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Guest 11-14-2015 07:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145459)
1. President Obama is the President. Inherent in that job is criticism, whether just or not. If you have been paying attention you might have noticed that, and frankly if you were paying attention to the Bush haters, it does not go away when you leave office.

2. Again, I know you hate everyone who is a Republican and anything related to the party, but things are not going so well. In the last 8 years, the average income has gone down; we are on the cusp of ACA going into effect, and with it a larger debt, more unemployment, and despite the impetus for ACA, health care costs are on the rise; terrorism, despite our being told otherwise is on the rise and not waning; we have had, and it seems will have more rioting in the streets; Republicans have all come forward as candidates with a tax plan, while the other party ignores that discussion; the President on immigration failed to keep his promise going in despite having both houses, and even failed to uphold US law at the borders to the south...his only immigration act was ruled unconstitutional because he bypassed those who make laws and he even supports protecting those who entered the country illegally by endorsing sanctuary cities.

To your point however, he has characterized the Republicans as terrorists, dummies, and a few other choice words, while in addition to ACA not even reaching. A 50% approval, he forced us into a treaty without support that will fuel the coffers of the terrorists; his actions have totally destroyed Libya, and put in great danger Israel. I was reminded yesterday how the French government wanted to get involved in Syria years ago when they were gassing children and guess who single handily stopped them....President Obama, after publicly drawing a red line. France will pay for that.

So you see, things are not going so well. He is the President and as one President said..the buck stops here.

I could go on, but no reason...you hate Republicans and feel all the above things were their fault, and that Obama has made zero errors..

Listen to the debate tonight and lisrpten as the "level playing field" is used over and over..,the free college, and on and on.

Listen and see if you hear helping business create jobs..nope all our problems are there.

When you run for President. Be careful...you might get elected.

I suggest to you, despite your condescending tone that I have a great sense of reality...I can see the problems because I wear no blinders supplied by either party.

Why you feel so much smarter...so much wiser than everyone amazes me, because you alone have twisted history to fit your needs so often it is not even remotely funny. You are not smarter than anyone else, you are not wiser, you do not have a better grip on reality than us poor dumb Republicans.

And the Republican Party is not the root of all evil despite what is in your head.

You float these hate posts about all things Republican when the candidate of the other party continues on her merry way. I can only assume from your disgust and hate for Republicans, that you support her yet never post why you support her.

You certainly, no matter your rhetoric, cannot support ANY Republican because after your words that would sure make you look foolish.

Only thing I can agree with is that ALL presidents get too much blame and too much credit. You folks who continually call everyone by a party label are the ones who have no grip on reality.

If you think that I hate Republicans, you don't know squat. Is this the way you try to justify your comments by making everyone that doesn't agree with you 100% the enemy? The real world doesn't work that way. This board isn't the real world. So, you think that you can get away with it.

"W" didn't receive anywhere near the amount of criticism during his presidency that Obama is receiving. "W" didn't have to deal with a great recession right out of the blocks. If you want to compare one president to another, it is a waste of time. The conditions each president has to deal with aren't the same. So, they aren't dealing on a level playing field.

You lost me with the comment that the ACA is going to cause unemployment. It is not a given that companies that employ around 50 employees with layoff people to stay under the 50, so they will not have to provide health insurance for their employees. The number of companies that will be affected by the 50 employee is very small. If you haven't noticed health insurance companies have been raising their rates above the rate of inflation for the past 35+ years. What we use to receive from our employers also aren't offer in normal companies anymore. They are too expensive. They are Cadillac plans. I dealt with health insurance companies for 35+ years once a year on renewal date, and hated every minute of it. If you think that insurance rates weren't going to rise with or without ACA, you are dreaming.

Have you looked at the Republican tax plans. They all have been vetted, and all of them are going to add 2+ trillion dollars to the debt over a ten year period. They are all based on a false assumption. If you decrease taxes, the economy will do better, because people have more money to spend. The trickle down nonsense. Has that ever worked? The majority of the tax cuts are going to people that don't need them. They are going to invest money. A good portion of it will probably be in overseas companies, that is where the growth is, and the money will stay in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. Do I know this for a fact? No, but how many trillion of dollars are sitting in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. So, it is a good bet that that will be the case.

I support Hillary. Where in the name of God's creation did you get that idea? Never once did I say that I support any of the Democrats running for president. I am going to vote in the primaries for John Kasich. If you don't believe that, that is your problem, and not mine. Speaking of John Kasich, why hasn't anyone here ever said what their objection to Kasich is? Is he to reasonable a person for you?

Am are smarter than people here? That may not be the case, but I can guarantee you that I am a lot more reasonable. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% of the time is a liberal/socialist/communist. That is total nonsense.

What was the Republicans response to Obama's Syria policy three plus years ago, when Obama drew the red line? They didn't have one. They wanted Obama to come to them to approve any act of war against another country. He did that, and they didn't do a damn thing. They didn't want to put their approval on anything that had to do with Syria, so they could complain later. Syria was a no win situation from day one. What is the Republican's policy toward Syria right now? The middle east is a total disaster, and both parties are to blame. Most of the blame should go to the Muslim's in the middle east. They all hate each other.

Obama's executive action on immigration will be decided at the Supreme Court. The ruling against him were in federal courts in Republican control states with the majority of the judges being Republicans. That is why the 26 states challenging the executive action was filed in Texas, and Louisiana.

How did we get to the situation where now everything is based upon political affiliation? How can that be good?

Guest 11-14-2015 07:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145577)
If you think that I hate Republicans, you don't know squat. Is this the way you try to justify your comments by making everyone that doesn't agree with you 100% the enemy? The real world doesn't work that way. This board isn't the real world. So, you think that you can get away with it.

"W" didn't receive anywhere near the amount of criticism during his presidency that Obama is receiving. "W" didn't have to deal with a great recession right out of the blocks. If you want to compare one president to another, it is a waste of time. The conditions each president has to deal with aren't the same. So, they aren't dealing on a level playing field.

You lost me with the comment that the ACA is going to cause unemployment. It is not a given that companies that employ around 50 employees with layoff people to stay under the 50, so they will not have to provide health insurance for their employees. The number of companies that will be affected by the 50 employee is very small. If you haven't noticed health insurance companies have been raising their rates above the rate of inflation for the past 35+ years. What we use to receive from our employers also aren't offer in normal companies anymore. They are too expensive. They are Cadillac plans. I dealt with health insurance companies for 35+ years once a year on renewal date, and hated every minute of it. If you think that insurance rates weren't going to rise with or without ACA, you are dreaming.

Have you looked at the Republican tax plans. They all have been vetted, and all of them are going to add 2+ trillion dollars to the debt over a ten year period. They are all based on a false assumption. If you decrease taxes, the economy will do better, because people have more money to spend. The trickle down nonsense. Has that ever worked? The majority of the tax cuts are going to people that don't need them. They are going to invest money. A good portion of it will probably be in overseas companies, that is where the growth is, and the money will stay in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. Do I know this for a fact? No, but how many trillion of dollars are sitting in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. So, it is a good bet that that will be the case.

I support Hillary. Where in the name of God's creation did you get that idea? Never once did I say that I support any of the Democrats running for president. I am going to vote in the primaries for John Kasich. If you don't believe that, that is your problem, and not mine. Speaking of John Kasich, why hasn't anyone here ever said what their objection to Kasich is? Is he to reasonable a person for you?

Am are smarter than people here? That may not be the case, but I can guarantee you that I am a lot more reasonable. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% of the time is a liberal/socialist/communist. That is total nonsense.

What was the Republicans response to Obama's Syria policy three plus years ago, when Obama drew the red line? They didn't have one. They wanted Obama to come to them to approve any act of war against another country. He did that, and they didn't do a damn thing. They didn't want to put their approval on anything that had to do with Syria, so they could complain later. Syria was a no win situation from day one. What is the Republican's policy toward Syria right now? The middle east is a total disaster, and both parties are to blame. Most of the blame should go to the Muslim's in the middle east. They all hate each other.

Obama's executive action on immigration will be decided at the Supreme Court. The ruling against him were in federal courts in Republican control states with the majority of the judges being Republicans. That is why the 26 states challenging the executive action was filed in Texas, and Louisiana.

How did we get to the situation where now everything is based upon political affiliation? How can that be good?

:thumbup:

Guest 11-14-2015 07:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145577)
If you think that I hate Republicans, you don't know squat. Is this the way you try to justify your comments by making everyone that doesn't agree with you 100% the enemy? The real world doesn't work that way. This board isn't the real world. So, you think that you can get away with it.

"W" didn't receive anywhere near the amount of criticism during his presidency that Obama is receiving. "W" didn't have to deal with a great recession right out of the blocks. If you want to compare one president to another, it is a waste of time. The conditions each president has to deal with aren't the same. So, they aren't dealing on a level playing field.

You lost me with the comment that the ACA is going to cause unemployment. It is not a given that companies that employ around 50 employees with layoff people to stay under the 50, so they will not have to provide health insurance for their employees. The number of companies that will be affected by the 50 employee is very small. If you haven't noticed health insurance companies have been raising their rates above the rate of inflation for the past 35+ years. What we use to receive from our employers also aren't offer in normal companies anymore. They are too expensive. They are Cadillac plans. I dealt with health insurance companies for 35+ years once a year on renewal date, and hated every minute of it. If you think that insurance rates weren't going to rise with or without ACA, you are dreaming.

Have you looked at the Republican tax plans. They all have been vetted, and all of them are going to add 2+ trillion dollars to the debt over a ten year period. They are all based on a false assumption. If you decrease taxes, the economy will do better, because people have more money to spend. The trickle down nonsense. Has that ever worked? The majority of the tax cuts are going to people that don't need them. They are going to invest money. A good portion of it will probably be in overseas companies, that is where the growth is, and the money will stay in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. Do I know this for a fact? No, but how many trillion of dollars are sitting in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. So, it is a good bet that that will be the case.

I support Hillary. Where in the name of God's creation did you get that idea? Never once did I say that I support any of the Democrats running for president. I am going to vote in the primaries for John Kasich. If you don't believe that, that is your problem, and not mine. Speaking of John Kasich, why hasn't anyone here ever said what their objection to Kasich is? Is he to reasonable a person for you?

Am are smarter than people here? That may not be the case, but I can guarantee you that I am a lot more reasonable. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% of the time is a liberal/socialist/communist. That is total nonsense.

What was the Republicans response to Obama's Syria policy three plus years ago, when Obama drew the red line? They didn't have one. They wanted Obama to come to them to approve any act of war against another country. He did that, and they didn't do a damn thing. They didn't want to put their approval on anything that had to do with Syria, so they could complain later. Syria was a no win situation from day one. What is the Republican's policy toward Syria right now? The middle east is a total disaster, and both parties are to blame. Most of the blame should go to the Muslim's in the middle east. They all hate each other.

Obama's executive action on immigration will be decided at the Supreme Court. The ruling against him were in federal courts in Republican control states with the majority of the judges being Republicans. That is why the 26 states challenging the executive action was filed in Texas, and Louisiana.

How did we get to the situation where now everything is based upon political affiliation? How can that be good?

You pretty much do nothing but bash Republicans YET you say you support a Republican in the primaries !!

You pretty much do nothing but bash Republicans YET you say it is not good that everything is based on political affliation.

I just want to say this to you.

Almost 100% of your long posts are a rehash of things where you support Obama. Fine, you have that right. Most prefer to talk about current events and yes the President gets bashed. He is the President...he makes the calls...that is life I am afraid.

Would prefer if you spent more time discussing up to date issues, like...

.....the terrorist attack in France
.....the ISIS threat to the world and our country
.....the influx of Syrian refugees
.....the debate on the decline in wages in the US
.....various tax plans put forth by the candidates


Many more but try to do it without right out of the gate, saying how stupid Republicans are and how everything is their fault. If you feel that way I suggest you move on somewhere else.

Also, President Obama is the President. Anyone who is unhappy with the world or our country will criticize the President. He is a big boy and does not need your defense by saying the Republicans made him do it.

Talk to the issue, give your reasons why you are for or against, etc. Yep, you will hear criticisms of the President and if you can or want to defend him, fine but do it with HONEST history that is really relevant.

Your posts get tiring as they pretty much are all the very very same thing over and over and over. Whatever is wrong was and is the fault of the Republicans.

Will use one example and the rest is up to you. I mentioned to you once before that all the tax proposals are talk for the campaign. Even your idol, President Obama did that...ie., made promises in the primary he knew would never happen. If you have not been around politics to know not to over state campaign promises in a primary, you surely should not be on here.

Those tax proposals being made, I hope you know, cannot be done by any one President...you do know that, right ? They are responding to the media and they are all fair game but you take them as gospel. Heck Sanders has none and Clinton's has changed two or three times THIS YEAR.

Guest 11-14-2015 07:52 PM

Ah, yes -

The TOTV Political forum IS the real America. Nope, guess again. This is a reactionary wing about 5 or 6 of fruit cakes that get their jollies by putting down those who remember how to think.

Well, have your caregiver put on a clean Depends on you and learn how Hillary will be your next President on the debate tonight

:1rotfl:

Guest 11-14-2015 07:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145598)
Ah, yes -

The TOTV Political forum IS the real America. Nope, guess again. This is a reactionary wing about 5 or 6 of fruit cakes that get their jollies by putting down those who remember how to think.

Well, have your caregiver put on a clean Depends on you and learn how Hillary will be your next President on the debate tonight

:1rotfl:

The intelligence quotient in here is overwhelming as illustrated by another topical post.

Guest 11-15-2015 12:23 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145598)
Ah, yes -

The TOTV Political forum IS the real America. Nope, guess again. This is a reactionary wing about 5 or 6 of fruit cakes that get their jollies by putting down those who remember how to think.

Well, have your caregiver put on a clean Depends on you and learn how Hillary will be your next President on the debate tonight

:1rotfl:

Never tire of being the perfect * * * hole!

Guest 11-15-2015 04:53 AM

Ah, yes -

The TOTV Political forum IS the real America. Nope, guess again. This is a reactionary wing about 5 or 6 of fruit cakes that get their jollies by putting down those who remember how to think.

Well, have your caregiver put on a clean Depends on you and learn how Hillary will be your next President on the debate tonight

I apologize for another stupid post. Just ignore me, as being a liberal is on the ignorance scale of about a snail.

Guest 11-15-2015 09:10 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145706)
Ah, yes -

The TOTV Political forum IS the real America. Nope, guess again. This is a reactionary wing about 5 or 6 of fruit cakes that get their jollies by putting down those who remember how to think.

Well, have your caregiver put on a clean Depends on you and learn how Hillary will be your next President on the debate tonight

I apologize for another stupid post. Just ignore me, as being a liberal is on the ignorance scale of about a snail.

Please look in the mirror and observe the only person who thinks the ongoing diaharetic catharsis is the least bit funny.

Guest 11-15-2015 09:33 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145594)
You pretty much do nothing but bash Republicans YET you say you support a Republican in the primaries !!

You pretty much do nothing but bash Republicans YET you say it is not good that everything is based on political affliation.

I just want to say this to you.

Almost 100% of your long posts are a rehash of things where you support Obama. Fine, you have that right. Most prefer to talk about current events and yes the President gets bashed. He is the President...he makes the calls...that is life I am afraid.

Would prefer if you spent more time discussing up to date issues, like...

.....the terrorist attack in France
.....the ISIS threat to the world and our country
.....the influx of Syrian refugees
.....the debate on the decline in wages in the US
.....various tax plans put forth by the candidates


Many more but try to do it without right out of the gate, saying how stupid Republicans are and how everything is their fault. If you feel that way I suggest you move on somewhere else.

Also, President Obama is the President. Anyone who is unhappy with the world or our country will criticize the President. He is a big boy and does not need your defense by saying the Republicans made him do it.

Talk to the issue, give your reasons why you are for or against, etc. Yep, you will hear criticisms of the President and if you can or want to defend him, fine but do it with HONEST history that is really relevant.

Your posts get tiring as they pretty much are all the very very same thing over and over and over. Whatever is wrong was and is the fault of the Republicans.

Will use one example and the rest is up to you. I mentioned to you once before that all the tax proposals are talk for the campaign. Even your idol, President Obama did that...ie., made promises in the primary he knew would never happen. If you have not been around politics to know not to over state campaign promises in a primary, you surely should not be on here.

Those tax proposals being made, I hope you know, cannot be done by any one President...you do know that, right ? They are responding to the media and they are all fair game but you take them as gospel. Heck Sanders has none and Clinton's has changed two or three times THIS YEAR.

Why don't you start talking to the Republicans on this board about threads that they start and the tone that they use? You can start with the thread on the attack in France. If you do, you will get the same tag that I have received, a liberal Democrat. Where do you get the impression that these people want a serious discussion? If they do, it is very well hidden. Name calling here is the name of the game.

You put forward five things that should be discussed here. Why don't you start a thread on any one of them, and see how quick it dies?

You must think that I have a very short memory. This is a comment that you made about tax plans, "Republicans have all put forward tax plans, while the other party ignores the discussion." This gives the impression that they are serious about tax reform.

Above you give the impression that tax plans are just meaningless talk given during political campaign that don't have a chance to be implemented. Shouldn't the Democrat candidates be praised for not starting meaningless talk on tax reform? It seems that you are trying to have it both ways.

I defend Obama. I will accept that. Now, you tell me one good thing that any Republican has said about Obama. When all you do is criticize someone for everything that he does all the time, if someone doesn't agree with you, they can either shut up, or try to bring you back to some semblance of reality. Maybe the attacks on Obama all the time are tiring!

Guest 11-15-2015 09:49 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145813)
Why don't you start talking to the Republicans on this board about threads that they start and the tone that they use? You can start with the thread on the attack in France. If you do, you will get the same tag that I have received, a liberal Democrat. Where do you get the impression that these people want a serious discussion? If they do, it is very well hidden. Name calling here is the name of the game.

You put forward five things that should be discussed here. Why don't you start a thread on any one of them, and see how quick it dies?

You must think that I have a very short memory. This is a comment that you made about tax plans, "Republicans have all put forward tax plans, while the other party ignores the discussion." This gives the impression that they are serious about tax reform.

Above you give the impression that tax plans are just meaningless talk given during political campaign that don't have a chance to be implemented. Shouldn't the Democrat candidates be praised for not starting meaningless talk on tax reform? It seems that you are trying to have it both ways.

I defend Obama. I will accept that. Now, you tell me one good thing that any Republican has said about Obama. When all you do is criticize someone for everything that he does all the time, if someone doesn't agree with you, they can either shut up, or try to bring you back to some semblance of reality. Maybe the attacks on Obama all the time are tiring!

1. Very very few liberal/democrats post on here who want to actually engage in conversation and discussion. Used to before the exact same people who brought down the original political forum continued their attacks on here.

2. The liberal/progressive/socialist group is represented on here by uninformed, immature, smart a$$ posters. If it were not that way, you would find people, myself included upset with non factual attacks on anyone, but as it is, that is who represents that side and the other intelligent folks from that side choose not to post. AND KEEP IN MIND they used to post back on the original forum and they are still here, but unlike stupid me, they got smart and just left. Lots of smart, quick, informed liberals in The Villages. The have great thoughts, are not simply Democrats, and never use the revisionist history put out on the internet.

Guest 11-15-2015 09:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145813)
Why don't you start talking to the Republicans on this board about threads that they start and the tone that they use? You can start with the thread on the attack in France. If you do, you will get the same tag that I have received, a liberal Democrat. Where do you get the impression that these people want a serious discussion? If they do, it is very well hidden. Name calling here is the name of the game.

You put forward five things that should be discussed here. Why don't you start a thread on any one of them, and see how quick it dies?

You must think that I have a very short memory. This is a comment that you made about tax plans, "Republicans have all put forward tax plans, while the other party ignores the discussion." This gives the impression that they are serious about tax reform.

Above you give the impression that tax plans are just meaningless talk given during political campaign that don't have a chance to be implemented. Shouldn't the Democrat candidates be praised for not starting meaningless talk on tax reform? It seems that you are trying to have it both ways.

I defend Obama. I will accept that. Now, you tell me one good thing that any Republican has said about Obama. When all you do is criticize someone for everything that he does all the time, if someone doesn't agree with you, they can either shut up, or try to bring you back to some semblance of reality. Maybe the attacks on Obama all the time are tiring!

They most certainly are. And one would think at some point in time he would either do something presidential that does not benefit just him or his agenda

OR

stop doing all the stupid, non value added, race baiting and muslim protector things he does every single day and sometimes more often.....providing ample opportunity for criticism.

When some of you supporters have a minute instead of changing the subject or creating new names to call others....enlighten us as to why you think he is worthy of your support. And him being a democrat is not acceptable (hopefully this does not stop some cold!).

Guest 11-15-2015 09:52 AM

I might add that anytime an issue driven thread is begun on here, execpt for the smart a$$ comments from the left, they are SILENT AND UNHEARD on the issue. They only posts you read from them about current issues is a rehash of G W Bush.

Guest 11-15-2015 10:06 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145831)
I might add that anytime an issue driven thread is begun on here, execpt for the smart a$$ comments from the left, they are SILENT AND UNHEARD on the issue. They only posts you read from them about current issues is a rehash of G W Bush.

Look back at the OP. It stated that the Pres. of France closed all borders immediately after the Paris attacks. Okay, that was fact and was the issue.

The OP then began to rant about what he BELIEVED that Pres. Obama would do in the US. All posters after that just continued on with the ranting.

You want to talk about the facts, great - do it. However, don't speculate on what you think the President you despise would do.

The only posts from conservatives on this thread have been bashing ones and did not lend any credence to what France's president did - which was the proper thing to do.

Guest 11-15-2015 10:13 AM

Some of us use as the basis for comments are what Obama says or does. After 7 years of observed behavior there are no surprises from this POTUS.

He has been consistent from day one. It is all about him. It is all about racism and rekindling it in America. It is all about not acknowledging the muslim influence of bad things happening in the world. It is always about not taking a position on anything, even when confronted with an overwhelming opposition by those of us he claims to support and protect. He does not follow through on anything he says. And he lies.

So there are no surprises ever. And he deserves what he gets.

Tell us why you are such a strong supporter of Obama and we already know the first one....he is a democrat.

Guest 11-15-2015 11:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145838)
Look back at the OP. It stated that the Pres. of France closed all borders immediately after the Paris attacks. Okay, that was fact and was the issue.

The OP then began to rant about what he BELIEVED that Pres. Obama would do in the US. All posters after that just continued on with the ranting.

You want to talk about the facts, great - do it. However, don't speculate on what you think the President you despise would do.

The only posts from conservatives on this thread have been bashing ones and did not lend any credence to what France's president did - which was the proper thing to do.

With all due respect, you are incorrect. The OP was not an announcement of the news but a criticism of President Obama and what he might have done.

WHAT I will disagree also with is that the following posts were all that. If you look at Post 5, where the name of GW Bush was evoked INCORRECTLY I might add. Look at post 20, which really opened the door. In Post 20, the poster outlined HIS agenda for all Republicans on this board. He then refered to all Republicans as having nothing but empty words.

That was replied to and in POST 26, all Repubicans were referred to as LOSERS.

Listen, I said it in an earlier post, I would join anyone in criticizing those on the conservative side for blaming Obama without facts, but I can tell you and ask you to please check almost 100%...maybe 98% of posts made by liberals are NOT a defense of the current President on any level except to attack the poster who criticized (NEVER a link....NEVER a fact unless it has to do with GW Bush)

Never do we see a defense of his foreign policy, or his economic policy, or his manner of speaking and demeaning his opponents. We get posters who simply say nobody should be criticizing the President. If there were discussions, that is one thing, but please read the thread and count the one liners...the smart a@@ cracks.

Actually, I have been criticized for a number of things...which amazes me. I supposedly have no touch with reality....I supposedly use too many links and cut and paste from those links (seems that they are exact opposites unless reading and staying informed somehow dismisses me from reality)

Look.....President Obama is the President. If his policies do not work, guess what...he will be criticized. In what world of reality does ANY President get a free pass for what he does or says ?


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