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Guest 05-20-2012 02:00 PM

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Isn't it interesting and somewhat curious that not one pro-choice advocate on this thread has mentioned "personal responsibility vis a vis personal rights. This absence of personal responsibility delinates the liberal agenda of I want and so I am so entitled but without sacriface, without acting out in a personal responsible manner. Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.. Liberals now chime in with your distractions instead of addressing the issue of personal responsibility. Remember what we sow is what we reap:boom: Like the guy on TV says that's me dropping knowledge on you:MOJE_whot:

Of course everyone should assume "personal responsibility vis a vis person rights", but most republicans want to ban both birth control AND abortion. Do republicans want to be known as the war on sex party, as well as the war on women and the war on same sex couples party?

In order for women to assume personal responsibility for their reproductive rights, which some republicans deny them, they need to have those tools, ie birth control pills, at their disposal. Not every family today can afford to have a dozen kids to raise.


Read all about the campaign against women.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/20/op...&smid=tw-share

Guest 05-20-2012 02:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 495026)
"Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.."

All people who use food stamps are purchasing $41 ice-cream cakes? Of course not and that is not what you meant. Just a very poor example you gave.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

buggyone: The reality is that many vendors understand that there is gold in them dare food stamps and so a liquidity market was created so that food stamp receipients can cash them in to buy booze and cigarettes. The abuse in government programs are predictable because pols start up programs never settin g up proper monitoring programs and move on to starting up more transfer programs. I truly wish the $41 ic cream cake was an exception. Fighting fraud is a full time job but alas our pols have short attention spans

Guest 05-20-2012 03:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 495045)
buggyone: The reality is that many vendors understand that there is gold in them dare food stamps and so a liquidity market was created so that food stamp receipients can cash them in to buy booze and cigarettes. The abuse in government programs are predictable because pols start up programs never settin g up proper monitoring programs and move on to starting up more transfer programs. I truly wish the $41 ic cream cake was an exception. Fighting fraud is a full time job but alas our pols have short attention spans

Your posting had absolutely no relevance to the topic of the thread.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

Guest 05-20-2012 09:27 PM

It's the States that make the laws
 
As President Obama noted, this is an issue for the states. The Federal Government, absent a Constitutional Amendment, has no voice in the matter. So why are all these peoples getting their panties in a wad worrying about where a candidate for national office stands on this issue?

Guest 05-20-2012 09:39 PM

ridiculous
 
it is ridiculous to continually assert that the republican party wishes to ban birth control...we wish to eliminate pills which cause abortions the morning after...we do not wish to be forced to pay for birth control for anyone, nor to pay ins premiums to pay for it for others. next they will want the govt to be paying for everyone's food! oh, yes, more and more of us are getting to that point, aren't we?

Guest 05-20-2012 11:13 PM

Do all Democrats support the killing of unborn babies? Are all those who value the life of all, all Republican?

I'm finding that a bit hard to process.

Guest 05-21-2012 05:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 495205)
Do all Democrats support the killing of unborn babies? Are all those who value the life of all, all Republican?

I'm finding that a bit hard to process.


Obviously, Republicans do not all favor the value of life. Look at George W. Bush who sent American troops to invade Iraq with his lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction and saying Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Over 4,400 American lives were lost and tens of thousands wounded and scarred emotionally and physically for life.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person

But back to ProChoice - if Catholics are such strong supporters of "ProLife", why is it that over 90 percent of Catholic women use birth control? According to the official site of the Catholic church, birth control of any kind is wrong. Obviously, they do not practice what is preached.

Guest 05-21-2012 06:02 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 495205)
Do all Democrats support the killing of unborn babies? Are all those who value the life of all, all Republican?

I'm finding that a bit hard to process.

So do I.:(

Guest 05-21-2012 08:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 495235)
Obviously, Republicans do not all favor the value of life. Look at George W. Bush who sent American troops to invade Iraq with his lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction and saying Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Over 4,400 American lives were lost and tens of thousands wounded and scarred emotionally and physically for life.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person

But back to ProChoice - if Catholics are such strong supporters of "ProLife", why is it that over 90 percent of Catholic women use birth control? According to the official site of the Catholic church, birth control of any kind is wrong. Obviously, they do not practice what is preached.

I only asked about political party views because all the pro-life and pro-abortion stances on this forum seem to be falling along political partisan lines.

"Pro-life" analogies to war is bogus. Ask about FDR in the same equation. Ask about George Washington. Ask about Abraham Lincoln. Your "brilliant" thought is profoundly............NOT.

"Birth control", is against the teachings of the Catholic Church, but it is not abortion and therefore is irrelevant to this discussion. Birth control prevents the formation of a human being, but it isn't the murder of one.

Guest 05-21-2012 10:32 AM

Birth Control: Protecting the "Dreams of Our Daughters" | RH Reality Check

This is basically an ad for Obama's re-election but is does make birth control an issue in this year's election.


Robert Creamer: Why the War on Birth Control Is a Political Disaster for the GOP

The article above does go into why birth control and the Republicans' stance on it is important.

Guest 05-21-2012 12:09 PM

"I only asked about political party views because all the pro-life and pro-abortion stances on this forum seem to be falling along political partisan lines."

Very interesting about the pro-life and pro-choice stances. While it does seem that most pro-life are Republicans, that most Catholics vote Democrat. I have known some very staunch pro-life friends who never would vote anything but Democrat based on the social issues of the party vs those of the Republicans. Therefore, my question at the top of the thread is answered that a Pro-Choice Republican does have a chance of winning the Presidency.

Obviously, not all Catholics vote Democrat just as all Methodists vote Republican.

Guest 05-21-2012 02:54 PM

Catholics who vote for pro-abortion candidates have their own consciences to rassle.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You cannot consider yourself a good and observant Christian and support the killing of innocent unborn babies, under any circumstance.

It makes you the worst kind of hypocrite to deny the soul of that developing human being.

Guest 05-22-2012 06:47 AM

Bit of a fascinating history of abortion with regards to the position the Catholic Church has had on it since it's inception here:

Catholics for Choice | The History of Abortion


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