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Guest 05-19-2012 06:45 PM

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So why have the republicans made it a priority to get rid of birth control? Mitt Romney told Mike Huckabee on his TV show that he was in favor of a personhood amendment, which would in fact outlaw most birth control and outlaw invitro-fertilization.

Priority? Come on now. I think the Republican priority is the economy.

Guest 05-19-2012 07:38 PM

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Hi buggyone: First a group of white guys made Roe v Wade the law of the land and since that time some 54 million abortions have taken place according to American Family Association.

Secondly let's take the issue of pro choice down to its most common use. A woman says Geeezzz, pregnant again. Oh well I'll exercise my pro choice rights and go to Planned Parenthood again and get rid of the little bugger free of charge . Because that's how you get to 54 million abortions so quickly. Buggyone this nation cannot have a serious discussion on this issue until we acknowledge that it is being abused by many. Its present application is simply too absolute and given the seriousness of this decision it merits many considerations including the fact that if you are not prepared for children then perhaps a woman needs to make some adjustments for no other reason than for her sake. There are some difficult situations such as a woman's health being placed in jepodary or a child who will be born with a disability that merit serious and deep discussion

Thirdly "choice" is juxtapostion in the case of abortion women should utilize their choices wisely to avoid getting pregnant. God knows sciene has made some impressive advances in birth control methods. I mean wasn't that what the feminist movement was all about??????? Repeated and unwanted pregnancies philosophically equates to some sort of subordinated position by females which negates it all

I opine you decide.

Personal Best Regards:

It is the law of the land for right now - and hopefully will stay that way. Republicans want to overturn Roe v Wade and it would only take an Executive Order (I believe) to do so.

Women have the right to their own bodies without morality being legislated to control it.

I would hate to see abortions being outlawed like they were before the late 1960's. Birth control is the best possible idea but a woman still has the personal choice of what to do with her own body.

Guest 05-19-2012 07:46 PM

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It is the law of the land for right now - and hopefully will stay that way. Republicans want to overturn Roe v Wade and it would only take an Executive Order (I believe) to do so.

Women have the right to their own bodies without morality being legislated to control it.

I would hate to see abortions being outlawed like they were before the late 1960's. Birth control is the best possible idea but a woman still has the personal choice of what to do with her own body.

I don't believe an executive order can overturn a Supreme Court decision. If it could you might as well disband the highest court in the land and proclaim the President as Emperor.

Someday though, may babies will have rights also. Maybe a baby's human soul will be recognized. Even maybe, evil will be seen for what it is.

Guest 05-20-2012 07:56 AM

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I don't believe an executive order can overturn a Supreme Court decision. If it could you might as well disband the highest court in the land and proclaim the President as Emperor.

Someday though, may babies will have rights also. Maybe a baby's human soul will be recognized. Even maybe, evil will be seen for what it is.

It's called the personhood amendment which Mitt Romney favors. He's even to the right of Mississippi voters, who voted this down, and the Oklahoma legislature which likewise voted it down. It would in effect ban most birth control and in-vitro fertilization.

It's hard to comprehend how republicans can be against abortion and birth control. Birth control lowers the abortion rate. Secretary Sebelius has done more for lowering the abortion rate than anyone by inserting the free contraceptions into the Affordable Care Act.

Guest 05-20-2012 08:01 AM

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So why have the republicans made it a priority to get rid of birth control? Mitt Romney told Mike Huckabee on his TV show that he was in favor of a personhood amendment, which would in fact outlaw most birth control and outlaw invitro-fertilization.

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Priority? Come on now. I think the Republican priority is the economy.

I said "a priority" not their number one priority. Did you sleep through the whole republican primary when Santorum said birth control should be banished? Do you remember the Sandra Fluke incident? The list goes on and on.

Guest 05-20-2012 08:04 AM

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I don't believe an executive order can overturn a Supreme Court decision. If it could you might as well disband the highest court in the land and proclaim the President as Emperor.

Someday though, may babies will have rights also. Maybe a baby's human soul will be recognized. Even maybe, evil will be seen for what it is.

The Supreme Court of the US can nullify an Executive Order. There was an attempt to do this against the Executive Order (9066) for Japanese-American Internment Camps in WWII.
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Guest 05-20-2012 08:35 AM

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I said "a priority" not their number one priority. Did you sleep through the whole republican primary when Santorum said birth control should be banished? Do you remember the Sandra Fluke incident? The list goes on and on.

No I was wide awake and stated on this forum that I didn't like Mr. Santorum.

Guest 05-20-2012 09:26 AM

Isn't it interesting and somewhat curious that not one pro-choice advocate on this thread has mentioned "personal responsibility vis a vis personal rights. This absence of personal responsibility delinates the liberal agenda of I want and so I am so entitled but without sacriface, without acting out in a personal responsible manner. Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.. Liberals now chime in with your distractions instead of addressing the issue of personal responsibility. Remember what we sow is what we reap:boom: Like the guy on TV says that's me dropping knowledge on you:MOJE_whot:

Guest 05-20-2012 09:32 AM

it would do well for some when characterizing groups for example on abortion and stating SOME republicans instead of the partisan preferred broad brush...Republicans....people just don't seem to be able to NOT generalize when they make a statement...... minority entities flourish with generalizations.

btk

Guest 05-20-2012 01:46 PM

"Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.."

All people who use food stamps are purchasing $41 ice-cream cakes? Of course not and that is not what you meant. Just a very poor example you gave.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

Guest 05-20-2012 02:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 494932)
Isn't it interesting and somewhat curious that not one pro-choice advocate on this thread has mentioned "personal responsibility vis a vis personal rights. This absence of personal responsibility delinates the liberal agenda of I want and so I am so entitled but without sacriface, without acting out in a personal responsible manner. Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.. Liberals now chime in with your distractions instead of addressing the issue of personal responsibility. Remember what we sow is what we reap:boom: Like the guy on TV says that's me dropping knowledge on you:MOJE_whot:

Of course everyone should assume "personal responsibility vis a vis person rights", but most republicans want to ban both birth control AND abortion. Do republicans want to be known as the war on sex party, as well as the war on women and the war on same sex couples party?

In order for women to assume personal responsibility for their reproductive rights, which some republicans deny them, they need to have those tools, ie birth control pills, at their disposal. Not every family today can afford to have a dozen kids to raise.


Read all about the campaign against women.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/20/op...&smid=tw-share

Guest 05-20-2012 02:20 PM

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"Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.."

All people who use food stamps are purchasing $41 ice-cream cakes? Of course not and that is not what you meant. Just a very poor example you gave.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

buggyone: The reality is that many vendors understand that there is gold in them dare food stamps and so a liquidity market was created so that food stamp receipients can cash them in to buy booze and cigarettes. The abuse in government programs are predictable because pols start up programs never settin g up proper monitoring programs and move on to starting up more transfer programs. I truly wish the $41 ic cream cake was an exception. Fighting fraud is a full time job but alas our pols have short attention spans

Guest 05-20-2012 03:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 495045)
buggyone: The reality is that many vendors understand that there is gold in them dare food stamps and so a liquidity market was created so that food stamp receipients can cash them in to buy booze and cigarettes. The abuse in government programs are predictable because pols start up programs never settin g up proper monitoring programs and move on to starting up more transfer programs. I truly wish the $41 ic cream cake was an exception. Fighting fraud is a full time job but alas our pols have short attention spans

Your posting had absolutely no relevance to the topic of the thread.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

Guest 05-20-2012 09:27 PM

It's the States that make the laws
 
As President Obama noted, this is an issue for the states. The Federal Government, absent a Constitutional Amendment, has no voice in the matter. So why are all these peoples getting their panties in a wad worrying about where a candidate for national office stands on this issue?

Guest 05-20-2012 09:39 PM

ridiculous
 
it is ridiculous to continually assert that the republican party wishes to ban birth control...we wish to eliminate pills which cause abortions the morning after...we do not wish to be forced to pay for birth control for anyone, nor to pay ins premiums to pay for it for others. next they will want the govt to be paying for everyone's food! oh, yes, more and more of us are getting to that point, aren't we?


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