AGAIN, because you are not understanding !!

The issue now has become not where he was born but WHY he keeps telling people different things.

FACT...he has lied in his autobiography
FACT...he "obviously" notwithstanding any other info has lied to literary agents and the AP
FACT...he offered Rev Wright $150000.00 to shut up
FACT...he lied about his mother;s insurance coverage more than once (validated by the Washington Post)
FACT...he lied about substantative issues regarding the country (Health ins, for example)

Then we find out that he actually "modified"...not changing facts but adding HIS FACTS, which in the case of Reagan were NOT TRUE.

Now, Buggy, you know I have never ever participated in any discussion on the birth issue in the forum going way back to 2007...EVER.

But the streaming amount of lies from this man, if not for you, for me is so disconcerting from a President of the US.

And to your remark.....I know because you announced it here that you have been away but you might want to check the change in polls just since you left.

According to Gallup polls, 56% of American voters believe that Pres. Obama is going to win re-election.
Americans See Obama as Solid Favorite to Win Election

If you want to talk about lies, Marco Rubio used to say his parents came to America as refugees fleeing from Castro. Reality was they arrived in 1956. Rubio's official website was closed for a few days while that was being corrected - after it was made public.

No, I have no problem with what Pres. Obama has said about himself, his mother, etc. Those are insignificant.

However, the LIES told by George W. Bush took the country into Iraq and cost the US over 4,400 American lives. At least we do not have to contend with LIES like that any longer.

Have a nice day. Play some golf, listen to some music, read a good book or something enjoyable.

1, This thread is about the Presiden of the United States Barrack Obama.

This ploy of ignoring the President lying and trying to divert is getting old. If you are ok with all the lying, so be it....that does not bother you, but I surely would not ever have a friend who had this kind of record for lying and would fire anyone who I found lied this much about his background and then continued...he/she would be gone !

PLUS your link is what is making it more important than ever that we know the President lies about his background or whatever may serve his own purpose.

buggyone - welcome back! hope the trip was a good one. bet you'll be shouting at your computer in no time! :Screen_of_Death:

now about your post...i don't really have a stake in the birther issue - to me, the damage is done...but...those who question obama's birthsite do raise issues for me that are disconcerting. we all enhance ourselves in one way or another given the particular circumstances in which we find ourselves - on job resumes, at party introductions, interviews, locker room tales, etc - it is human nature. so it might be re the bookflap flap - where it might have been more convenient for the publishing house to hope to create an exotic persona of their client. but most of us are not running for political office, much less potus. and this potus [and his handlers] does nothing to make the issues surrounding his background transparent. the issues remain clouded in suspicion, inuendo, supposition, and evidence that does not support background information.

how is it that you have such confidence in the fact that obama was not born in kenya? i really would like to be able to believe as you do, but i cannot find the resources that enable me to do so. do you have any or am i to go on blind faith - which i don't believe can be done by a skeptic such as i am re this issue.

Not to interrupt but today you can view on line a copy of the Kenya newspaper from when he ran for office stating he is Kenya born. Just an awful lot of people made mistakes it seems Plus even later references in touting his autobiograhy showing born in Kenya

Have you figured out yet that people are not listening to you?

This thread may be about President Obama but there has already been plenty of documented and official proof that he is a natural born citizen of the USA. That issue has been put to bed.

However, some have said President Obama has lied on occasion. May be true. They were not important, though. No lives have been lost due to his lies, if there were any in the first place.

Personally, I believe that the lies told by George W. Bush were much more damaging. The US, based on his lies, invaded Iraq and cost the US over 4,400 American lives and trillions of dollars. This is NOT diversion. What would you rather see? A lie about a former girlfriend or a lie costing over 4,400 American lives and tens of thousands wounded and scarred for life in either mind or body?

So, he may have lied himself into the WH...no problem

So, he lied to us on health care and now the country has real genuine problem as a result...no problem

Your post is very telling

Yes, Affordable Health care is terrible. 30 million uninsured now get health care. Seniors with pre-existing conditions now get health care. Students can remain on parent's policy until 26 - terrible. Seniors get "donut hole" pharmacy benefits - terrible. Free preventive screenings for cancer - terrible.
Insurance companies cannot drop sick people from coverage - terrible.
Strengthens Medicare by stopping fraud, waste, and abuse - terrible (Rick Scott?)

How many Villagers are now benefitting from some of these features? I would guess quite a few. Have you ever known anyone who was dropped by a health insurer because they had some long term medical problem or could not get insurance?

Just A Point
 

Just a minor point, Bucco. I surely don't want to belabor a point that dosen't justify any more discussion. But just because a person is born outside the borders of the U.S. doesn't mean they're not a citizen. As an example, John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. either. His birth certificate shows his live birth in Panama.

I assume we are talking about the same health care bill...you know, the one before the supreme court...the one that doesn't even address health care costs as promised..the one that does not address tort reform as promised, the one that in the future promises to bankrupt the country...that the one ?

BUT this thread is not about the Health care bill......check the title

Just one more word on Health Care - ROMNEYCARE!!!

Okay, two more words on ROMNEYCARE - Mandatory Coverage!!!!

so what - i might think that obama is going to win - BUT - i sure am not gonna vote for him! maybe survey respondents thought that way, too? hmmmmm......

One word....STATE..ok...3 words...STATE NOT FEDERAL

After reviewing all of the posts on this thread essentially what the pro Obama people have said is "it ain't the truth", "it should be put to bed", "what about so and so". However, not one pro Obama poster could offer an explanation to explain the documentation surfacing or the inconsistencies surrounding Obama's birth place. "When you have eliminated the impossible Dr. Watson"

How can Mitt badmouth the same thing on a Federal level as he put in practice for his state of Taxachusetts?

Well, I am not going to say anymore on this thread. I am done with people who think President Obama is not a citizen of the USA.

I do understand Bucco's concern about the Affordable Health Care Act.

I do understand Bucco's concern about the possibility of some misspoken statements by the President but to me, they are not serious.

Serious lying is what George Bush did to get over 4,400 Americans killed in Iraq and tens of thousands more wounded and scarred for life both physically and mentally.

'Nuff said on this topic for me. I will not come back to this thread so a reply is not necessary.:spoken:

buggyone: People from Kenya lie a lot
:pepper2:

it is my understanding that John McCain was born outside of the United States proper but on the United States possession or property while his parents were on the business of the United States. This is a lot different than someone being born in a foreign country. Although his mother was a US citizen and she was not there on US business. A fine point I agree but I think there is a definite difference especially when you see the kind of deception that have been put forth by the President.

Just a thought

The Arizona Secretary of State threatens to remove President Obama from the November ballot without proper verification of birth certificate from Hawaii. Once AZ does this, then every other state will follow AZ's lead.

Republican's are just like a dog with a bone on this issue. They will not let it go. It could be time for Democrats to jump on a draft Hillary bandwagon. Think of the coup that would give the Clintons - Hillary jumping in to save the democratic party from her opponent, and Bill leading the democrats to victory against the party that impeached him.

Mitt Romney wouldn't know what hit him. It would be Bill and Hill against Romney, Bush and Cheney.


AZ Sect. Of State Threatens To Remove Obama From Ballot Without Birth Certificate Verification From Hawaii | Mediaite

That's an old argument that was debunked so many years ago (1999) that I'm frankly surprised that it's still being dredged up.

John McCain was born to U.S. service personnel in a U.S. military installation while they, at that time, were there the under order of the U.S. government.

It's been long decided that is tantamount to a U.S. birth.

Barack Hussein Obama seems to have just been born in Kenya, period.

I'm not talking about your post in this sentence, but I have to admit that the desperate ridiculing of those who want answers pertaining to these new documents and news stories indicating the foreign birth of the current occupant of the "people's house", and the relating of irrelevant stories, is very amusing to me.

When all the leftie loyalists can do is attack the messenger, I get more and more confident.

I don't care where Obama was born, his father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of this birth and in accordance with our United States Constitution he is not a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" but he could be a native born citizen. Google the difference and all those that did not vet this man should find themselves facing treason charges. The same applies for Rubio, his parents did not become naturalized citizens until 1975 and he was born in 1971, thus making Rubio a native born citizen and not a natural born citizen.

First, I started yesterday never thinking where he was born...as many posters have stated....it has been almost 4 years .

My problem is that we have a President who LIED his way into office and continues to lie....I find that stunningly shocking !

And yet folks continue to defend him....THAT speaks to the point you and Richie were making about how stupid the electorate is.

Karl Rove noted "Every moment that conservatives talk about this, they marginalize and diminish themselves in the minds of the independent voters".
And, I would add, unite the democratic base. Keep up the good work.


How Breitbart.com Became Part Of Liberal Conspiracy To Push The Birther "Distraction" | Media Matters for America

Here's the 14th Amendment section, stating that citizens are either "born in" or "naturalized in" the United States, with no mention of the parents' citizenship or not. A person is either one or the other, "born in" or "naturalized".

Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection
Amendment Text | Annotations

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...."


Marco Rubio was "born in" the U.S. He was not a foreign citizen who was "naturalized" into U.S. citizenship. His parents' status at the time of his birth is irrelevant.

If I were an Obama supporter I would want this issue to go away too. Man up Obama tell the truth, make an act of contrition. Go on a "Mother Teresa" journey starting global charity organizations around the world. Give motivational speeches in front of well columned buildings. Win another Noble Peace Prize

So you are also a big fan of Hillary Clinton replacing the president as the democratic candidate? The Clinton's are ruthless, and that is what is needed in this day and age. John Boehner is always talking about kicking the can down the road. Hillary would kick his can down the road. Plus the Clintons both have 70% favorability ratings.

The Obama apologists and sycophants don't want to talk about this issue because they have no defense to it. All they have are people's words and reportedly forged documents to support their belief. Obama's past has been carefully guarded...........up 'til now.

My good friend Buggy even says he won't come back to this thread. He had nothing to say anyway; all that's left is to ignore what's in front of his eyes and faithfully believe in "The One".

Sometimes this is really fun.

The party already clinched its iron fist shut, squeezing Hillary out. In its world of cowering to White Guilt pressures, black male trumps white female; black male also trumps white male once termed "Our First Black President". Blackness, or even imagined blackness, is where the power has been:

"In writing about the impeachment in 1998, [Toni] Morrison wrote that, since Whitewater, Bill Clinton had been mistreated because of his "Blackness":
Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.[17]

The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters. When the Congressional Black Caucus honored the former president at its dinner in Washington D.C. on September 29, 2001, for instance, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), the chair, told the audience that Clinton "took so many initiatives he made us think for a while we had elected the first black president."

Toni Morrison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But that didn't last long, once the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said" came along.....the one whom Harry Reid said was electable because he is a "light-skinned African-American with no Negro dialect...unless he wants one". So it's all about race.

Leave your brain at the door and Vote by Color. That's the party's motto.

So sad to say...but you are absolutely right. :undecided:

It was that way in 2008 and promises to be repeated in 2012.

Be prepared to be called "racist".

Just call me stupid.....and damn proud of it!!!

He was born in the US Panama Canal Zone on a Naval Station. Same as being born in Brooklyn. The only thing is, these days, his passport will say Panama as birthplace. Jimmy Carter took mine and Mr. McCain's birthplace off the map and our passports.

Posh 08 Bravo! Bravo!:BigApplause:

I've been away from the forum for awhile...It's nice to see that somethings NEVER change!!!!

I am not a 'birther', but this really caught my eye. Someone once told me that Obama's team surely would have properly vetted him before nominating for president; baloney, this wouldn't be the first time those teams (from either side) messed up! Think 4 yr. ago.

Anyway, let's face it: He's been our prez for 3 1/2 yr. and may or may not return to office. Nothing will come of this. Save your breath.

It might have an impact on the election if Obama is not on the ballot in some states because of the politics of that state's governor and secretary of state.

This is one of the more amusing things to come out of Arizona's request for authentication of President Obama's birth certificate last week. Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, must prove he's the man in charge of deciding whether President Obama is eligible to be on Arizona's ballot in November. It seems like turnabout is fair play.


How Hawaii Stiffed Arizona Secretary Of State Ken Bennett’s Birther Investigation | TPMMuckraker

Team Obama has a very simple solution they can comply and provide the information required thus saitisfying Arizona's requirements. I mean every american taxpayer, business man etc. is required to comply with federal regulations so why should Team Obama get a pass?

Now just watch Team Obama gestapo tactics fighting this little gem. He and his merry band of community organizers have gone out of their way to diminish, slander and intimidate otherwise good people just because they support Romney or disagree with him. Democratic Mayor Booker of Newark NJ dared disagree with Obama's negative Bain Capital campaign ads and now its his turn to get a beating. So much for free speech huh.

:icon_bored:big yawn

ladydoc: a borded big yawn is why the greatest of america is so quickly wasting away. If "we the people" just "blink and deflate"....a big yawn in your terms then we reap what we sow...bupkus

AZ politics is rapidly becoming the laughingstock of America. :1rotfl: