I cannot understand why Republiicans are against raising the minimum wage in increments to $15 per hour. Not all in one jump, but increments over a couple or three years.

Businesses could gradually increase prices and the consumer would not mind and the business would not suffer loss.

The minimum wage should represent a wage that a minimally employed family of four could live on decenty.

Democrats do not want to set a minimum wage as what to strive for but rather as a safety net if nothing higher or more skilled can be found.

Originally Posted by Guest

I cannot understand why Republiicans are against raising the minimum wage in increments to $15 per hour. Not all in one jump, but increments over a couple or three years.

Businesses could gradually increase prices and the consumer would not mind and the business would not suffer loss.

The minimum wage should represent a wage that a minimally employed family of four could live on decenty.

Democrats do not want to set a minimum wage as what to strive for but rather as a safety net if nothing higher or more skilled can be found.

I don't want to start off by insulting your intelligence...yet. Maybe the reason we don't want to increase the minimum wage is because we believe that each state should handle that. After all, each state has a different level/standard of living and medium pay. You cannot get a studio apartment in NYC for a thousand bucks a month, but you can buy a 3 or 4 bedroom house for that in many Southern states. Gasoline costs are different by state. $15 might be great in some states, low in other states and really high in others.

Democrats mean well, but liberal politicians are not trying to do well for you, they are trying to buy your votes. They know that the price of a hamburger will go up to offset the higher wages. They know that the prices at Walmart will go up when wages go up. No business owner is going to short change him/herself and their family just to make a bunch of low motivated earners happy. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be subsistence jobs. Anyone that thinks that someone should be so unmotivated to try to support a family on minimum wages is crazy. No, the government should not be mandating wage levels, period.

Originally Posted by Guest

I cannot understand why Republiicans are against raising the minimum wage in increments to $15 per hour. Not all in one jump, but increments over a couple or three years.

Businesses could gradually increase prices and the consumer would not mind and the business would not suffer loss.

The minimum wage should represent a wage that a minimally employed family of four could live on decenty.

Democrats do not want to set a minimum wage as what to strive for but rather as a safety net if nothing higher or more skilled can be found.

Dear Guest:

You state, "I cannot understand why".......................

for starters supply an demand Market value (see below)
loss of comparative advantage
loss of competitiveness
loss of productivity
numerical value/ market value of a job
loss of incentives

The federal government's intrusion into business with scheme such as this is simply ludicrous Every position has a set value and that value moves in conjunction with the market and with supply and demand.

Personal Best Regards:

So, if I hear you correctly, you think that there should be NO minimum wage whatsoever and it would be entirely up to businesses to determine the wages to be paid?

Isn't that going back to the days of the "robber barons" who would employ workers and pay them almost nothing? That is why labor unions were established as well as the federal minimum wage.

I do see your side BUT that ship has sailed. There IS federal minimum wage and it will not be going away. The question is whether or not to raise it to $15 per hour and create a living wage or not. The Democratic platform will be having incremental increases in minimum wage to $15.

Yes, your hamburger and beer at Codys might cost 50 cents more and your WalMart toilet paper might cost 75 cents more for the 24 pack. The Cody's waitress and WalMart employees will make a decent wage while they hopefully increase their education and skill to find a job paying more money.

Originally Posted by Guest

So, if I hear you correctly, you think that there should be NO minimum wage whatsoever and it would be entirely up to businesses to determine the wages to be paid?

Isn't that going back to the days of the "robber barons" who would employ workers and pay them almost nothing? That is why labor unions were established as well as the federal minimum wage.

I do see your side BUT that ship has sailed. There IS federal minimum wage and it will not be going away. The question is whether or not to raise it to $15 per hour and create a living wage or not. The Democratic platform will be having incremental increases in minimum wage to $15.

Yes, your hamburger and beer at Codys might cost 50 cents more and your WalMart toilet paper might cost 75 cents more for the 24 pack. The Cody's waitress and WalMart employees will make a decent wage while they hopefully increase their education and skill to find a job paying more money.

You still do not get it. Minimum wages is NOT a living wage and is not supposed to be. And you did not read any of the rest of it as to reasoning why it should not be a gov mandate/controlled. If you do not wish to listen, then don't ask a question.

You are a bleeding heart liberal that thinks that anyone that is not equal to you, MUST NEED TO BE ASSISTED. Perhaps, not everyone wishes to be as you, or perhaps they are not as motivated as you. YOU do not believe in Free Enterprise, so just have everyone hired on as a gov employee, whether they like it or not.

And what is really pathetic is that you liberals ALWAYS wish for someone else to pay for your ideas and mandates. Oh, but the rich have more than they need. Who dictates what a person needs or wants? You are not even an American when you think like a commie. You can not force your welfare on others. Just leave them alone and they will either swim or sink...their choice. If you think that is cold hearted, then try waking up to the real world. This is not and never will be Obama's socialist Utopia.

Originally Posted by Guest

So, if I hear you correctly, you think that there should be NO minimum wage whatsoever and it would be entirely up to businesses to determine the wages to be paid?

Isn't that going back to the days of the "robber barons" who would employ workers and pay them almost nothing? That is why labor unions were established as well as the federal minimum wage.

I do see your side BUT that ship has sailed. There IS federal minimum wage and it will not be going away. The question is whether or not to raise it to $15 per hour and create a living wage or not. The Democratic platform will be having incremental increases in minimum wage to $15.

Yes, your hamburger and beer at Codys might cost 50 cents more and your WalMart toilet paper might cost 75 cents more for the 24 pack. The Cody's waitress and WalMart employees will make a decent wage while they hopefully increase their education and skill to find a job paying more money.

Next time you are in Cody's and you feel sorry for a waitress, give her a big tip. Oops, I am speaking to a liberal, my bad.

How many Walmart employees do you know that make minimum wages? Less than 1%, in case you do not know how to Google.

And remember, just because you raise minimum wages, does not limit the increase in expense to the lower wage earners. Everyone above that level will also have to be given a raise in proportion.

You say 50 cents more for a hamburger won't hurt you. I am glad for you. But, how about those that are at a lower income than you? How about all those that can't afford to pay more for a burger? And there are people like that, you know? Just because championing a cause makes yuppies like you feel good with yourself, does that make up for not serving your country? If you want to help others, use something besides your mouth. We have a monthly food drive in our neighborhood. Why don't you volunteer for one in your neighborhood and gather food for a local food pantry? Why don't you volunteer for a soup kitchen? Instead of making everyone else miserable with your liberal ideas, think of the lasting repercussions liberal ideas cause.

Originally Posted by Guest

Next time you are in Cody's and you feel sorry for a waitress, give her a big tip. Oops, I am speaking to a liberal, my bad.

Just because championing a cause makes yuppies like you feel good with yourself, does that make up for not serving your country? If you want to help others, use something besides your mouth. We have a monthly food drive in our neighborhood. Why don't you volunteer for one in your neighborhood and gather food for a local food pantry? Why don't you volunteer for a soup kitchen? Instead of making everyone else miserable with your liberal ideas, think of the lasting repercussions liberal ideas cause.

Pal, you are right about one thing - I am a liberal. Thank you.

However - not serving my country - WRONG! Vietnam vet and lost a leg at the knee. I do volunteer on a regular basis at the Wildwood Food Pantry. I go to church on a regular basis. I teach boxing to high school kids. How do you match up with your service and volunteering? Want to go a few rounds in the ring with a liberal?

I make you miserable because I have liberal ideas? I apologize for that.

Originally Posted by Guest

Pal, you are right about one thing - I am a liberal. Thank you.

However - not serving my country - WRONG! Vietnam vet and lost a leg at the knee. I do volunteer on a regular basis at the Wildwood Food Pantry. I go to church on a regular basis. I teach boxing to high school kids. How do you match up with your service and volunteering? Want to go a few rounds in the ring with a liberal?

I make you miserable because I have liberal ideas? I apologize for that.

Guess there are always abnormalities to all trends. How do I match up? Well, I won't belittle your sacrifice by expounding on my service. Just because my service exceeds yours does not mean that I sacrificed as much, so I won't demean your service.

That said, a liberal is a liberal is a socialist. My opinion. It is obvious that you have had a change of heart.

Liberals are real good with volunteering other folks' money when it comes to taxes and funding. I don't feel that way. I do not feel that America is so weak that we need to coddle the lazy/unmotivated. I have rarely seen anyone that supported a family on minimum wages, UNLESS they were just not motivated enough to better themselves. In that case, they receive welfare. If you give them a higher minimum wage, you will probably find that they will lose their food stamps and medicaid. That will actually do them more harm. But, liberals don't look at it like that. They only think they are doing good.

Too bad this thread cannot be discussed without the name calling by both sides. I am a conservative and not in favor of the mandatory $15 minimum as proposed, for many of the reasons explained above, but as much as I disagree with the liberals in most areas they are in entitled to their opinions.

How about the proponent giving us a lesson in where and how they came up with the number $15???

Since when did the requirement for minimum wage become being adequate to raise and support a family?

I find most who are the loudest proponents of the magical $15 have no business accumen what so ever.

They do not understand that a business has a certain amount of margin many times the largest expense being wages.
To raise the wages and remain at the same profitability requires an increase in income.......higher prices....to get more margin to pay the higher minimum wage.
When there is no room to recover the margin due to increased wages expense the only other option is to cut hours or reduce the number of employees.

BFD!!! You now get $15 per hour!! You now work less hours and are not bringing anymore pay home than when making less.

The bleeding heart approach to giving money away only works in the government. They are the only ones who can keep raising wages and opearte with negative income.

How about making it personal. If the utility company decided they were not making enough profit to give their employees all a raise to the feel good level and they had to increase your monthly bill $30 per month to do so; would that be OK? Hell it is only $1 per day. Surely a resident of TV can afford that measly amount.
Same BS logic applies to minimum wage.

I still want to know where the $15 need came from!

Originally Posted by Guest

How about the proponent giving us a lesson in where and how they came up with the number $15???

Since when did the requirement for minimum wage become being adequate to raise and support a family?

I find most who are the loudest proponents of the magical $15 have no business accumen what so ever.

They do not understand that a business has a certain amount of margin many times the largest expense being wages.
To raise the wages and remain at the same profitability requires an increase in income.......higher prices....to get more margin to pay the higher minimum wage.
When there is no room to recover the margin due to increased wages expense the only other option is to cut hours or reduce the number of employees.

BFD!!! You now get $15 per hour!! You now work less hours and are not bringing anymore pay home than when making less.

The bleeding heart approach to giving money away only works in the government. They are the only ones who can keep raising wages and opearte with negative income.

How about making it personal. If the utility company decided they were not making enough profit to give their employees all a raise to the feel good level and they had to increase your monthly bill $30 per month to do so; would that be OK? Hell it is only $1 per day. Surely a resident of TV can afford that measly amount.
Same BS logic applies to minimum wage.

I still want to know where the $15 need came from!

A mandated minimum wage of $15 will only hasten the use of robotic machines to displace what were traditional entry level jobs typically filled by young adults and older teens .

Reportedly about 33% of American adults once worked at a minimum wage job in the " Fast Food Industry " .

Originally Posted by Guest

Pal, you are right about one thing - I am a liberal. Thank you.

However - not serving my country - WRONG! Vietnam vet and lost a leg at the knee. I do volunteer on a regular basis at the Wildwood Food Pantry. I go to church on a regular basis. I teach boxing to high school kids. How do you match up with your service and volunteering? Want to go a few rounds in the ring with a liberal?

I make you miserable because I have liberal ideas? I apologize for that.

Good for you, but being a good person, doesn't make
your beliefs more valid than another's.
By the way, if you have to brag about your volunteer work,
your motives may be suspect!

Originally Posted by Guest

A mandated minimum wage of $15 will only hasten the use of robotic machines to displace what were traditional entry level jobs typically filled by young adults and older teens .

Reportedly about 33% of American adults once worked at a minimum wage job in the " Fast Food Industry " .

be-eye-en-gee-oh!!

Never EVER intended to be a career paying type employment.

ENTRY LEVEL!!!! Is it day light or dark out....employment test!!!

Originally Posted by Guest

Good for you, but being a good person, doesn't make
your beliefs more valid than another's.
By the way, if you have to brag about your volunteer work,
your motives may be suspect!

No, I was not bragging about volunteer work. I was told by a poster to do something instead of just talking liberalism. I merely replied as to what things I do - as well as play golf twice a week.

No, I do not say I am a good person nor are my views anymore important than a conservatives views. Follow your conscience.