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Guest 08-08-2015 12:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097423)
And Hillary is a better pick? :1rotfl:

Don't think so but she does have a certain appeal to the more stupid elements of society.

Guest 08-08-2015 01:19 PM

Perhaps Perry did so unintentionally, but when speaking he said that if he were president he would have sent Carly to negoitate the Iranians. Did he itented to slight her because she was a woman? Carly's expression was neutral. But it may have hurt Perry with women?

As I stated many time I have been watching Carlyclosely. Both she and Rubio present in a manner that fits my style. So I need to be on guard and not to let that sway my thinking (i.e Is it I like what you say or the way you say it?).

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 08-08-2015 01:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097422)
Sorry to quote my own post, but I couldn't edit. Anyone else remember Lucent? Ms Fiorina was instrumental in the forming of Lucent and the At&T split. Something like 30,000 people were layed off, their stock was one of the wall st darlings and if my memory serves me became alcatel-lucent-I think they're in France.

First, it is no doubt that her business history is sketchy. Nobody will or should debate that, but as the old stories about other candidates are thrown aside this will also. But you are right...her record is sketchy.

While she is not my top choice, she is impressive with her knowledge of the issues, her presentation and as times gone on we will see about her plans for policy....we have LONG WAY TO GO.

For me, I can in no way seen in mankind vote for Hillary Clinton and find ANY of the Republican candidates to be much more worthy than she. Speaking of the past, she has one that requires extra buses and frankly, some of her past is EXTREMELY UGLY and she just continues.

I realize that her opponents and the media present her as someone who expects to be queen, but she does nothing to in anyway deter that scenario.

ALL presidents of either party have political positions and aspirations, but never in my life (and that covers a lot) have I ever seen a President of this country be so enamored with the political aspect of everything, including foreign affairs.

My fear is that, as bad as it is, Ms Clinton has the extreme potential to even be worse. She is so full of contradictions it boggles the mind.

Obviously I dismiss Bernie Sanders because he is so far left and so close to socialism and communism which has been a bane for centuries that that support is out.

Mr Biden. I think, after following him for many years is just not presidential material. He is a GREAT worker bee.....a congressman, senator but not a leader although he has the ability to get deals done, as a President I think he would not fare well.

That leaves me with the Republican field. Right now, I am finding myself in Rubios corner....liking Bush, Kasich and Walker.

But want you to know that i understand your concern with Fiorina's past....I know of it....do not fear it as it is no unusual or filled with any corruption.

Guest 08-08-2015 01:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097422)
Sorry to quote my own post, but I couldn't edit. Anyone else remember Lucent? Ms Fiorina was instrumental in the forming of Lucent and the At&T split. Something like 30,000 people were layed off, their stock was one of the wall st darlings and if my memory serves me became alcatel-lucent-I think they're in France.

Like it or not fortune 500 corporations are beholding to their share holders first and foremost......not to saving thousands of jobs.
If that could be accomplished in the action that would be fine.

Most company actions to improve profitability and share holder value involves reducing expenses and like it or not the largest target for bottom line improvement is to get expenses/employment back in line with generating a profit.

Guest 08-08-2015 02:04 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097454)
Like it or not fortune 500 corporations are beholding to their share holders first and foremost......not to saving thousands of jobs.
If that could be accomplished in the action that would be fine.

Most company actions to improve profitability and share holder value involves reducing expenses and like it or not the largest target for bottom line improvement is to get expenses/employment back in line with generating a profit.

Sounds exactly what we need in D.C. NOW!

Guest 08-08-2015 02:45 PM

"Most company actions to improve profitability and share holder value involves reducing expenses and like it or not the largest target for bottom line improvement is to get expenses/employment back in line with generating a profit."
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How would Fiorina accomplish this if she were President? Would it be a big cutback in social programs such as SNAP, Children School Lunches, and Aid to Dependent Children?

Would it be a cutback (hiring freeze) in the number of Federal employees?

Would it be a further reduction of the military expenses including troop levels?

Could this be accomplished with the divide we now have in Congress or would she sign an Executive Order?

None of the above items would make her popular with all groups. What might some other ways be to cut expenses for her?

Guest 08-08-2015 03:08 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097472)
"Most company actions to improve profitability and share holder value involves reducing expenses and like it or not the largest target for bottom line improvement is to get expenses/employment back in line with generating a profit."
_________________

How would Fiorina accomplish this if she were President? Would it be a big cutback in social programs such as SNAP, Children School Lunches, and Aid to Dependent Children?

Would it be a cutback (hiring freeze) in the number of Federal employees?

Would it be a further reduction of the military expenses including troop levels?

Could this be accomplished with the divide we now have in Congress or would she sign an Executive Order?

None of the above items would make her popular with all groups. What might some other ways be to cut expenses for her?

I don't know you poster, but do you know the explicit, clear differences between corporate P L and the USA government budget ?

Same ploy was tried with Romney and it has no bearing..no comparison AT ALL.

Guest 08-08-2015 03:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097443)
Perhaps Perry did so unintentionally, but when speaking he said that if he were president he would have sent Carly to negoitate the Iranians. Did he itented to slight her because she was a woman? Carly's expression was neutral. But it may have hurt Perry with women?

As I stated many time I have been watching Carlyclosely. Both she and Rubio present in a manner that fits my style. So I need to be on guard and not to let that sway my thinking (i.e Is it I like what you say or the way you say it?).

Personal Best Regards:

Regarding Perry's comment - personally I thought he meant it as a compliment. Did not see it from your way of thinking at all. I thought he was alluding to her past experience in dealing with foreign leaders when she was head of HP and also her experience as a negotiator in business deals. In fact, I wondered when he said it if he was also alluding to the fact that he would consider her for a member of his team (VP or cabinet) it he were elected. Totally saw that one differently than you, but who knows?

Guest 08-08-2015 03:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097481)
I don't know you poster, but do you know the explicit, clear differences between corporate P L and the USA government budget ?

Same ploy was tried with Romney and it has no bearing..no comparison AT ALL.

Not looking for a fight. I just tossed a couple of points out there. Since I am not experienced at this, what areas do you believe that Fiorina might choose to cut / and would she be able to do it with a divided Congress?

Guest 08-08-2015 03:32 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097489)
Regarding Perry's comment - personally I thought he meant it as a compliment. Did not see it from your way of thinking at all. I thought he was alluding to her past experience in dealing with foreign leaders when she was head of HP and also her experience as a negotiator in business deals. In fact, I wondered when he said it if he was also alluding to the fact that he would consider her for a member of his team (VP or cabinet) it he were elected. Totally saw that one differently than you, but who knows?

:agree:

Guest 08-08-2015 04:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097472)
"Most company actions to improve profitability and share holder value involves reducing expenses and like it or not the largest target for bottom line improvement is to get expenses/employment back in line with generating a profit."
_________________

How would Fiorina accomplish this if she were President? Would it be a big cutback in social programs such as SNAP, Children School Lunches, and Aid to Dependent Children?

Would it be a cutback (hiring freeze) in the number of Federal employees?

Would it be a further reduction of the military expenses including troop levels?

Could this be accomplished with the divide we now have in Congress or would she sign an Executive Order?

None of the above items would make her popular with all groups. What might some other ways be to cut expenses for her?

Maybe she could outsorce Congress, ship the entire operation to India.

Guest 08-08-2015 04:33 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097521)
Maybe she could outsorce Congress, ship the entire operation to India.

Same remarks EXACTLY in 2012 aimed at Romney.

Gotta get new material.

Guest 08-08-2015 05:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097532)
Same remarks EXACTLY in 2012 aimed at Romney.

Gotta get new material.


Thanks for reminding us how successful that campaign against Romney worked.

Guest 08-08-2015 06:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097550)
Thanks for reminding us how successful that campaign against Romney worked.

WHAT ?

What difference does it make ??????

WOW..are you involved in the world as it REALLY is ???

I think this is the same poster who jumped on Romney also for being locked in the fifties,,,,,,about Russia,

I made my comment because you all are repeating the same lines...get new material is all I said....

Guest 08-08-2015 07:29 PM

Why bother to get any new material? Romney lost in 2012, didn't he?

Would Fiorina connect any better with the middle class than Romney did in 2012? She is as rich as Mrs. Clinton and appears to be pretty stuck up.

Why won't Fiorina release her income tax records?

Guest 08-08-2015 07:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097588)
Why bother to get any new material? Romney lost in 2012, didn't he?

Would Fiorina connect any better with the middle class than Romney did in 2012? She is as rich as Mrs. Clinton and appears to be pretty stuck up.

Why won't Fiorina release her income tax records?

Do not repeat this but what I heard is that Fiorina had her tax records on her own private server and she had done quite a bit of embezzling while in business.

She swears it is all a conspiracy by those who oppose her....this worked one time before when she was younger and said the same thing about the terrible chronic cigar smoking that was going on with various and sundry folks in the board room.

So you have to trust her...please...she is telling the truth and would never lie to you......oh, come on now, don't hold the other lies against her.

Trust her...she is sorting through all the records on that private server and by the way, it does not matter that her companies did not know about the server....heck, they should have known. So she is searching through for those records that you have been asking for the last year or so...it takes time you know but trust her...she is working on it and it just takes time.

But disregard the company she destroyed that her boss said was such a success and trust her, she would never do anything wrong. All the other stuff is simply a vast conspiracy

Guest 08-08-2015 07:54 PM

I a sorry for my sarcastic story and post.

Not something I usually do and obviously do not do well and I forgot that you cannot delete in here.

But all caused by a vast left wing conspiracy of asking about tax records over and over and over as it it were an actual issue.

Sorry again

Guest 08-09-2015 08:58 AM

No need to apologize.......we all get frustrated at times and sometimes we push the button and send and other times we delete it in time. Your post wasn't so bad after all, but to apologize as you did puts you heads above the posters to which your post was directed as far as character is concerned.

Have a good day. :)

Guest 08-09-2015 09:19 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1097592)
Do not repeat this but what I heard is that Fiorina had her tax records on her own private server and she had done quite a bit of embezzling while in business.

She swears it is all a conspiracy by those who oppose her....this worked one time before when she was younger and said the same thing about the terrible chronic cigar smoking that was going on with various and sundry folks in the board room.

So you have to trust her...please...she is telling the truth and would never lie to you......oh, come on now, don't hold the other lies against her.

Trust her...she is sorting through all the records on that private server and by the way, it does not matter that her companies did not know about the server....heck, they should have known. So she is searching through for those records that you have been asking for the last year or so...it takes time you know but trust her...she is working on it and it just takes time.

But disregard the company she destroyed that her boss said was such a success and trust her, she would never do anything wrong. All the other stuff is simply a vast conspiracy

Sounds like what Clinton and her advisors would state since it works so well for her!!
:clap2:

Guest 08-09-2015 10:11 AM

You can see how scared the liberals are getting. Already pouncing on a junior varsity star before the game is even in the first quarter. They are very desperate, and rightly so. After all, what do they have to offer in regards to candidates this time? And wow, what happens to all those freebies when their last great "Hope and Change" is sent packing?

I hope to see a Fiorina and Rubio or Kasich ticket, but it's too early to predict. A lot of lies and filth can be thrown out there by the liberal media before the primary. Fiorina would be Clinton's greatest nightmare. And what would she say about Rubio? That he's too young, ha, ha.?

And Billary just keeps on living in her own fantasy daze, moving from one state to another, acting the queen she believes is her birth right. How dare the little people try to crowd her and ask her senseless questions, as if she is some common bureaucrat.

Where's Biden when the Democrats need him. Maybe he will appear suddenly, in the nick of time, mounted on his great white steed...to...save...the....day. Or, maybe he's tired and grieving and has no motivation to bail out a failing ideology.

And as the sun sets, we see a bit of smoke rising to obscure the last vestiges of the sun's rays on the horizon. Smoke residue from what's left of the ancient ideology of socialism and the burnt offerings from planned parenthood as they attempt to destroy our American children's future. And more smoke from D.C. as disenchanted and angry entitled destroy congress because they failed to convert inflated paper revenue into gold. Folks that learned that social programs are great until the money going out to pay for them is greater than that which is collected. Why? Because the wealthy closed their businesses due to over taxation and Obamacare and fled the country.

I see liberals nashing their teeth and rendering their clothing as they look to the sky and cry ????? (they don't believe). Woe to those that forsake capitalism for the promise of a socialist utopia. Woe to those that worship their false idol, Obama as the world crumbles about them.

Anyway, I think the coming campaign season is going to be quite entertaining. Stay tuned for the upcoming episodes of candidate versus candidate vs reporter and see if Ms. Kelly gets a good jab in on Trump or does he scald her with derisive sexist hooks. Did Trump make secret deals with the left or is this all a complex plot to divert attention away from receivers sprinting for the end zone? Will Trump take his ball and threaten to start his own game, ruining the GOP's chance of a Championship, or will he honorably bow out as he did in the last election? Stay tuned for the continued saga of historical significance, and watch as the World Turns.

Guest 08-17-2015 04:35 AM

Trump would be a terrible pres. He would make a fool of himself and this country. Also within 2 weeks we would be at war. His ideas are foolish and dangerous.

Guest 08-17-2015 04:42 AM

Rubio and the rest want to do away with SS etc. SS would only be for the needy. Needy??? Does that mean totally broke before and on yours knees begging for help. I like SS and medicare. Our politicians need to take pay cuts and give up their medical benefits. Sorry I vote for the guy who is in my corner. I have a personal response from Rubio on this issue.

Guest 08-17-2015 04:45 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1100647)
Rubio and the rest want to do away with SS etc. SS would only be for the needy. Needy??? Does that mean totally broke before and on yours knees begging for help. I like SS and medicare. Our politicians need to take pay cuts and give up their medical benefits. Sorry I vote for the guy who is in my corner. I have a personal response from Rubio on this issue.

Where did you get this information?

Guest 08-17-2015 04:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1100646)
Trump would be a terrible pres. He would make a fool of himself and this country. Also within 2 weeks we would be at war. His ideas are foolish and dangerous.

He would make a "fool of himself" ???? As opposed to what we have in there currently?
At war? Most likely we will be at war anyway, because of this administration's foreign policies of leading from behind (also known as following) and giving everything away, also known as "negotiating."
I consider Obama's ideas "foolish and dangerous."

Trump didn't make billions by being "foolish and dangerous." Although, he is not my first choice, he is infinitely preferred over Clinton.

Guest 08-17-2015 07:25 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1100649)
He would make a "fool of himself" ???? As opposed to what we have in there currently?
At war? Most likely we will be at war anyway, because of this administration's foreign policies of leading from behind (also known as following) and giving everything away, also known as "negotiating."
I consider Obama's ideas "foolish and dangerous."

Trump didn't make billions by being "foolish and dangerous." Although, he is not my first choice, he is infinitely preferred over Clinton.

Your Republican party has used two terms that describe you to a tee.

"Low Information Voter" and "Useful Idiot".

Enjoy yourself - no one else does!

Guest 08-17-2015 07:37 AM

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Your Republican party has used two terms that describe you to a tee.

"Low Information Voter" and "Useful Idiot".

Enjoy yourself - no one else does!

Where did you come from, ACME used Trolls? :jester:

Guest 08-17-2015 07:39 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1100705)
Your Republican party has used two terms that describe you to a tee.

"Low Information Voter" and "Useful Idiot".

Enjoy yourself - no one else does!

And yet, you are a Clinton voter. Either you are what you describe as a "low information voter" or just stupid. But, I am not judging you....:D

Guest 08-17-2015 08:08 AM

Seems everyone posting here is a "guest"....interesting.

Guest 08-17-2015 09:11 AM

Here's what I have not seen anyone make a note of
 
With all the politicians the past 20 to 30 years, they are already corrupt or "OWE too much" to other people or companies that helped get them elected, that there is no way they can do an honest job for our Country.

Trump owes NOBODY!!! He's his own man and says what he feels. What other politician has ever done that? No one that I can think of. He doesn't owe anyone anything, isn't obligated to other countries like Hillary is. I actually like that he doesn't worry about what is politically correct and says what he feels. I am sick and tired of these people speaking out of the sides of their mouth because "it's the right thing to say". That means they are going to spend 4 more years doing nothing for this Country just like the joke in the White House now has. This Country can't afford 4 more years of someone like that. In fact, I don't know if our Country has already gone too far to be able to come back. We are the laughingstock of the world right now and need someone who isn't afraid of hurting people's feelings and will get the job done, no matter what.

Have you seen the email where the lowlifes of this Country have figured out how to get $75,000 a year entitlements FREE and it's all legal? We better wake up!!!

Guest 08-17-2015 12:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1100791)
With all the politicians the past 20 to 30 years, they are already corrupt or "OWE too much" to other people or companies that helped get them elected, that there is no way they can do an honest job for our Country.

Trump owes NOBODY!!! He's his own man and says what he feels. What other politician has ever done that? No one that I can think of. He doesn't owe anyone anything, isn't obligated to other countries like Hillary is. I actually like that he doesn't worry about what is politically correct and says what he feels. I am sick and tired of these people speaking out of the sides of their mouth because "it's the right thing to say". That means they are going to spend 4 more years doing nothing for this Country just like the joke in the White House now has.

Have you seen the email where the lowlifes of this Country have figured out how to get $75,000 a year entitlements FREE and it's all legal? We better wake up!!!

Check out truthfulness of some of these forwarded emails before posting. According to truthorfiction.com, that is pure fiction on the $75K entitlements.

Guest 08-17-2015 01:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1100870)
Check out truthfulness of some of these forwarded emails before posting. According to truthorfiction.com, that is pure fiction on the $75K entitlements.

Actually, in some cases it's more than $75K, but whose counting?

Guest 08-18-2015 04:27 AM

And he doesn't play dirty. He's a complete jerk.


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