Read the whole article and put it into perspective...and for the author to say that no one should say this about themselves is their own opinion....

UPDATE: Ben Smith reports that Obama may have been taken somewhat out of context. Still, I don't understand why he'd take such pride in what the rest of the world may think. Yes, everyone wants to be liked but there may be fewer votes in making a virtue of this sort of international acclamation than Obama thinks. Correspondingly, all his european admirers are likely to be disappointed when his presidency fails to live up to the extravagant hope and hype being invested in it. Anyway, here's what a Democratic source tells Ben Smith:

“His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. [The Post] left out the important first half of the sentence, which was along the lines of: ‘It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It’s about America. I have just become a symbol … .”

No Bucco...I said if I thought I could get away from the lying McCain ads then I would come down to TV. Remember I live in Colorado a RED state that is about to go BLUE.

Obama is not running many ads here lately..I am not sure why. I checked the links...neither of those ads have run in Colorado. The ad and the statement that ****ed me off both happened in Colorado.

Still you try to deflect.....

Bucco...you are going to make me do it again...Yes you have posted at length about William Ayers. I called you on it once and now again.

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Okay.....so much of what you say I agree with...

1. You say "You are always going off on Obama's connection to a Weatherman....." UNTIL THIS EVENING I HAVE NEVER EVER, NOT ONCE, NEVER EVEN TYPED THAT NAME...IF YOU SHOW IT TO ME I WILL BE SHOCKED...IT NEVER HAPPENED

2. I dont care if the word alleged is there or not. You choose not to look at the big picture at all. I presented the articles...I read them and many others and came to my conclusion which I tried to explain...I even titled the thread with a ?mark.

3. Yes I know he is a liberal but again you miss my point...I believe...note that is ME,..that he is radical not JUST left wing.

4. While the Communist Party of America has endorsed him strongly, I never once ever ever called him a communist...that was your leap afer reading the articles and I can see how you got there ! There are a lot more articles to read !

4. You find fault and want to discuss ISSUES. Please if you checkmy posts where you will find NO MENTION OF WEATHERMAN, you will find my askingfolks to discuss issues.
HOWEVER...THE most fervent and the most passionate threads and posts have been reserved for Gov Palin and her daughter and her librarian with NO credibility. I have offered some credibility for what I think IS AN ISSUE !


I REALLY HATE TO DO THIS BUT I HAVE TO: Here is your post...with the word Weatherman in it.

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Re: Is this guy really ready for this position. Be honest with yourself.

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I am curious, could you please list the Marxists by name? Such a statement sounds very familiar, like a Senator from Wisconsin back in the 50s stating "I have a list of communists in the State Department." but never providing the list.
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Surely....not in any particular order...

SAUL ALINSKY....A fellow who lived and died in Chicago in 1972, the author of "Rules for Radicals"..one of his students was Cesar Chavez, and actually Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on this guy but it was not allowed to see the light of day during the Clinton presidency. The following quote is from a writer who wrote on the connection between Sen Obama and Alinsky..."Finally, in 1983, he decided to follow in the footsteps of one of his heroes, radical leftist and communist fellow traveler, Saul Alinsky. He concluded, "That's what I'll do… I'll organize black folks at the grass roots… for change.". However this is from his memoirs "among his friends he included "the more politically active black students, foreign students, Chicanos, Marxist professors, feminists, and punk rock performance poets."
This is a quote from Sen Obama discussing some things about Alinsky....""Sometimes the tendency in community organizing of the sort done by Alinsky was to downplay the power of words and of ideas when in fact ideas and words are pretty powerful. 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal.' Those are just words. 'I have a dream.' Just words."

There is a lot more out there but I am trying to keep away from the facts twister.

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS...A labor activist known for his communist connections. He died in 1987 but during the 70s Sen Obama had a very close relationship with him and this is the guy that when Sen Obama refers to Frank his advisor that folks say he is referring to.

Again, I am trying to stay away from some of the other things out there because to my knowledge no verification on some stuff but lots and lots of smoke.

WILIAM AYERS...one of the famous WEATHERMEN of the 60's who bombed and killed. I cannot comment on any relationship here because the only facts are that Ayers contributed to Obamas campaign which in itself means nothing...they did served together at the same time on a board or two in Chicago however.

Now, I could add that Sen Obama has received an enthusiatic endorsement from the American Communist party or mention Rev Wright, etc, but my point is and always has been on this...

My concern with Sen Obama is that there is NO list of accomplishments for him...if you look at the current legislation he proffered in Congress (Global Poverty Act)..that is pretty socialist, and he himself has said he wants to "reallocate the worlds resources".....Lacking any achievements to make a consideration on, TO ME...it would seem that his training and past associates and those he calls mentors would be most important. Now, I find the above plus more but much of that falls into a catagory of hearsay...but this is what I have to go on...nothing more.

This is my concern...I am NOT a supporter of Sen McCain....I agree with some and disagree with other things he has done or stood for. In the case of Sen Obama, my concern is simply that he seems to stand for a very far left, socialist program and that is something I oppose.

I am open minded if you can allay any of my fears !

From your posts.

Unfortunately we will not be able to agree on this point. He didn't pal around with Ayers and he didn't vote 94 times to raise taxes.

Bucco...I went to your Canadian webiste.....don't bother to link me to that garbage again.

Ok...couple things on a few different posts. You checked out the ads where Sen Obama lied but they did not happen in Colorado...so then its okay ? Did they not cover the convention in Colorado ? This is a national election !!
I hope you are able to relax here and of course enjoy the truth as told only by Sen Obama !!


Next...I thank you for calling me out on posting on William Ayers..here is the post you were so proud of calling me on....

"WILIAM AYERS...one of the famous WEATHERMEN of the 60's who bombed and killed. I cannot comment on any relationship here because the only facts are that Ayers contributed to Obamas campaign which in itself means nothing...they did served together at the same time on a board or two in Chicago however."

You folks amaze me....a man in his 40's has all these shadowy connections..some like Rev Wright not so shadowy and you just pass it off and spend more time criticizing Gov Palin's children, accent and whatever.

I can only imagine if she or Sen McCain had even one of these shadows in his background !

In essence I defended Sen Obama and thank you for calling that to my attention.

Bucco.... I was p***ed off about what Palin said and when asked about it she defended it. I watched both conventions...and you know much was said on both sides.


Both McCain a Palin have some past associations....do you really want to go down that road?

you just pass it off and spend more time criticizing Gov Paling's children, accent and whatever

Just show me where I criticized her children or accent....Show me the
post(s) Bucco.

yes yes yes yes ....please

I am sorry if I mispoke...what part of her life did you criticize ?

So glad you are living in the world of the truth spoken ONLY by Sen Obama.

There is a rumor around that in order to prepare for the debate, Joe Biden watched old tapes of how Johnny Carson treated Charo.

Very appropriate, although Charo doesn't wink quite as much and has a real accent.

Bucco...I truly try to keep things civil... As you know Obama is not my guy but this Palin attack really ****ed me off. The only other thing that gets my blood boiling is the Muslim thing and using his middle name.

If I see an Obama ad lying I will post it...

Yes, these are important issues to discuss and focus on. Never mind who is running for President...lets make fun of Gov Palin. I am betting those of you who make fun of her intellect (AND her familyand accent) could not muster up the brain cells to even begin to understand the complexities of a state government.

When my husband & I were looking for a golf cart, we stopped off at one of the golf cart dealers located near the Villlages. The saleman we had kept making that clicking noise after he made a point (directed at me). Finally, I had to tell him that I didn't appreciate his condescending attitude toward me, and the fact that he made those clicking noises when he directed comments at me. He didn't do that to my husband!!! Needless to say, we did not buy anything from that dealer!

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Good to see you have reverted to personal attacks on those who disagree with you. You have clearly fallen into the McCain camp!!

PS I can' "muster up" more brain cells than you in my sleep!

First of all , I apologize for the personal attack..you should be offended. I am just fed up with people who attack this woman on such a personal level day in and day out who could not probably accomplish anything near what she has accomplished.

Oh, and you can make your cracks about Sen McCain all you want. I have NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER attacked Sen Obama on a personal level and neither is Sen McCain....this country has a right to know about all the many many shadows in the life of a candidate for President without being called a racist. It is not a comfortable thing to do.....Sen Clinton began but ran out of time.....if everything, and trust me...Ayers is not close to everything...gets aired then I will be happy just so everyone knows about this man ! I am again not speaking of him personally....I am speaking of his idealogy which he changes nearly each year by the way !

Again sorry for the personal thing with you...I was just very angry and spouted off ! I am sure you are smarter than I....never said any different and not sure why you responded that way !!!!

No big deal on the personal attacks.

This thread isn't about who is running for president. It's a follow up to the VP debate so Palin/Biden not McCain are being disussed.

As far as the comlexities of state government goes. Check out Palins record of hiring as governor. Nothing can top her hiring of her high school classmate Franci Havemeister, for secretary of agriculture. Ms. Havemeister, a former realtor, cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the $2 million agency.

We don't need somebody with a mindset such as Palins as a VP to a 72 year old cancer survivor.