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Guest 12-11-2015 06:13 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157026)
I agree with you. I own a number of handguns and a so-called assault rifle and would have no problem registering all of them. I also think anyone carrying a concealed weapon should be registered along with each weapon they carry. A few liberal stop and frisk should be law of the land. It has been 15 years since I've been an NRA member. No reasonable dialog is possible as they do own congress. IMO

A semi-automatic rifle is NOT an assault rifle.

Guest 12-11-2015 06:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1156600)
At least, the CCW permit should have the mandatory requirement of marksmanship.

In Florida, any veteran can get the CCW permit with a copy of his DD214, fingerprints, and a fee of around $115. No test of marksmanship at all! It makes no difference if the veteran was an Army cook 70 years ago and has not touched a gun since then.

Dear Guest: At least that is more than what is required in many states for the right to vote. Voting is our life blood and if fraud is not abated can do more harm in the long run than unchecked gun ownership.

By the way Marco Rubio made claim that gun control as proposed by progressives and more restrictive in states such as California would not have stopped any of the mass shootings in the past. The Washington Post did a fact checked and agreed that Rubio was right.

Too many progressive have an obsession concerning gun control. Their hearts are in the right spot but not their logic.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 12-11-2015 06:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1156670)
Always excuses. How many problems do you read about with veterans not hitting their target? That has nothing to do with the shooting problem. Anyone knows that once you have had weapons training, you remember how to handle them properly. At least, anyone that has every had a gun before. Anti-gun folks will always try to come up with something to argue with. Example: Automatic weapons. There already is a ban on automatic weapons, but every know-nothing, anti-gun person as well as news reporters with no experience, thinks that any non revolver or shotgun is automatic. They do not understand that only fully automatic weapons are considered "assault weapons."

We have a second amendment. There is no stipulation in the amendment for proficiency. Everyone has different levels of ability, and none of it every has anything to do with the ISSUE. The fact is, there are more guns in America than ever before, and crime has gone down. Another fact is that over fifty percent of gun related deaths are due to suicide. Not a crime.

Anti-gun folks need to get on with their lives. You are not going to get rid of our guns, so you might as well lower your stress level and get a new agenda going for you.

Liberals are on a roll and they fully intend to destroy America.
They have achieved legalizing abortion
They are selling baby body parts
They have legalized deviant sexual behavior, even marriage
They have all but banned public display of Christianity.
They have almost legalized the sale of Marijuana
They have almost run the wealthy out of our country by unfair taxation
They have banned non-PC conversation, even punishing private conversation
They teach our children acceptance of deviant behavior and immorality in public schools
They have ostracized Christians and welcomed Muslims
And they have all but bankrupted our country to subsidize the lazy. Forcing everyone to purchase a product or service by force of penalty (Obamacare).

Our neighbor is NOT our responsibility. Our family is our responsibly and Christian charity is encouraged, not forced. Donating, volunteering, assisting, and caring for is an option of charity, not an obligation. Liberals have been using our good faith against us when they feel no responsibility of their own. They feel that sharing is only for those that have more than them. They are very generous with others' property. No sacrifice of their own.

Guns are a right. If you manage to ban guns, all you will be doing is making more criminals, because NO real American will lay down his guns on the whim of a pathetic pacifist coward. And that is exactly what Obama is.

Dear Guest:

I could not agree with you more. Progressive's policies implemented 50 years ago have had an accumulative effect and have greatly harmed this nation . We are especially witnessing these effects now because we have the weakest leadership this country has experienced in modern times.

Frankly I do not find confidence in one candidate seeking the presidency on either side leading us out of this mess. Not one

We are in this mess because this nation has forgotten the basics

A hint to all of this is the expression the "new normal" . You know what the "new normal"really is ? A euphemism for abnormal.

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Guest 12-11-2015 08:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157118)
Dear Guest:

I could not agree with you more. Progressive's policies implemented 50 years ago have had an accumulative effect and have greatly harmed this nation . We are especially witnessing these effects now because we have the weakest leadership this country has experienced in modern times.

Frankly I do not find confidence in one candidate seeking the presidency on either side leading us out of this mess. Not one

We are in this mess because this nation has forgotten the basics

A hint to all of this is the expression the "new normal" . You know what the "new normal"really is ? A euphemism for abnormal.


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Next thing you know they will give voting rights to blacks and women.

Guest 12-11-2015 08:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157098)
Hate to break it to you, but ALL CCW permits are "registered." The only fear I have regarding registering ALL weapons is that the honest person will comply and the criminal won't. As bad as this gov is, I am reluctant to allow them any more power or control over me. Having a list of all gun ownership, makes it real easy for them to confiscate your gun if they declare an emergency. I have been a law abiding citizen all my life, but if they started a mandatory registration, my unregistered weapons would remain unregistered. I have no problems with a stop and frisk policy as long as it is not a "liberal" stop and frisk, meaning with total disregard for the constitutional rights of the citizen. A suspicious looking character is one good reason, but just to stop someone on a "liberal" power trip is another. There has to be some governor on this power. I don't believe the NRA owns congress any more than than I believe George Soros or the Koch brothers own congress. They have lots of power, but not total power. If not for the NRA, I bet we would be another Australia in regards to gun laws and confiscation.

Statistics seem to indicate that since more guns are owned in the U.S. crime has been reduced. In cities with the harshest gun control laws, violent crime is the highest.

Since over half the gun related deaths in America are suicides, reducing or limiting gun ownership will not reduce that fifty percent of deaths. Those persons wishing to end their own lives will still achieve it, only by a different method.

Strict penalties and punishment is the only deterrent to lower deaths by criminal violence. If the courts refuse to punish the guilty, then what is stopping them from committing crime?

100% on TARGET!!!!

Guest 12-11-2015 08:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157099)
A semi-automatic rifle is NOT an assault rifle.

Most who express a need for more gun control, or who try to converse about one particular weapon or not have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. They merely parrot what they hear by the media and others like the who do not know any more either.

Rifle, pistol, shotgun, in either single action, double action, semi automatic, single or double stack clips and on and on. And they further demonstrate their lack of knowledge when calling any black colored modern day rifle (miltary looking) and assault rifle.

No value added and nothing but furthering the misunderstanding and confusing the uninformed.

Guest 12-11-2015 09:40 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157147)
Next thing you know they will give voting rights to blacks and women.

Juvenile troll. You got the attention you crave, so now you can go away.

Guest 12-11-2015 12:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157098)
Hate to break it to you, but ALL CCW permits are "registered." The only fear I have regarding registering ALL weapons is that the honest person will comply and the criminal won't. As bad as this gov is, I am reluctant to allow them any more power or control over me. Having a list of all gun ownership, makes it real easy for them to confiscate your gun if they declare an emergency. I have been a law abiding citizen all my life, but if they started a mandatory registration, my unregistered weapons would remain unregistered. I have no problems with a stop and frisk policy as long as it is not a "liberal" stop and frisk, meaning with total disregard for the constitutional rights of the citizen. A suspicious looking character is one good reason, but just to stop someone on a "liberal" power trip is another. There has to be some governor on this power. I don't believe the NRA owns congress any more than than I believe George Soros or the Koch brothers own congress. They have lots of power, but not total power. If not for the NRA, I bet we would be another Australia in regards to gun laws and confiscation.

Statistics seem to indicate that since more guns are owned in the U.S. crime has been reduced. In cities with the harshest gun control laws, violent crime is the highest.

Since over half the gun related deaths in America are suicides, reducing or limiting gun ownership will not reduce that fifty percent of deaths. Those persons wishing to end their own lives will still achieve it, only by a different method.

Strict penalties and punishment is the only deterrent to lower deaths by criminal violence. If the courts refuse to punish the guilty, then what is stopping them from committing crime?

Well it appears you and I agree on nothing when it comes to guns. The conspiracy government seizure theory you bring up is not logical but one that Wayne LaPierre has trained his members to parrot. There is nothing that would help Chicago gun violence more then a stop and frisk program. I guess if I believe in that I'm not as patriotic an American as you and Sean Hannity. I can live with that.

Guest 12-11-2015 02:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1157300)
Well it appears you and I agree on nothing when it comes to guns. The conspiracy government seizure theory you bring up is not logical but one that Wayne LaPierre has trained his members to parrot. There is nothing that would help Chicago gun violence more then a stop and frisk program. I guess if I believe in that I'm not as patriotic an American as you and Sean Hannity. I can live with that.

Read my comment over again. I believe you misinterpreted it. I have no conspiracy theory in my comment. But, I did indicate that it would be easier for the gov to seize our guns. That is not a conspiracy theory, but I know how one side is ALWAYS misstating comments to pervert it to say something other than intended. The way this president uses EO's so blatantly, I would not totally discard the idea of someone doing it though. Australia confiscated guns, and tried to push the voluntary idea. I never said that stop and frisk was a bad idea. I said that it should be used with prudence, within reason. NYC had it and it worked very well. Why you would throw in a nasty sentence at the end, I have no idea other than I have noticed that a lot on here coming from the left. Not that I have anything against Sean Hannity, but I don't watch his show. Why you think that using his name is a bad thing, is something only you would understand. I guess you watch his show, so you may know more about him. I am have been told that he is a conservative commentator with a talk show. But, I am sure you would know more about that than me. It must be a pretty good program, if the left is so threatened by it. Since you endorse it so willingly, I will probably have to check it out one evening. I have no idea as to your patriotic status, but now that you mention it so vehemently, it must be a sore spot for you. I could only guess that you regret not serving your country, or some related reason. None of my business of course. We have an all voluntary military service, which is too bad in my opinion.

Guest 12-11-2015 02:18 PM

"The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

- Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

Guest 12-11-2015 02:19 PM

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen"
—Samuel Adams

Guest 12-11-2015 02:51 PM

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The President has said it is insane to allow people who are on the "No Fly List" to legally purchase guns. The Republicans in Congress will not even discuss the issue. Why not? Is it just because the Democrat President has a very good idea and the Republicans will not go along with ANY idea from this President? Yep, that is the reason.

I also heard a snippet from one of Ted Cruz's speeches in Iowa. He was literally ranting and said it is a "God given right" for Americans to own guns. Where in the Bible does it mention that Americans can own guns?

It is a stupid idea made by an ignorant and stupid person of position. Please give me one name of a mass murderer or terrorist that has killed in the U.S. that was on the "no-fly" list. If a Democrat suggestion is stupid, why would you expect the Republicans to embrace it? To answer your question, it is not that it came from Obama and he is a Democrat/socialist. It's because that suggestion was just plain stupid. Got it?


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