Repealing the 17th Amendment would be no small task - National Constitution Center


I do not not see what good it would do as the same problems would crop up as in the past.

Term limits on Senators might be better but that also poses many problems.

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Repealing the 17th Amendment would be no small task - National Constitution Center


I do not not see what good it would do as the same problems would crop up as in the past.

Term limits on Senators might be better but that also poses many problems.

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Repeal of the 17th Amendment.

No matter how corrupt they may be, no State Legislature is going to send a Femo-Fascist psychopath (like Hillary Clinton) to Washington, who then turns around and tries to impose mountains of Federal crap on the States, e.g. gun control, Obamacare, environmentalism, touchy-feely laws, taxes-taxes-taxes, etc.

The minute they become Beltway-too-big-for-their-britches, they get yanked out of office by the State Legislature.

The Founding Fathers understood this simple mechanism and check on the Federal Govt. They also hated democracy, for the disgusting reasons we can see in Femo-Fascism.

We can start to turn back the Femo-Fascist tide of sewage by Repealing the 17th Amendment.

If not sure why Femo-Fascism is the tide of sewage referred to above, please see Type 2 Laws discussed at

The Magic Sentences of Liberty

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Would a State-Legislature Senator put the idiots we have on the Supreme Court?

Would we have the serial non-declared, un-Constitutional wars we have now with a State-legislature Senate?

Would we have the disgusting high-handed "Scarsdale telling Montana what to put in their gas tank" Federal regulations with a State-legislature Senate?

U.S. Term Limits - Citizen Legislators, Not Career Politicians

Feel free to add more links. America Deserves Term Limits - U.S. Term Limits

Couldn't you expect a State-legislature Senate to impeach a Supreme Court that hands down the crap they do?

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U.S. Term Limits - Citizen Legislators, Not Career Politicians

Feel free to add more links. America Deserves Term Limits - U.S. Term Limits

1) Term Limits are great, but if they aren't constitutional, the legislatures simply overturn them.

2) Not that it makes any difference, but I intentionally avoid Term Limits out of political strategy: the entire establishment hates them, so the battle is MORE uphill than Repealing the 17th.

After all, the Founders set up State-legislature Senate for just the reasons given -- it's a "used to be" -- it's easier to shove down the careerists throats than telling the careerist "you can't make a career of this sh*t".

Again, I don't expend effort on Term Limits for tactical reasons. I think Repealing 17th is easier than Term Limits -- no local Republican tin horn party hack should/would dare oppose Repeal of the 17th.

("Local" because Constitutional Amendments can start at the State/local level).

3) If you're going to consitutionalize Term Limits (a requirement, IMHO, see above), then why not Repeal the 17th while you're at it.

4) Even with Term Limits, you still need/want a Repealed 17th for the State-legislature check on Federal sh*t, which is not to be underestimated (see discussion above).

This is what's difficult about Repealing the 17th -- people don't understand the ego, conceit, and legitimate "self interest" of the State legislature is a CHECK on the Federal aggressiveness.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Repealing the 17th Amendment would be no small task - National Constitution Center


I do not not see what good it would do as the same problems would crop up as in the past.

Term limits on Senators might be better but that also poses many problems.

The pivotal issue here is that Senators would no longer be able to sell their influence to outsiders. I like the idea so far but like most political issues a deeper look is required.

Trump is for term limits but look at the resistance he is meeting on bi-partisan issues. do you think these senators will vote themselves out of a job.

a national referendum is need to the question of term limits and/or repealing the 17th Amendment

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The idea would reduce the amount of time that senators spend trying to get re-elected. Campaigns are mostly about lying to the people of the state, most of whom have no idea what their senator has done. The state legislature is a much better judge of who would best serve their state.

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The idea would reduce the amount of time that senators spend trying to get re-elected. Campaigns are mostly about lying to the people of the state, most of whom have no idea what their senator has done. The state legislature is a much better judge of who would best serve their state.

Come on Jim...you KNOW they're ALL crooked and corrupt. Even the state legislators. If they're in the D or R party...they're corrupt. The party won't put them on the ballot if they haven't pledged allegiance.

Every issue cuts and kicks so people are forced to choose between the best of the worse

Senators both Democrats and Republicans are not earning their pay. and given the invented boondoggles they are costing us much more. If they are not corrupt when they campaign by the time they are elected they have been indoctrinated in Washinton's ways.

Perhaps, the ideal situation is to have voters granted the right that if they fail to produce, live up to their campaign promises, they can fire them immediately

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Every issue cuts and kicks so people are forced to choose between the best of the worse

Senators both Democrats and Republicans are not earning their pay. and given the invented boondoggles they are costing us much more. If they are not corrupt when they campaign by the time they are elected they have been indoctrinated in Washinton's ways.

Perhaps, the ideal situation is to have voters granted the right that if they fail to produce, live up to their campaign promises, they can fire them immediately

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The "ideal" situation is get rid of the 2 party system. No more Ds and Rs.

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The "ideal" situation is get rid of the 2 party system. No more Ds and Rs.

Are you referring to a Unicameral legislature?
Nebraska operates on that principle and the state of Minnesota considered the idea.

However you are just not going to get away from us versus them.

I don't believe the problem is Democrats v Republicans but the diminished caliber of politician running today coupled with the continuing corruption of our government

Politicians had always been concerned with their self-interest but once they had the decency to leave a little on the bone for the rest of us.

In short this nation faces a critical lack of leadership crisis.

i had often wondered why as an additional check and balances there wan't a committee of private citizens to oversee the politicians and the overseers who all fail to honor their duties and responsibilities

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