Originally Posted by RichieLion
If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

Taltarzac725 -
Ah, whatever!


tal - so disappointed in your response.:sad:

Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better". :confused:

and the beat will go on!
 

Is there no end to the negative comments we read and always digging up "old dirt"....Bottom line, buggyone is so right!

On this forum, this is the game....to RUN AWAY from issues...do not discuss...not sure why but trying to figure it out...they post a lot but not about issues thus they like to post and do not KNOW anything about the issues ? Or they like to post but are afraid to discuss issues ?

I dont know....maybe the new way of discussing what is going on in the world is to just call names and see who is cuter or more snarly !!

There are a few ways to respond.

1. I did not start the post and have a right to respond with what I believe is the truth.

2. When you speak of "old dirt", do you disavow Romney's past which seems to be the constant and ONLY theme of defense of the current administration ?

3. When the poster you refer to starts really discussing issues, whenever that might be, then of course he stands a chance at being right. BUT, thus far.....


PS......WILL surely make a deal with you. I will talk ONLY about the current events, ONLY about the issues in this country.....problem is that NOBODY will respond to that at all ever. BUT I would love that deal. Can you get anyone else to go along with that then we will all be happy.

I'm growing old.....not up!!!! :evil6:

You've got to understand that the progressives are so much more enlightened and intelligent than the unwashed masses of their fellow citizens.

I wouldn't call you a communist, but you are certainly an ally, unwitting or not, to the communists and socialists who are infiltrating our government, local and national, and who are being facilitated by our current President.

The communists and socialists and even the Muslim Brotherhood have a foothold in this administration.

You'd be blind not to see it.

And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English

The liberal media went vey soft on Obama and acted as if he was a rock star rather than a guy running for the most powerful office in the world. If someone dared ask a direct questrion they recived the alinsky treatment, which by the way he still continues to do. Just ask the large contributors to romney's campaign that have made Obama's enemies list only for the reason of contributions to the person they feel is fit to run this country. Its akin to the EPA's treatment wherein they follow the Romans lead by roughing up five guys in a conquered village so the rest of the townsfolk follow in line. Its classic and its being practiced through Obama's administration

Perhaps I am wrong but I think the opposite of communist is facist but irrespective you are absolutely correct that these words should not be in this conversation

Buggyone: Again I agree with you. O;reilly just can't keep his mouth shut. However if you think back this has become fashionable for all talk hosts on either side of the fence. Apparently not one of them can wait to hear the period at the end of a sentence. Its distracting and quite frankly if one of these hosts ask me on their show and kept interrupting I would thank them, explain that they could do a one man ask answer and save the viewing public and me time. Its just plain rude! Please bring back the Bill Buckley's so we can have some civil, logical and sensible discourse.

Why were these allegation not dealt with before the 2008 election?
 

The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

Would much prefer to hear what YOU have to say and use something to validate it but most of us are well aware of what is in Wiki, and it has its purpose but is by intent very vague and general. PLUS it is better to hear what a poster thinks, not what they cut and pasted unless thats it I suppose

There is an article in the NYTIMES in the last week on the subject...read that one, and do some browsing on Goldberg (I am pretty sure of the name) who wrote a book on the media coverage in 2008. Then interpet, post and use them as validation

Good post and if I strayed from your thought process I am sorry...I did it only to address comments from other posters.

FORGET the names of the organizations and maybe try and look side by side at the policies and beliefs...that might make it easier.

Bucco: I know its like being on a talk show. At least we are being bombarded by print and not voices. God can you imagine being a guess on the View or The Talk. Its like commiting"scabble sucide":pepper2:

Obama has appointed Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. Alikhan once called Hezballah a “liberation movement”, and he participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Like ISNA, MPAC has links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Don't doubt me Tal, I'm not like some of these lefties who post tripe. I know what I'm talking about. We have a socialist and a muslim extremist sympathizer as President, and that's the best I can say for him.


Muslim Brotherhood appointed to Homeland Security Council – Glenn Beck

Barack Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood | FrontPage Magazine

This is why we have elections. In 2008 the democratic primary went on from Feb until June with countless debates between the candidates. Based on all this campaigning and information, the voters spoke loud and clear on election day in November 2008.

Some folks do not care the direction of the country...only that their party comes out on top !!!

A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.

The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens.

Enter Percy Sutton.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVO8MZYXo8]Percy Sutton (Malcom X's Lawyer) Says Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Advisor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Part II - YouTube[/ame]

This might explain it. State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com

GOOD GOLLY....DID YOU READ YOUR LINK YOU PROVIDED ????/

These state laws are simply turning over illegal immigrants...they are not arresting anyone, but forcing the federal government to do their job.

The poster said this..."The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens."

HOW DOES YOUR LINK EXPLAIN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT ENFORCIING IMMIGRATION LAWS AND THE'RE SCREWWING Arizona CITIZENS ?

Please explain how this explains it. It simply explains what we all know and what the court implied last week was the problem, SO AGAIN...How does that link explain anymore ?????/

Next, this is the same as the healthcare bill. Obama lied, paid blackmail, forgot totally what the bill was supposed to be as he promised and now it is in the Supreme Court. If it is overturned and those who lose coverage as a result should be livid at this man....as they should be relative to the Arizona law, as he is the one pushing this stuff and trying to rid of that troublesome phrase states rights.

Again, how does that link explain the post you were replying to ????/

From the article about states passing their own immigration rules.
 

"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes

Hussein wants everything to be federal....everything...Hussein needs all of us dependent on the Federal Gvt

By your argument if the local government was not enforcing law in you neighborhood, you would be at the mercy of the criminal element.

You would have no right to overstep the enforcement powers of the state to defend hearth and home.

Are not the people of Arizona free citizens with the right to defend themselves?

I had thought of putting this on as a Private Message at first.

I worked for 36 years with the Dept. of Veterans benefits and truly am put off by Richie's post. I did PM him about it, too.

The benefits provided are the profits. It is said that the VA benefits about50% of the citizens in the US. The VA is divided into 3 parts: The Veterans Health Administration, the Veterans Benefits Administration, and the National Cemetery System.

1. The health administration takes in all the VA hospitals and clinics nationwide. They care for veterans from the remaining WWII vets to the recent Afghanistan vets with the most modern techniques and well trained medical staff. I am sure l lots of the readers have used VA benefits at the VA hospitals or clinics either in Florida or wherever you came from.

2. The benefits administration takes in VA guaranteed home loans, educational benefits for veterans, their widows, and children, monthly pensions for disabled veterans as well as for their widows and children, insurance, and job training when needed. How many of us used VA benefits for college after we got out of the military or for buying our first home? I know I did. Does it work perfectly? Not all the time but improvements are constantly being made.

3. The cemetery system took over all the military cemeteries in the US back in the 1980's. With the exception of Arlington and a few others, all are under the care and administration of the VA. Any veteran is eligible for free burial at a national cemetery as well as their spouse. This is a growing administration as the WWII vets are dying at a rate of about 1,000 per day.

I was in the staffing part of HR for a lot of my career. I cannot estimate how many Vietnam-era veterans that I placed into a job or a career. Not all were success stories but many, many were. I am proud to say that I worked for the VA and that I was able to help veterans find a job when they needed it after they served their country.

Do not bash the federal government as a whole. Sure, there are areas of it that are not needed. Do not say that the federal government employee is sucking at the public trough. Most are hard workers and take their jobs seriously. I am sure some might point out federal workers who are slugs - but there are many of those in private industry. One of my co-workers claimed to have relatives "who were connected" and were phantom employees of the New York Post. Just had to show up on payday. Look at some of the "customer service representatives" we have all had to deal with before coming to The Villages. Slugs!

Anyhow, off my soapbox. This really does not need any replies but I was steamed at the posting about federal workers who get their salaries fort not being in jobs that have to show a profit. The profit is not in dollars but in the betterment or service to people.

Thanks for taking the time to read this rant. I do feel better now having written it. Richie is still my friend and I know his viewpoints, too.

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Yeah, Why Are You Repeating It?
 

My goodness, these things have been thrown up by the right for three years. Obama was duly elected, has served three years, and no one has been able to prove any of the allegations in the video.

Why bother with this stuff? If you don't like Obama, vote for Romney in the fall. Then I'd suggest that we all support whomever our duly elected President turns out to be. It seems self-destructive to me to continue the diatribe of hatred for the person who met all the Constitutional requirements for candidacy and was elected. The good of the country is more important than four more years of expressions of hatred and obstructionism by either the right or left.

If you really believe in the Constitution, then follow its requirements and then accept the results until the next time you get a choice...however the election turns out.

Your points are well taken.

NOW, if we could only get Hussein to respect the constitution, we would be on to something

It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?

I remember one poster who answered that by saying that Pres. Obama used all 3 names in his swearing in ceremony so it was perfectly acceptable to do also. I think EVERY president uses his entire name when being sworn into office.

This is just a flaming by a poster who wants to try and get others angry.

I actually am disappointed in those that are intelligent but show a lack of imagination.

It just shows total lack of respect for the office of president by ignorant people. I guess since Willard Mitt Romney goes by his middle name, it's going to be the norm until election day.

So it is not nice sharing the board with someone who shows such disrespect and resorts to using names like this ? WOW...go figure.

Actually, you are correct...they do not use middle names for Presidents...I have seen "Junior", "the ignorant one" and a few others that escape me but correct...they all do use their names EXCEPT ...posters on here do not however.

Now, as regards to disrespect....I was under the impression after hearing what SENATOR Bachmann was called, and a few others that I was ok with at using a given name....you really cannot figure it out...I am so dumb and now I am being lectured on having respect.....I am so embarrased by showing so little respect.

WOW...go figure !

Yes you are right....Junior will just have to get used it uh ?

And since you called me ignorant, I will learn from your posts from now on...will review them for respect for all and how detailed and driven by issues they are. Just will learn everything there is to know about politics and how to be respectful from you.

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It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?
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I did not say anything about "respect". I said HATRED directed toward the President based upon his non-mainstream name of foreign extract.

Unless Michelle Bachmann's middle name is "Minnesota Moron", I was not insulting her background but only her intelligence.

And if you noticed in my posting, I called you intelligent - which I certainly think is true.

Still the question to you was, and still is "What is your purpose of calling President Obama by the name of Hussein?"

The answer is easy. I am trying to learn from you on how to do the right thing. I thought, and again showing my stupidity, that Hussein was his given name and could not see that being insulting. Why is that insulting may I ask ?

I see the way to go.....like you call names I need to come up with a name to make fun of the President instead of using his real name.

I think I got it....will give it a try....gotta work on a good name to insult him good,huh?

Help me a bit....cant use what you used to insult...on this particular one, and you have posted some great insults...you used the state...so I could go for Hawaii and then add an insult at the end huh ? OR....as you like to use Mittens for Romney, I could come up with a variation on the Presidents name.

Thanks so much..this NOT READING and verifying what I say and simply coming up with insults is already clearing my schedule..no more reading or thinking about issues...thank you