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Guest 04-27-2012 05:12 PM

Some folks do not care the direction of the country...only that their party comes out on top !!!

Guest 04-27-2012 05:27 PM

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Some folks do not care the direction of the country...only that their party comes out on top !!!

A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.

Guest 04-27-2012 06:32 PM

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I have heard all of this before. Do not have to actually look at it to see that. The Supreme Court is exercising it right at ruling on issues that have not been covered before. That means that President Obama is making a difference even if the Court knocks down ObamaCare and rules in favor of the Arizona law on immigration. Some of the law on immigration in Arizona sounds like it goes way too far and steps on a power only reserved for the Federal Government.

The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens.

Guest 04-27-2012 06:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 484606)
The question posed in the original post was, "why does this story continue to be repeated"? I'd refrained from asking and answering the question. So let me ask it another way, "does this story continue because there is sufficient credible information that it merits further investigation"? If untrue it is a vile and vacious attack. If true it can only be with the support and financing of some of the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world.

Enter Percy Sutton.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVO8MZYXo8]Percy Sutton (Malcom X's Lawyer) Says Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Advisor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Part II - YouTube[/ame]

Guest 04-27-2012 06:43 PM

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The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens.

This might explain it. State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com

Guest 04-27-2012 07:17 PM

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GOOD GOLLY....DID YOU READ YOUR LINK YOU PROVIDED ????/

These state laws are simply turning over illegal immigrants...they are not arresting anyone, but forcing the federal government to do their job.

The poster said this..."The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens."

HOW DOES YOUR LINK EXPLAIN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT ENFORCIING IMMIGRATION LAWS AND THE'RE SCREWWING Arizona CITIZENS ?

Please explain how this explains it. It simply explains what we all know and what the court implied last week was the problem, SO AGAIN...How does that link explain anymore ?????/

Next, this is the same as the healthcare bill. Obama lied, paid blackmail, forgot totally what the bill was supposed to be as he promised and now it is in the Supreme Court. If it is overturned and those who lose coverage as a result should be livid at this man....as they should be relative to the Arizona law, as he is the one pushing this stuff and trying to rid of that troublesome phrase states rights.

Again, how does that link explain the post you were replying to ????/

Guest 04-28-2012 06:33 AM

From the article about states passing their own immigration rules.
 
"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes

Guest 04-28-2012 08:41 AM

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"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes

Hussein wants everything to be federal....everything...Hussein needs all of us dependent on the Federal Gvt

Guest 04-28-2012 08:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 485352)
"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes

By your argument if the local government was not enforcing law in you neighborhood, you would be at the mercy of the criminal element.

You would have no right to overstep the enforcement powers of the state to defend hearth and home.

Are not the people of Arizona free citizens with the right to defend themselves?

Guest 04-28-2012 09:09 AM

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A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.

I had thought of putting this on as a Private Message at first.

I worked for 36 years with the Dept. of Veterans benefits and truly am put off by Richie's post. I did PM him about it, too.

The benefits provided are the profits. It is said that the VA benefits about50% of the citizens in the US. The VA is divided into 3 parts: The Veterans Health Administration, the Veterans Benefits Administration, and the National Cemetery System.

1. The health administration takes in all the VA hospitals and clinics nationwide. They care for veterans from the remaining WWII vets to the recent Afghanistan vets with the most modern techniques and well trained medical staff. I am sure l lots of the readers have used VA benefits at the VA hospitals or clinics either in Florida or wherever you came from.

2. The benefits administration takes in VA guaranteed home loans, educational benefits for veterans, their widows, and children, monthly pensions for disabled veterans as well as for their widows and children, insurance, and job training when needed. How many of us used VA benefits for college after we got out of the military or for buying our first home? I know I did. Does it work perfectly? Not all the time but improvements are constantly being made.

3. The cemetery system took over all the military cemeteries in the US back in the 1980's. With the exception of Arlington and a few others, all are under the care and administration of the VA. Any veteran is eligible for free burial at a national cemetery as well as their spouse. This is a growing administration as the WWII vets are dying at a rate of about 1,000 per day.

I was in the staffing part of HR for a lot of my career. I cannot estimate how many Vietnam-era veterans that I placed into a job or a career. Not all were success stories but many, many were. I am proud to say that I worked for the VA and that I was able to help veterans find a job when they needed it after they served their country.

Do not bash the federal government as a whole. Sure, there are areas of it that are not needed. Do not say that the federal government employee is sucking at the public trough. Most are hard workers and take their jobs seriously. I am sure some might point out federal workers who are slugs - but there are many of those in private industry. One of my co-workers claimed to have relatives "who were connected" and were phantom employees of the New York Post. Just had to show up on payday. Look at some of the "customer service representatives" we have all had to deal with before coming to The Villages. Slugs!

Anyhow, off my soapbox. This really does not need any replies but I was steamed at the posting about federal workers who get their salaries fort not being in jobs that have to show a profit. The profit is not in dollars but in the betterment or service to people.

Thanks for taking the time to read this rant. I do feel better now having written it. Richie is still my friend and I know his viewpoints, too.

Guest 04-28-2012 09:14 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 485183)
A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.


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Guest 04-28-2012 09:22 AM

Yeah, Why Are You Repeating It?
 
My goodness, these things have been thrown up by the right for three years. Obama was duly elected, has served three years, and no one has been able to prove any of the allegations in the video.

Why bother with this stuff? If you don't like Obama, vote for Romney in the fall. Then I'd suggest that we all support whomever our duly elected President turns out to be. It seems self-destructive to me to continue the diatribe of hatred for the person who met all the Constitutional requirements for candidacy and was elected. The good of the country is more important than four more years of expressions of hatred and obstructionism by either the right or left.

If you really believe in the Constitution, then follow its requirements and then accept the results until the next time you get a choice...however the election turns out.

Guest 04-28-2012 09:24 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 485439)
My goodness, these things have been thrown up by the right for three years. Obama was duly elected, has served three years, and no one has been able to prove any of the allegations in the video.

Why bother with this stuff? If you don't like Obama, vote for Romney in the fall. Then I'd suggest that we all support whomever our duly elected President turns out to be. It seems self-destructive to me to continue the diatribe of hatred for the person who met all the Constitutional requirements for candidacy and is elected. The good of the country is more important than four more years of expressions of hatred and obstructionism by either the right or left.

If you really believe in the Constitution, then follow its requirements and then accept the results until the next time you get a choice...however the election turns out.

Your points are well taken.

NOW, if we could only get Hussein to respect the constitution, we would be on to something

Guest 04-28-2012 10:18 AM

It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?

I remember one poster who answered that by saying that Pres. Obama used all 3 names in his swearing in ceremony so it was perfectly acceptable to do also. I think EVERY president uses his entire name when being sworn into office.

This is just a flaming by a poster who wants to try and get others angry.

I actually am disappointed in those that are intelligent but show a lack of imagination.

Guest 04-28-2012 10:36 AM

It just shows total lack of respect for the office of president by ignorant people. I guess since Willard Mitt Romney goes by his middle name, it's going to be the norm until election day.


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