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Guest 07-25-2011 04:24 PM

If any of you think a right wing religious fundamentalist who is openly anti-gay and thinks all immigrants are evil can get elected you are reading and watching the wrong things. Yes,Obama can be beaten but not by Bachman. We as a country tend to be a conservative lot but to the majority of Americans including Repubs she is not the answer. Her beliefs are far too conservative for most of us.

Guest 07-25-2011 04:42 PM

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If any of you think a right wing religious fundamentalist who is openly anti-gay and thinks all immigrants are evil can get elected you are reading and watching the wrong things. Yes,Obama can be beaten but not by Bachman. We as a country tend to be a conservative lot but to the majority of Americans including Repubs she is not the answer. Her beliefs are far too conservative for most of us.

Bachmann is anti-gay? Funny, Obama was against gay marriage while he was campaigning. Now he flip flopped and is for gay marriage. What does that tell you?
Like I said before, the mainstream media said that Ronald Reagan was too conservative for America. He won by a landslide because America is a conservative nation. The Tea Party is America.

Guest 07-25-2011 06:09 PM

Ronald Reagan hiked taxes. He compromised with Democrats. He supported amnesty for illegal immigrants. He negotiated with our most hated enemy (the USSR).

Ronald Reagan would never get the nomination in today's GOP.

Guest 07-25-2011 08:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 374471)
Ronald Reagan hiked taxes. He compromised with Democrats. He supported amnesty for illegal immigrants. He negotiated with our most hated enemy (the USSR).

Ronald Reagan would never get the nomination in today's GOP.

Why wouldn't he? He was against big government and that is the problem we face today. Government is expanding, can you not see that?

Guest 07-26-2011 08:08 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 374471)
Ronald Reagan hiked taxes. He compromised with Democrats. He supported amnesty for illegal immigrants. He negotiated with our most hated enemy (the USSR).

Ronald Reagan would never get the nomination in today's GOP.

Sadly, I agree with you on that. These days the "base" constituencies on both left and right use "litmus tests" far more often than they ever did "back in the day". They won't consider a candidate who has a platform or a personal history which doesn't completely meet all their individual tests for their qualifications. As the result we often get candidates who have only minimal experience or a record to be evaluated by the electorate. Such less-than-qualified candidates pass the litmuses of the extreme ideologists because even though they might not project to be an effective national leader they pass all the narrow litmus tests laid down to screen them, most of which have nothing to do with how they might govern. We've had examples of this in both political parties in recent elections. Yes, I too wish we could go back to the days when candidates for important offices were respected for their record and accomplishments, then took responsibility for governing and had the skills and experience to act like the statesmen they are supposed to be.

Guest 07-26-2011 09:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 374519)
Why wouldn't he? He was against big government and that is the problem we face today. Government is expanding, can you not see that?

Read what I wrote.

Would the GOP throw it's money behind a person who compromised the way Regan did? No - it's all about signing pledges and towing the Party Line.

Again, Reagan hiked some taxes, signed amnesty, made deals. He stuck to his principles but didn't sit in a corner, stamp his feet and hold his breath and generally throw a temper tantrum when he didn't get his own way.

Guest 07-26-2011 09:38 AM

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Sadly, I agree with you on that. These days the "base" constituencies on both left and right use "litmus tests" far more often than they ever did "back in the day". They won't consider a candidate who has a platform or a personal history which doesn't completely meet all their individual tests for their qualifications. As the result we often get candidates who have only minimal experience or a record to be evaluated by the electorate. Such less-than-qualified candidates pass the litmuses of the extreme ideologists because even though they might not project to be an effective national leader they pass all the narrow litmus tests laid down to screen them, most of which have nothing to do with how they might govern. We've had examples of this in both political parties in recent elections. Yes, I too wish we could go back to the days when candidates for important offices were respected for their record and accomplishments, then took responsibility for governing and had the skills and experience to act like the statesmen they are supposed to be.

Sounds like Obama's profile.

Guest 08-08-2011 06:28 PM

Third Party Candidate?
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 373986)
on this forum really don't get it. They live in a bubble down here, and frequently interact with like-minded people who serve to validate their right-wing opinions. However, it's a big country out there and most sane people don't support far right policies. Anyone who thinks that either Bachmann or Rick Santorum can win a general election has a few screws loose.

If the Republicans nominate a moderate, the Tea Party may be foolish enough to pull a Ralph Nader and lose the general election to Obama.

Guest 08-08-2011 07:39 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 374631)
Sounds like Obama's profile.

Did you bother to read my next sentence after the one you highlighted? Here it is again...
"We've had examples of this in both political parties in recent elections."

Guest 08-08-2011 07:53 PM

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Read what I wrote.

Would the GOP throw it's money behind a person who compromised the way Regan did? No - it's all about signing pledges and towing the Party Line.

Again, Reagan hiked some taxes, signed amnesty, made deals. He stuck to his principles but didn't sit in a corner, stamp his feet and hold his breath and generally throw a temper tantrum when he didn't get his own way.

It's called leadership and that is what is missing today! Agree with you are 100% that Reagan made deals as did Bill Clinton, we have a spoiled child as our President today. He's leading from behind.


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