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Guest 08-30-2011 08:14 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388100)
Hey, take it easy on Al Gore. Without Al, we wouldn't be posting on this wonderful forum. Remember, Al invented the internet . . . :laugh:

Your right of course, and don't forget that the movie Love Story was actually based on him and his wife.:laugh:

Guest 08-30-2011 08:26 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388085)
BKCunningham,

"By your comments, you are telling me that it has recently been decided that things aren't as scientists have previously thought and believed they were with Mitochondrial DNA and dating? The prior dating methods were flawed? Is that what you are saying? They are correct this time, for certain? And the previous theory is wrong and has been disproven? Hmmm"

No, I did not say anything nor post anything about prior dating methods being flawed. The article I posted had nothing in it about dating methods or previus theory being wrong and disproven. Please go back and re-read what in in my posting - the summary of the article by Ann Gibbons.

Anyhow, at your request, I will not belabor this anymore. I hope to remain on good terms with you.

We are on good terms, buggyone.

I was commenting on the demise of Mitochondrial Eve. Your post made no sense to me in that regard, but I assumed you knew what you were talking about. I honestly couldn't understand what you were trying to say about the dating methods with your summary of Gibbons' article. I couldn't get access to the article you gave a summary to since it is by subscription only. I assumed you were responding to my two links showing that the methods of dating human beginnings have been proven wrong.

"Philip Awadalla and his coworkers noted in Science: 'Many inferences about the pattern and tempo of human evolution and mtDNA evolution have been based on the assumption of clonal inheritance. There inferences will now have to be reconsidered' (1999, 286:2525). However, rather than merely 'reconsidering' their theory and attempting to revamp it accordingly, evolutionists need to admit, honestly and forthrightly, that 'mitochondrial Eve,' as it turns out, has existed only in their minds, not in the facts of the real world. Science works by analyzing the data and forming hypotheses based on those data. Science is not supposed to massage the data until they fit a certain preconceived hypothesis. All of the conclusions that have been drawn from research on mitochondrial Eve via the molecular clock must now be discarded as unreliable. A funeral and interment are in order for mitochondrial Eve."

Anyway, all is well. Enjoy your golf game if you play today.

http://www.trueorigin.org/mitochondrialeve01.asp

Guest 08-30-2011 03:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388117)
We are on good terms, buggyone.

I was commenting on the demise of Mitochondrial Eve. Your post made no sense to me in that regard, but I assumed you knew what you were talking about. I honestly couldn't understand what you were trying to say about the dating methods with your summary of Gibbons' article. I couldn't get access to the article you gave a summary to since it is by subscription only. I assumed you were responding to my two links showing that the methods of dating human beginnings have been proven wrong.

"Philip Awadalla and his coworkers noted in Science: 'Many inferences about the pattern and tempo of human evolution and mtDNA evolution have been based on the assumption of clonal inheritance. There inferences will now have to be reconsidered' (1999, 286:2525). However, rather than merely 'reconsidering' their theory and attempting to revamp it accordingly, evolutionists need to admit, honestly and forthrightly, that 'mitochondrial Eve,' as it turns out, has existed only in their minds, not in the facts of the real world. Science works by analyzing the data and forming hypotheses based on those data. Science is not supposed to massage the data until they fit a certain preconceived hypothesis. All of the conclusions that have been drawn from research on mitochondrial Eve via the molecular clock must now be discarded as unreliable. A funeral and interment are in order for mitochondrial Eve."

Anyway, all is well. Enjoy your golf game if you play today.

http://www.trueorigin.org/mitochondrialeve01.asp

You articulate well. I posted about 5 million undiscovered species only to delinate that there is so much we do not understand about our earth and species living above or below it (wide gaps) that the best scientist can do is guess. Evolution is still theory and scientist posit based on speculation. the Theory of evolution is unsettled science and will continue to be unsettled, certainly for my lifetime

So from a practical standpoint my belief in evolution is unsettled. Bottom line it makes for interesting reading and has been a great source of some fun loving science fiction movies

Guest 08-30-2011 03:35 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388117)
Science works by analyzing the data and forming hypotheses based on those data. Science is not supposed to massage the data until they fit a certain preconceived hypothesis.

AMEN!!!! Pretty sure we learned that in 7th grade. True scientists never forget the foundations of their trade... it's those that can be bought that disregard it.

Guest 08-30-2011 04:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388282)
AMEN!!!! Pretty sure we learned that in 7th grade. True scientists never forget the foundations of their trade... it's those that can be bought that disregard it.

Amen. Reminds me of the so-called scientists that sold their soul for government funds to investigate "global warming." Of course they fudged the numbers so they would get more government grants (read money) allocated for the next year. They sound more like whores then people of science.
But, hey you got to earn a living.:laugh:

Guest 08-31-2011 02:36 AM

Does all this mean we should disregard science and go back to the caves and again worship the Sun God, Rain God, Thunder God etc etc. Or perhaps we should only go back far enough to worship Buddha, Mohammad, Satin or Jesus Christ. We are making progress, so don't go primitive on me now. Even religion is evolving. Wake up children, without science, almost everyone living in The Villages today would be dead and gone. GGGGEEEEZZZZZ!!!!!

Guest 08-31-2011 06:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388432)
Does all this mean we should disregard science and go back to the caves and again worship the Sun God, Rain God, Thunder God etc etc. Or perhaps we should only go back far enough to worship Buddha, Mohammad, Satin or Jesus Christ. We are making progress, so don't go primitive on me now. Even religion is evolving. Wake up children, without science, almost everyone living in The Villages today would be dead and gone. GGGGEEEEZZZZZ!!!!!

:agree: My only point all along is that scientist are human and error for many reasons including having too big ego's or making unfounded claims to gain attention..............Again we can't find 5-7 million species some in our own back yard but scientist make claims that stretch the imagination. Having said all of that I fully support continuation in exploration of earth and the solar system and was disappointed that the NASA program was cancelled. Finally I do believe scientist have a solid foundation in evolution but believe other possibilities ought to be explored. Its like any investigation where you focus on only one possibility at the exclusions of others. Soon you find yourself so invested that you lose objectivity

Guest 08-31-2011 08:31 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 388459)
:agree: My only point all along is that scientist are human and error for many reasons including having too big ego's or making unfounded claims to gain attention..............Again we can't find 5-7 million species some in our own back yard but scientist make claims that stretch the imagination. Having said all of that I fully support continuation in exploration of earth and the solar system and was disappointed that the NASA program was cancelled. Finally I do believe scientist have a solid foundation in evolution but believe other possibilities ought to be explored. Its like any investigation where you focus on only one possibility at the exclusions of others. Soon you find yourself so invested that you lose objectivity

Agree. Thanks for your fair and well you know. I like anything that has been properly thought out and you explain that well.


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