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Guest 09-05-2011 09:54 AM

If you want to know about border security here is a site that will keep you informed http://www.americanpatrol.com/

Having lived for many years next to the border this individual is right on. Most of what takes place on the border never makes the major media outlets.

The Border Wars did not start until the US started building fenses. The US closed off the major drug/human smuggling routes and now the cartels are fighting over those that are left. IF, the US secured the border and cut off all drug/human smuggling how long do you think the Border Wars would last? Good fenses in some cases makes for good neighbors.

Guest 09-05-2011 10:04 AM

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I'm sure Gov. Perry has made some decisions that has annoyed your sister.

Annoyed my sister? Who hasn't?... She is as far left as they come. Even sent big bucks in support of Obama for President! There is not discussing any of this with her anyway.
But thank you very much for the videos!

Guest 09-05-2011 11:10 AM

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Florida like Ohio is an important swing state. Once the word gets out there that Perry regards Social Security as a ponzi scheme he will lose Florida and other retiree states also.

You gentlemen at the villages are a small minority. Older Americans vote in much larger percentages than the rest of the population. With Perry Social Security will be a factor.

I don't think you give us geezers enough credit. Most people are aware that it is a Ponzi scheme. Most people are aware that the numbers will not add up. Most people are aware that it is a pay as we go system and that in the near future there will be like 3 people trying to support 1 person who is on SS.
Geezers do not automatically turn stupid as they age.

Guest 09-05-2011 12:52 PM

I have not seen any of you "Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme" believers rush to give your Social Security checks back to the government.

Oh yeah, "we put our money in it every payday". You will have taken far more out in monthly benefits than you ever put in it.

Chances are if you would have been allowed to take whatever FICA deduction every pay day and invest it for yourself with no other retirement provided at all, you would not be able to live in such a nice place as The Villages.

Guest 09-05-2011 12:59 PM

I figured it out one day that the money deducted from my pay check for the last 50 years compounded would let me live very comfortably in the Villages, thank-you.

Guest 09-05-2011 01:17 PM

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I have not seen any of you "Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme" believers rush to give your Social Security checks back to the government.

Oh yeah, "we put our money in it every payday". You will have taken far more out in monthly benefits than you ever put in it.

Chances are if you would have been allowed to take whatever FICA deduction every pay day and invest it for yourself with no other retirement provided at all, you would not be able to live in such a nice place as The Villages.

How about explaining how it's not like a Ponzi scheme. I would like to see you wiggle around that topic.

I am not yet old enough to collect on my Social Security, as you know (coming soon though). I was not consulted; I was not given a choice; and I then had my pocket picked and the money taken put into the Federal Governments's General Fund and told they'll set up a security net for me I never asked for.

Now because I criticize how the government handled this crazy underfunded scheme you think that I should not even collect money that was forcibly extricated from my pocket for the last 50 years?

Guest 09-05-2011 02:35 PM

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I have not seen any of you "Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme" believers rush to give your Social Security checks back to the government.

Since I don't receive a Social Security check to give back, could you provide me with the line that I get into to have the hand of the government out of my current paycheck? Mr. Katz has been doing extremely well in the stock market lately and I'd like to let him have some fun with my money too...It's only fair, since Uncle Sam has had his turn with it and failed miserably!

Guest 09-06-2011 11:56 AM

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I figured it out one day that the money deducted from my pay check for the last 50 years compounded would let me live very comfortably in the Villages, thank-you.

And double that, as your employer had to match your "contribution". I am still waiting to hear how this is not a Ponzi scheme. Ask yourself, if workers would stop paying into it today, how long would the plan assets last? Yeah, that is what I thought.

Guest 09-06-2011 12:25 PM

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And double that, as your employer had to match your "contribution". I am still waiting to hear how this is not a Ponzi scheme. Ask yourself, if workers would stop paying into it today, how long would the plan assets last? Yeah, that is what I thought.

You are right. I could have purchased one of those million dollar houses on Lake Miona.

Guest 09-06-2011 01:22 PM

Forget polls they are all self serving. The presidential race all comes down to the Electoral College. If the past is prologue then approx 85 votes are undecided and fall on 7 super swing states, florida with 29 votes being one.

The immigration debate is a mess because the government failed to act owing to the politics of it all. Supply will follow demand and so if the US is serious they will bear down on employers who take advantage of this situation...but they won't. The war on drugs has similar problems and consequences. So the border protection is a convient distraction for politicians

Those of us who have been paying into social security over these many years take umbrage at politicians who refer to it as an "entitlement". Had Congress properly secured the contributions made into social security wherein payment would have been only for social security receipients these many years there would not be this debate as social security would be well financed.

My view is that its never too late. Congress can right its wrong with various adjustments. Why do I favor a social security plan. Because as an ex-Human Resource guy I can't tell you the number of workers, for any given reason, could not or would not voluntarily enter a savings plan, will do it in a hodge podge manner or periodically withdraw all the have saved. At least with social security they will be forced to defer some of their pay. Why do I care? Because without social security these folks would look to the government for a hand out. At least I am satisified that a they have contributed a portion of their pay to their support thus reducing taxpayer contribution for any aditional welfare. For those who invest in investments savings then social security will act as an additional layer of protection.

I do acknowledge the chances of Congress acting intelligently concerning this issue is negible

Guest 09-06-2011 02:16 PM

Rubicon's statement of: : Because as an ex-Human Resource guy I can't tell you the number of workers, for any given reason, could not or would not voluntarily enter a savings plan, will do it in a hodge podge manner or periodically withdraw all the have saved. At least with social security they will be forced to defer some of their pay. Why do I care? Because without social security these folks would look to the government for a hand out. At least I am satisified that a they have contributed a portion of their pay to their support thus reducing taxpayer contribution for any aditional welfare. For those who invest in investments savings then social security will act as an additional layer of protection." is 100% correct.

Just how many employees would actually put money aside every payday and keep it in a savings plan if not "forced". Hardly any, ist the answer.

Guest 09-06-2011 02:20 PM

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How about explaining how it's not like a Ponzi scheme. I would like to see you wiggle around that topic.

I am not yet old enough to collect on my Social Security, as you know (coming soon though). I was not consulted; I was not given a choice; and I then had my pocket picked and the money taken put into the Federal Governments's General Fund and told they'll set up a security net for me I never asked for.

Now because I criticize how the government handled this crazy underfunded scheme you think that I should not even collect money that was forcibly extricated from my pocket for the last 50 years?

Ya shoulda bought your own island. :cus:

Guest 09-06-2011 02:32 PM

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Ya shoulda bought your own island. :cus:

Isn't it nice that LBJ raided the social security funds for the War on Poverty and Vietnam? How did they turn out? Great investments, huh?

Guest 09-06-2011 04:50 PM

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Rubicon's statement of: : Because as an ex-Human Resource guy I can't tell you the number of workers, for any given reason, could not or would not voluntarily enter a savings plan, will do it in a hodge podge manner or periodically withdraw all the have saved. At least with social security they will be forced to defer some of their pay. Why do I care? Because without social security these folks would look to the government for a hand out. At least I am satisified that a they have contributed a portion of their pay to their support thus reducing taxpayer contribution for any aditional welfare. For those who invest in investments savings then social security will act as an additional layer of protection." is 100% correct.

Just how many employees would actually put money aside every payday and keep it in a savings plan if not "forced". Hardly any, ist the answer.

Whether people will save for their future is a straw argument now, in a sense. The Social Security took mine and everyone else's money and didn't save it either. They spent it and put an IOU in our future. NOW, they don't know how they're going to make good on all those IOU's, and won't discuss it.

I can mismanage my own money. I didn't need the government to do it.

Guest 09-06-2011 06:14 PM

At least give us a choice. Either sign up for Uncle Sam to handle your money or go it alone with no option to come back for help after retirement...This is downright theft! Take our money under false pretense that you will get it back?


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