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Guest 08-14-2012 11:42 AM

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Take a gander at this link and tell me that the majority of people believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

The link shows that the Romney/Ryan team would lose big time if the election was held right now.

Latest 2012 Presidential Polls


and take a gander at this link: Direction of Country

do you think the same folks participated in each of the polls cited by each of our links?

do you think the people who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction are going to vote, much less when they do vote are going pull a lever for obama/biden whom they think are leading the country astray?

please explain the rationale where if one believes that the current administration is leading the country in the wrong direction, how can they be expected to enter a voting booth and vote for the people responsible for doing so?

Guest 08-14-2012 11:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 540250)
and take a gander at this link: Direction of Country

do you think the same folks participated in each of the polls cited by each of our links?

do you think the people who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction are going to vote, much less when they do vote are going pull a lever for obama/biden whom they think are leading the country astray?

please explain the rationale where if one believes that the current administration is leading the country in the wrong direction, how can they be expected to enter a voting booth and vote for the people responsible for doing so?

njbchbum....arguin using common senses will get you no where. Politics, didnt you know, is about character assassination...digging up dirt.

Oh, and only show and talk about polls when they are good for your guy....

This may not seem like it is good for the country, but......discussing the actual issues facing us is simply a waste of time.

Guest 08-14-2012 11:59 AM

ElectoralVote

Guest 08-14-2012 12:51 PM

This may explain the obvious push to ignore anything that vaguely is close to issues from certain posters on here.

"If this year's election is going to be decided on the basis of hard facts, the Obama administration is doomed. But the Obama campaign is well aware of that, which is why we are hearing so many distracting innuendoes and outright lies about such peripheral issues as what Mitt Romney is supposed to have done while running Bain Capital -- or even what is supposed to have happened at Bain Capital, years after Mitt Romney was long gone."

The Paul Ryan Choice | RealClearPolitics

I suppose that this from the same article explains the now need to defame Ryan instead of talking about issues...

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Anyone who wants to get a quick sense of who Paul Ryan is should watch a short video of a February 2010 meeting in which Congressman Ryan politely, but devastatingly, "schools" Barack Obama on the utter fraudulence of the statistics that the Obama administration was using to claim that ObamaCare would reduce the deficit. That video is available on the Drudge Report.

As a long-time member, and now chairman, of the Budget Committee in the House of Representatives, Paul Ryan is thoroughly familiar with both the facts and the fictions in the federal government's budget. In recent years, the fictions have grown much bigger than the facts. But, as Congressman Ryan reminded the president, hiding spending is not the same as reducing spending."


Oh I cannot wait until the debates !!!!!!!

Guest 08-14-2012 01:09 PM

You guys couldn't wait for debates the last time around as well.

The Navy war hero and POW - a 25 year veteran and distinguished US Senator from Arizona, who was going to clean the floor up with the community organizer.

How'd that turn out?

Guest 08-14-2012 01:11 PM

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You guys couldn't wait for debates the last time around as well.

The Navy war hero and POW - a 25 year veteran and distinguished US Senator from Arizona, who was going to clean the floor up with the community organizer.

How'd that turn out?

And this is about Jobs, economy, deficit...which ?


I might add, for what it is worth, is that both McCain and Romney have not only avoided but turned down tons of money to pursue the character issue...just for what it is worth, but again.....lets talk about ISSUES

Guest 08-14-2012 01:26 PM

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This quote is from Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff, Erskine Bowles, ONE year ago...

"“Have any of you all met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing. ... He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did, by $4 trillion. … The president as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing."

Cut This Ad! Clinton COS on Ryan:

Erskine Bowles must be really disappointed that Congressman Paul Ryan didn't support the Simpson-Bowles plan that he worked on.

Guest 08-14-2012 01:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 540331)
Erskine Bowles must be really disappointed that Congressman Paul Ryan didn't support the Simpson-Bowles plan that he worked on.

erskine bowles is disappointed that a lot more folks than paul ryan didn't support the plan, too! ;)

Guest 08-14-2012 01:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 540209)
Don't count on Mitt Romney growing a set anytime soon. Yesterday he canceled an appearance in Orlando for no apparent reason. Could it be that he was afraid to explain his cuts to Medicare to seniors? Then Romney traveled to Miami and never mentioned Medicare or Cuba.

Congressman Paul Ryan will be traveling to central Florida next week-end to explain his cuts to Medicare to seniors.

Good observation, it appears that Mitt's first adrenaline rush has petered out and it's back to old vanilla Mitt. Good luck to Mr. Ryan trying to explain it.

When is either side going to bring up illegal immigration? Mr. Ryan is suppose to be a numbers whiz kid. How much does illegal immigration cost the taxpayers? You want hear it.

Guest 08-14-2012 02:07 PM

HAVE any you actually read what Ryan has proposed and what the Affordable Health care law actually proposes or are you just jumping to conclusions to come on here and try to destroy a single man.

BOTH...Obama and Ryan...and remember, Ryan s budget is simply a plan and not fact....the Health care plan is LAW !! They both strive to do the same exact thing in different ways and instead of discussing the ways, you folks pull out the verbal arms and just take shots. No wonder this country is screwed up....tell me how the polls are doing...that seems to be the most important thing in your lives.

Read something...learn something. You must expand your library instead of reading just one viewpoint....I read Obama and I read Ryan...the only two differences are that they seek the same thing in two different manners and one is law and one is simply a proposal !

HINT.....Obama's plan seeks more efficiency in how providers are reimbursed, while Ryan is focused on seniors having more choices in how they pay for health care, allowing the free market to drive down costs and lessening the taxpayer's burden.

And one is law and the other is a proposal....please please read something other than the sites that feed your ego or whatever it is....read what the other guy is saying also....almost like LISTENING !

Guest 08-14-2012 02:28 PM

And have you seen any of this on your tweets, blogs or sites....

"s Democrats attack Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their proposals regarding Medicare, Republicans are circulating this clip from a November 9, 2009 interview we had with President Obama in which he not only acknowledged that one third of his health care bill was paid for by cuts to Medicare, but that he would veto attempts to undo those cuts."

President Obama in 2009 Pledged to Veto Attempts to Undo Medicare Cuts - ABC News

It really is different when faced with facts !!!

Guest 08-14-2012 02:36 PM

He will not help Romney. Conservatives know from his votes in favor of tarp, auto bailout, raising the debt ceiling, increased budgets etc, which are contrary to his "conservative" speeches, that nothing will change with him or Romney. They Paul Ryan "extreme" budget does not balance until 2040.. THATS 28 years from now!! They may not vote or will vote for a third party candidate.
People who are against Romney from the left will surely not change their vote.
Those on the Right who disagree with Obama enough would vote for anyone no matter what the vp stands for.
The Ryan choice will shift the debate to the budget, but the Repubs will never ever do the tough political things (like drastically cut the military and social programs) to save the nation from bankruptcy.
JJ

Guest 08-14-2012 02:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 540375)
He will not help Romney. Conservatives know from his votes in favor of tarp, auto bailout, raising the debt ceiling, increased budgets etc, which are contrary to his "conservative" speeches, that nothing will change with him or Romney. They may not vote or will vote for a third party candidate.
People who are against Romney from the left will surely not change their vote.
Those on the Right who disagree with Obama enough would vote for anyone no matter what the vp stands for.
The Ryan choice will shift the debate to the budget, but the Repubs will never ever do the tough political things (like drastically cut the military and social programs) to save the nation from bankruptcy.
JJ

You could be right on this. From a peronal view I am glad and hope it continues...the debate on cuts in spending and the deficit. This we have to talk about.

The president can say whatever he wants while trying to get votes, but he KNOWS that medicaire has to be gotten under control...he knows it must be cut.

But while you might be right..hopefully someday we get over the calling name stuff and actually debate ways to get our financial house in order

Guest 08-14-2012 06:42 PM

I think the rabid left is at their funniest on this thread. I can't believe how much their venom betrays their fear of a true blue honest American conservative.

I say that in 2 months time you guys are going to be spewing excuses instead of venom.

Take note.

Guest 08-14-2012 06:47 PM

I heard a very accurate quip by representative Ken Blackwell from Ohio when asked about the dems relentless attacks on Ryan.

He said "dogs do not chase parked cars"!!!!!!

Ryan is definitely viewed as a significant threat to Obama and the dems agenda!!!!

btk


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