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I think it's strange that Bristol is always holding the baby instead of Dad holding the baby. Palin says they broke the news of Bristols pregnancy to quell rumors that Bristol is the baby's mother. They say Bristol is 5 months pregnant but that doesn't mean she isn't Trig's Mother.
She may be 4 months pregnant. Who's counting, right??? I hope her child is born early enough to totally discount the suspicion that Trig is her baby..not Sarah's. If the baby is Bristols child, then the coverup would be shocking, all things considered.

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All I said is "it happens
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WHY would you even need to say anything ? Oh, because they made a statement that day and you were commenting. Why did they make a statement ? Oh, because a few left wing bloggers were spreading a vicious rumor about the parentage of the Gov's child.....but oh, the Obama campaign knew nothing about any of this....they would never ever use MOVEON or KOS to do something like this !

PLEASE dont be naive...BOTH parties do this....but please do not insult everyone by implying that it is only one party or even one man who does this....please do not try to paint the Sen Obama campaign as the saints of the world. They were in full battle motion when this announcement was made. This is why I do not watch much of the MSNBC's (Obama's network) or the FOX's (McCains channel)....the campaigns just feed them junk and away they go. It is not easy to get straight information anymore...you have to verify and validate to get facts, but please do not imply or in any way suggest that Sen Obama has a campaign that does not do this stuff...of course he stays clean and above the fray.

Now we have added this post to the thread...

"I think it's strange that Bristol is always holding the baby instead of Dad holding the baby. Palin says they broke the news of Bristols pregnancy to quell rumors that Bristol is the baby's mother. They say Bristol is 5 months pregnant but that doesn't mean she isn't Trig's Mother.
She may be 4 months pregnant. Who's counting, right??? I hope her child is born early enough to totally discount the suspicion that Trig is her baby..not Sarah's. If the baby is Bristols child, then the coverup would be shocking, all things considered."

These are the same posters who will not discuss Sen Obama's background and training, nor discuss his Global Poverty Act, etc, but jump on stuff like this.

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Bucco, I'm not discussing Obama. What if the above scenario were true? It is possible.
I could care less if Bristol has 10 kids in rapid succession. I just don't want the possible second in command of the USA doing a possible cover up. If this scenario ends up being true, the damage to McCain will be huge. The election will be over when her child is born. What happens to the credibility if Sarah becomes the VP and the grandchild is not born until March?
I just saw that the foreign bookies are taking action on McCain dropping Palin from the ticket. As a Republican, that sure gives me the warm fuzzies.

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Yes she was 17....the same age as Palin's daughter is now.

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I just don't want the possible second in command of the USA doing a possible cover up.
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Please explain your source for even thinking there was a "cover up" ? Why do you think this is even possible ? Your source please ????

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Bucco, If you are reading the press anywhere you know there is speculation. But never mind that. I am speculating. You don't think it's possible????

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Furthermore, wouldn't it be easier just to produce the child's birth certificate?

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NO, it is not possible in this case. That is a reprehensible thing to say. If you were watching with an honest eye, you would have seen Gov. Palin giving the child his bottle before going on stage, also the younger child holding the baby, her husband as well, and I can go on but hopefully you get the picture and this cruel gossip can stop.

I don't usually let my temper get the best of me, but this is just beyond disgusting, cruel gossip.

Just Out Of Curiosity...
 

Has anyone reading anything that's been posted here changed their mind on who they intend to vote for in November?

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;) I knew you were a smart man, Kahuna, not one bit!

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Bucco, If you are reading the press anywhere you know there is speculation. But never mind that. I am speculating. You don't think it's possible?
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I had to do a bit of pacing before responding to this as I was just about as angry as I can get.

LISTEN TO ME.....of course if any of the ugliness was true it would be political suicide...HOWEVER...

THIS WAS BEGUN BY A FEW LEFT WING BLOGGERS WITH NO BASIS TO EVEN SAY SUCH UGLY THINGS..THATS IT. TO DISCUSS THIS CRAP AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS...CRAP IS SO LOW AND DESPICABLE I CANNOT EVEN FIND WORDS.

The source is left wing bloggers ANDREWSULLLIVAN and KOS....they had no REASON..they just said it...and we stop talking about what this Governor has done, what she thinks on ISSUES and we discuss soap opera crap that has no....ABSOLUTELY NO...basis in which to begin in the first place.

What has this done.....the left has been successful in having something incredibly low and distasteful to hang over her head, and Sen Obama just as always says he had nothing to do with it. I dont say he did, but again...if you think these left wing blogs operate in a vaccuum you are dreaming.

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I know it seems like cruel gossip. That is what I thought about the Edwards affair also. As it turns out, for Edwards it was true. I sincerely hope this is NOT true. I think Sarah Palin is a smart, beautiful woman. But this scenario is possible. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. I am speculating about questions that exist in the news. I really hope that it is gossip with absolutely no basis in fact. I hope for all their sakes that a left wing nut made these things up and that the Palins will be vindicated. I wished that for Edwards also.

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Has anyone reading anything that's been posted here changed their mind on who they intend to vote for in November?
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In THIS PARTICULAR forum on TOTV ? I have seen nobody on the left EXCEPT FOR YOU, post anything except personal objections and things about babies..certainly an aversion to issue discussions. Some think that giving out Sen Obama's website is "discussing the issues"

I recall when you predicted "fireworks" on a thread../.and you meant from the right, you got NOTHING BUT SLAMS from the left and nothing but reasonable responses from the right.

What this particular forum, and I visit a few, has done has solidified for me what is important for most visitors to this site...NOT ISSUES :).....and has solidified my non support for Sen Obama.....as I said before, I am not a real hot supporter of Sen McCain, but as I have said and tried to discuss, I consider Sen Obama to be a radical left winger by training and experience and I, personally, dont want that in the White House. I am ok with a Democrat, or even a bit left wing, but not the radical.

So this particular forum thus far....still hope there may be real discussions at some time.....has simply validated what I felt coming in

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I know it seems like cruel gossip. That is what I thought about the Edwards affair also. As it turns out, for Edwards it was true. I sincerely hope this is NOT true. I think Sarah Palin is a smart, beautiful woman. But this scenario is possible. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. I am speculating about questions that exist in the news. I really hope that it is gossip with absolutely no basis in fact. I hope for all their sakes that a left wing nut made these things up and that the Palins will be vindicated. I wished that for Edwards also
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CRUEL GOSSIP...yes...but it is the main subject this morning on this thread.

No comparison to the Edwards affair....that was a story LONG before and NEVER saw the light of day as he could have been the nominee...PLUS...AND THS IS A BIG ITEM...THERE WAS A REASON TO START THE GOSSIP :)

You say "this scenario is possible"...of curse anything is....so is the possiblitly that Sen Obama is a radical left winger but you cant discuss that even though it is much more important that what you want to discuss...PLEASE try and see this point....it is ok to foster this ugly rumor but NOT to discuss who trained the man who is possibly our next president or how he votes, etc. WOW

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Hopefully Sarah will come out tonight with Trig's birth certificate and proof that Bristol was in school for the entire year with no evidence of a pregnancy. What is so hard about doing that? It would squash the rumor mill in it's tracks. Additionally,there have to be many pics of a pregnant Governor.

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Hopefully Sarah will come out tonight with Trig's birth certificate and proof that Bristol was in scholl for the entire year with no evidence of a pregnancy. What is so hard about doing that? It would squash the rumor mill in it's tracks. Additionally,there have to be many pics of a pregnant Governor.
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I hope she DOES NOT. %^&*# them...she owes them nothing. Nobody is asking for birth certificates of Sen Obama's children. Do some googling on this....there are already left wing left sites talkng about how you can falsify such documents...nasty stuff !

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I'm always amazed when the right can throw anything they want at the left, but when it's thrown back, they go scurrying around like trapped little mice.

I don't care if Bristol slept with all of Alaska and has 25 children. But this can be explosive for the righty's.

What I do care about is when I looked around the Republican Convention, I only saw a handful of faces of color. Aren't they part of this country too? In fact, the majority! That's how the Repubs are going to lose this election.

And where to they get off with the "Country First" slogan. Are we to believe that Democrates do not put our country first? These are not my words, but it did give me pause, when I listened to reporters talk about this looking like a Nazi Rally. Again, NOT MY WORDS!

Again, to me, Sarah Palin is a joke. Should she be dropped from this ticket? Absolutely. But for bigger reasons than babies. It was a rash judgment to begin with. ***side note: Why don't they produce Trig's birth certificate? Although those are easily doctored. Wouldn't that be a part of the vetting process that didn't occur?

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Chels, I wasn't throwing anything. That is in TNES. ;) I was simply commenting on something I wondered about. I would like to see this issue resolved in Palin's favor.

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SAMHASS...picture

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sarah...shocking-truth

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I'm always amazed when the right can throw anything they want at the left, but when it's thrown back, they go scurrying around like trapped little mice.

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I am going to start with this tidbit from above.

First of all, from MY PERSONAL perspective, I have said this to you a number of times...BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY.

MY OBJECTION is that either you or the right claim it is only one side......THAT IS MY PROBLEM

From your posts, you seem to beleive that it is ONLY THE RIGHT...the left is just simply saintly and wouldnt do anything that is my personal problem with what you say on this subject.

Fact is on the ugly rumor being discussed here...it was KOS and ANDREWSULLIVAN who blogged it. that is a fact...you can google each of them and find out their leaning and makie your own decision.

PLEASE STOP IMPLYING THAT ONLY THE REPUBLICANS DO THIS STUFF AND THAT THE DEMOCRATS WOULD NEVER....

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Now that's what I call balanced and fair reporting!! :o

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What I do care about is when I looked around the Republican Convention, I only saw a handful of faces of color. Aren't they part of this country too? In fact, the majority! That's how the Repubs are going to lose this election.
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Just off the top of my head, the last two Secy of State under Republican WH were black..just a thought.

Now, you want race to be an issue by counting the color of folks faces as you say you did.....I am shocked you would make an accusation like that since I "think" you made an issue of something somebody said that race should not be discussed.

Is it now ok to discuss race ?

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Again, you seem to miss the fact that I said NOT MY WORDS. But it did draw my attention to it. Look around tonight, make your own decision.

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Again, you seem to miss the fact that I said NOT MY WORDS. But it did draw my attention to it. Look around tonight, make your own decision.
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I missed nothing....

You said and I quote...."What I do care about is when I looked around the Republican Convention, I only saw a handful of faces of color. Aren't they part of this country too? In fact, the majority! That's how the Repubs are going to lose this election."

Not one mention of "not my words" !!! NONE.

Now, you did say "not my words" in relationship to some reporter calling it a nazi rally, but NEVER about the race issue.

By the way could you share with all the posters on here what commentator said that quote about the Nazi rally...as I would love to know...talk about immature and nasty "reporting"
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Maybe you misunderstood me, that's what drew my attention to the lack of faces of color in the first place. Don't know which reporter as I was surfing many television channels.

But can you dispute it? Just wondering.

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Maybe you misunderstood me, that's what drew my attention to the lack of faces of color in the first place. Don't know which reporter as I was surfing many television channels.

But can you dispute it? Just wondering.
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1. Did not misunderstand you. I quoted you by cutting and pasting YOUR remarks, read your post.

2. Dispute what ?

Now since you found it tidy to insert RACE and NAZIISM into this discussion, and now I know I misunderstood you but YOU BROUGHT IT UP...I happen to subscribe to a lot of news letters and websites on both sides of the aisle..even the extreme and the only mention of NAZI in regards to the Republican party or the Republican convention was an extreme site....called NOLANCHART.

RACE and NAZIISM..wow....new entries into the forum...most have stayed away from that !

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Don't be startled Bucco. This is a forum, anything can come up. For the last time, I will say NOT MY WORDS. But this is American and it is my right to bring up something that fascinated me when I heard it. FREEDOM OF SPEECH, my friend. MY country too. After all, there was no problem trashing Senator Obama's wife, religion and patriotism.

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Don't be startled Bucco. This is a forum, anything can come up. For the last time, I will say NOT MY WORDS. But this is American and it is my right to bring up something that fascinated me when I heard it. FREEDOM OF SPEECH, my friend. MY country too. After all, there was no problem trashing Senator Obama's wife, religion and patriotism.
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Well, let me say it this way...YOU may enjoy throwing those kind of words and charges out there...I dont and wont. You can talk to someone else about anyone being a Nazi or racist...I, for one, do not get that low...my opinion. Others on here may want to talk with you along those lines but not me !

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Again, and for the last time, NOT MY WORDS. But take a look tonight, it's very interesting.

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There sure are a lot of words being printed here and opinions given by using disclaimers like "not my words". If they aren't your words why are you repeating them?? :dontknow:

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Yes, good question. I'd like to know why the "words" or slams about Senator Obama's wife, patriotism and religion were repeated too? :dontknow:

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I think of this quote from Doris Lessing,

"It is terrible to destroy a person's picture of himself in the interests of truth or some other abstraction",

applies to the reputation of ALL the candidates and their families and is important to remember in maintaining our own character and integrity.

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Very noble thought, Peachie and I agree with you. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be how politics works in this country (or any other for that matter.) When Senator Obama tries not to strike back, he was accused of being weak. It's just a Catch 22. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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Perhaps if we begin raising the bar, one by one, Chels. :dontknow:

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Peachie,
Are you and Chels a tag team?

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Peachie
You filled my day with laughter and light...raising the bar what a joke.. the dems cant go much lower even if they try. I just cant believe that open minded women will go for this stuff without taking offense. Don't kid yourself this kind of hate is being aimed right at you.
Can you imagine what they would say if someone said Obamas kids were really fathered by Bill Cosby, Or that one of his daughters was not his, OMG they would go nuts , BUT it's ok if said about Sarah Palin. I think it shows how afraid they are about her.
This reminds me of the blind faith put on Clinton, no matter what his faults. My friend says if they caught Bill Clinton " doing " his dog (4 legged) in the oval office , they would of said Look he's an animal lover.
My point is that the dems are rallying around people who are course and as low as they can go and they seem to be proud of their views. Benj

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CHELSEA

YOU brought up whether you originated the thought or not...YOU are the one who brought race and nazi stuff into this thread. Nobody but you. You used your self in the first person when you posted first on the race and have yet to correct that.

YOU respond ONLY by talking about poor Sen Obama as if that was the single and only source of criticism...it appears you are so close minded that you cannot see the real world. I have said to you on many many occassions....it is both parties...you have yet to agree with that and in just about every post you bring up how Sen Obama is being mistreated.

PEACHIE...says raise the bar as if it were not YOU, CHELSEA who lowered it. Nobody, even in the worst of times on this board to my knowledge has even lowered themselves to repeat what you said on here today.

Again, I do not talk to folks who bring up race and talk nazi stuff. If it were not your words on race..your post says it was you.....or Nazi, WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD prompt you to even bring it up. I mean, WHY ? I would think you would be appalled at such language, and if you posted anything about it, it would be your disgust at such a remark.

Also, I will and have already begun to try and find what commentator said something like that and it did not even make the news....some one once said that Democrats are whiners and it was in the news for a week...but in any case, I am investigating each and every networks web site along with the blogs because I cannot believe in American today, this kind of language toward a party convention would be allowed. You bringing this stuff here is bad enough !

I dont know what else to say....I have been literally begging to discuss issues but it seems that Gov Palin's daughters pregnancy and comments on race and naziism are the prevailing thoughts. Those who are writing in the thread about declaring some sort of halt to the politics forum, are quick to jump here to talk about some soup opera situation that has never existed except on blogs and to bring up a racist and nazi comment. Seems to me that maybe responding to posts by STEVEZ or VILLAGESKAHUANA to discuss issues would be much more productive and adult !

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Yeah, but you know what Benj? My blood pressure is normal, I'm happy, I sleep well at night even when things aren't so great and best of all; I have hope and faith in humanity. What is left if we lose civility?

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Peachie,

Please dont misunderstand me. My comments were not aimed at you. I dont know if your Dem or GOP.
I am tyring to say that it's the civility that I'm looking for. Are those comments and accusations civil?. Is leaking Sarah Palin's SS# on left wing blogs civil?. Is vandalizing Denver vehicles that have the nerve to put McCain bumper stickers on their car civil?. Is throwing bleach on delegates to the GPO convention civil?. The dems say it's right wing people doing this but I don't see it.
I too sleep well and am happy, my only worry is that(not even Obama) but other people who will do the most base, unfair, and vicious things just to RULE us might prevail. But I like you have hope and faith in humanity and hope that fair minded Dems think about who it is that claim to represent them and their values. Benj

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And Alex, that tag team reference.... if that means do I respect Chels, I sure do!! :bigthumbsup: