Re: Sarah Palin! Again!
 

So Sam, what's with this atom smasher by Cern. Pm me on it. Vetman is interested. :bigthumbsup:

*** I'll check it out Bucco. :bigthumbsup:

A Question FOR MOTHERS ONLY
 

At dinner with two other couples tonight, the subject of the Palin nomination and all that has happened since came up. We were not having a political discussion and the comments made by two of the women were brief and out of the context of the rest of our dinner conversation.

Two of the three women, both mothers of several children, said that they were intending to vote for John McCain, but will not now that the news regarding her daughter has come out. One commented that there was no way she could respect and vote for a woman who puposely ruined the life of her own daughter, a young man who might be her son-in-law, and possibly even her first grandchild, all as the result of her own career ambitions. The other mom in our dinner group opined that she thought that, knowing that her daughter was pregnant and the media feeding frenzy it would create, Governor Palin should have responded "Thanks,Senator McCain, but my family has other important issues right now that take precedence over your invitation to join the ticket as VP." Both women agreed that at her young age, Palin still had plenty of time to further her political career after dealing with the needs of her daughter.

Frankly, that's not the kind of emotional response I could eve have had. Nor could I have anticipated how a mother might feel.

Do any of you Mothers out there in cyber-land share the feelings of the wives of my two friends? Just curious.

By the way, after seeing both Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorino speak tonight, I wondered why they might not have been invited to join the ticket. That kind of a combination would have been compelling in my opinion.

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Just a thought. How would the daughter have felt if her mom gave up a chance to be VP because of her? Seems like a guilt trip for life. The Dems and the media, I know the same, are the ones putting her in the spotlight. If she was the daughter of a Democratic nominee it wouldn't be an issue.

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If she was the daughter of a Democratic nominee it wouldn't be an issue.
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I assure you that if it was the daughter of a Dem nominee she would be hailed as a hero.

Gotta tell you KAHUANA....I was a Democrat for many years...well, a lot until the mid 70s's when I left that party because of their phoney promises to poor people...PHONEY !

IN the last 4 days my decision to leave, and my decision on this particular election is set in stone. Despite not being overwhelmed with the selection for VP...despite disagreeing with a lot of what Sen McCain proposes, guess what....TOTV and a few of you have convinced me that the elitism and insensitivity of most liberals (certainlynot all) is just not going to become moderate.....the hijacking by the extreme far left is now complete. Sen Obama may well win this election, but the last few days have motivated this old guy to get back in the game and do whatever I can do to keep what I consider a very extreme ticket from winning !

Re: Sarah Palin! Again!
 

I really wanted Romney to be named VP. In fact I voted for him in the primary. I don't care for McCain, however, Sarah Palin has won me over. She knocked it out of the park tonight. The reason the Democrats are going after her so hard is because they know she was a great pick. If she is so terrible why aren't they happy???

Re: A Question FOR MOTHERS ONLY
 

The only reason there is a "media feeding frenzy" is because of the small-minded people who voyeur into the lives of others. These are usually the same people who cry "my right of privacy" if anyone even peeked at them by accident, but find it necessary to gape, gasp and gripe over others. I don't know what's more pitiful, those who make a living out of sensationalizing stuff for money or those who buy it.

There is a difference between news and nasty gossip. I can't picture the person who is proud of spreading gossip or opining about its content.

Whether it is Senators Biden, McCain or Obama, or Gov. Palin, the gossiping stinks. I don't know of any family that doesn't have what they consider "family business" which should not be "public gossip." There is no "right to know" about anything other than the candidates themselves - their capabilities, qualifications and experience. Beyond that, it's voyeurism because some people find it titillating.

If you want to go after the candidates because they chose the public limelight - have a ball. Leave the kids, parents, siblings, in-laws, grandparents and neighbors in peace - unless you are willing to accept the same scrutiny on your own lives - and have it become national gossip.

Every religion I know of considers gossiping a nasty behavior. Even for the non-religious, bad manners is bad manners.

Re: A Question FOR MOTHERS ONLY
 

Kahuna, the views of your dinner companions are not mine but close. You really have to run your own railroad before you can run the nations. I have raised a child with a disability and believe me it is a full time job, and one that can, if you give enough effort make a huge difference. I know I will be slammed by the women who think that I am an old fashioned family values person first. Not so. I just think that you have to deal with the challenges you are given with your own values. Because of my family history and the fact that my mother died at birth, I could not do anything other than put Helene first. I certainly am not VP material, but I am the queen of the universe to my daughter and she to me.

I know. I am such a girl. Just my two cents. Just me being me.

I can't vote for McCain now. I think he acted impulsively in choosing Palin who is a good person, just not my kind of good person.

Re: Sarah Palin! Again!
 

Here I go again, posting against my better judgement.

Sarah Palin completely won me over last night, in fact, the thought has crossed my mind that the country might be better served with her at the top of the ticket!

As far as her family responsibilties, as a Mom of 3, I understand the concern about where her priorities should be. I am not and never have been a feminist and felt very fortunate that I was able to be a stay-at-home Mom for my boys. However, I've learned that "my way" is not necessarily the "right way" for everyone. It seems that she has the complete support of her husband and family and it has also occurred to me that her children might benefit immensely from her rise in the political arena, in spite of the downfalls of being in the spotlight and having to deal with vicious rumors and lies. It is a shame that family members of both parties have to deal with this, but it seems that is the way of the media today.

I am very concerned about the future of our country, and pray that whoever is elected can lead us through what I am afraid are turbulant times ahead.

OK, now on to good thoughts about our move to TV and getting to meet all of you wonderful sounding people, no matter how we differ politically!

Karen

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These women who poo-poo her for "putting her daughter through this," would be more logical to think --- If I were her daughter, how terrible I would feel the rest of my life that because of something I did, my mother did not fulfill her extraordinary opportunity to be the VP of the United States. That would be the cruelty, not as you suggest. How anyone could say Gov. Palin ruined the life of her daughter must have a little too much vino at dinner. This young lady is fortunate to have such a loving mother and family support system. Bristol Palin has a fiance who also happens to be her high school sweetheart. God Bless them in their upcoming marriage. Gov. Palin is also married to her high school sweetheart. They're doing just fine too.

I'd be proud to vote for Sarah Palin. I'd put her on the top of the ticket as well.

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Well said Karen. I am blessed with another beautiful mind living close to us.

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I thought Sarah Palin was nothing short of superb last night. As a Republican, I watched and listened carefully. Although they talked the talk, I have not seen McCain walk the walk in terms of the Bush Admin's failed policies. As much as I admire Palin, I worry about her ability to separate church and state. Her abortion stance worries me as well. I never had an abortion in my life but do not think a woman should be deprived of choice as long as it is within strict parameters. Abortion should not be used for birth control.
Last night I think I got told what I wanted to hear. In the cold light of morning, I am left to wonder about the veracity of all that I heard.
A big issue with me will be taxes. None of us wish to be taxed more than we are at present.
It would be interesting though, to see how much taxes are paid by big corporations. I do not wish for them to be taxed unfairly, but everyone should pay a fair tax on profits IMHO.

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[quote=Karen88 ]
Sarah Palin completely won me over last night, in fact, the thought has crossed my mind that the country might be better served with her at the top of the ticket! I've learned that "my way" is not necessarily the "right way" for everyone. [quote]

Beautifully said Karen. If we could all just realize that "our way" is not necessarily the "right way" for everyone. After the initial controversery about the mothering abilities and morality of the Palin family dies a well-deserved death, we will be left with an excellent VP candidate.

Whether Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin is successful, at the end of the day, we are privileged to have such excellent candidates running for office.

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:agree: :agree: with Karen and Tall Trees. The debate should be really interesting ---the hockey Mom will be a Pitbull! What a country!! :#1:

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Joe Biden sort of gave her a very notable compliment in a back handed way (not a negative comment!!!)....he said she is certainly a very knowledgeable speaker and will certainly be a challenge in our upcoming debate.

These are valuable comments as they are real and haven't been influenced yet with the party line position yet (done by both sides).

As far as rating speakers she gets very high marks...she is not a script/teleprompter reader only. She uses the teleprompter like many of us would use notes. Good public speaking will always be a function of how well an individual knows their subject. When they know it well they deliver well and the best part is, when off podium they don't stutter and stammer because they know.
I think she is an excellent speaker.

BTK

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Sarah Palin:

You won my vote yesterday
Chels it's nice to a calmer side of you. You go girl. :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: