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Old 01-07-2016, 04:16 PM
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Problem with the background checks we already do is that they are only as good as the information in the system. The system currently provides information on some felons.

In 2010 over 80,000 felonies were committed by prohibited people trying to obtain a gun. 44...yes 44 were actually prosecuted.

There are more than enough laws and regulations on the books. How about we try something called prosecution! More laws and regs will mean NOTHING without the follow up procedures that are supposed to occur. It is quite simple really.

Gun violence is down almost 50% over the last couple decades (Source FBI data) And decreased 6% in 2014 According to the FBI UCR. And then let us look at the raw numbers....300,000,000(approx) guns legally owned by Americans and lets divide that by an average annual murder number Approx 10,000=0.00003333%

Many more people are killed with household objects each year than "assault" weapons.

Just more pontificating from a man who has done nothing for this country...but he did just release a few more terrorists from Guantanimo!
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:17 PM
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Prosecution emphasis to the letter of the law would mean increased incarceration of minorities......and the current race based mindset in the WH led by Obama and the media can not handle the reality.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:21 PM
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Which countries besides the United States, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran execute people? Great company you want to be in.

Keep the convicted murderers in prison doing hard time. No coddling.
Why spend all the money keeping them alive? If they killed someone, then they deserve to be killed. Works as a deterrent also. To a certain extent. I have no problem killing someone that tries to kill me. What's your problem? Not to make this personal, but unlike some I will protect my family....and yours if need be in a crisis. But, don't tie my hands or the Cops so that we can't do it when necessary. Sorry, but I have no/NO compassion for career criminals or those that are evil enough to take from others, either life or property.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:34 PM
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Why spend all the money keeping them alive? If they killed someone, then they deserve to be killed. Works as a deterrent also. To a certain extent. I have no problem killing someone that tries to kill me. What's your problem? Not to make this personal, but unlike some I will protect my family....and yours if need be in a crisis. But, don't tie my hands or the Cops so that we can't do it when necessary. Sorry, but I have no/NO compassion for career criminals or those that are evil enough to take from others, either life or property.
You still did not answer which countries besides the USA, Iran, North Korea, and Saudi execute people? Why be associated with countries like that instead of civilized countries?
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Old 01-07-2016, 05:53 PM
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Understand that background checks will most likely NOT uncover any mental problems. It usually finds out if a person has a felony conviction. You do realize that a thorough background investigation like the one they do for a Federal clearance for classified information costs thousands of dollars, depending on how detailed they want to get with it.

Correct me if I am wrong, I do know about the Brady bill and I googled info on that before I posted. I think the point of this bill is to close the loop hole at gun shows which currently exempts these sellers from the paperwork.

Perhaps you don't understand that the two states that I have obtained a concealed carry permit, required classes, fingerprints, photos and background check before issuance.

The state in which this occurred required the gun to be registered and a concealed carry permit neither of which this guy had.

As far as being confronted by a person with a concealed weapon, I have no idea what you went through. I don't believe that a background check will always discover a person that had anger issues. Actually he was a scary little rabbit of a guy who was throwing rocks at dog...I asked him to stop and the the rest is history.

Thank you for the open discussion!
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:28 AM
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You still did not answer which countries besides the USA, Iran, North Korea, and Saudi execute people? Why be associated with countries like that instead of civilized countries?
Only an ignorant liberal would "associate" our country with another because we have a common way to deal with evil. To answer you question regarding which countries also execute evil, I will allow you to do the research if that is an issue to you. I do not care about what other countries do in this situation. I care about my country and my family. You are the type that wants our country to be like others. If you were to travel a bit outside your own country, you would see that they all want to be like us. I do not see the fascination that the liberals have that insist on making our country like others, socialists countries. I have lived overseas half my life and can't see why. Maybe it's like the fantasy that young women have for vampire movies and romance books. They don't realize that it's all fiction, I guess. Just like the fiction that it doesn't cost you anything to have the gov be your nanny and give you a Free lifestyle.

You would be the first one to put a rope around a criminal's neck if he was to rape or kill a member of your family. So, get off your high horse about a criminal paying equally for his evil deeds. It has nothing to do with other countries and it's about time you liberals start realizing that we are leaders NOT followers.
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:37 AM
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We don't have a gun problem. We have a people problem. You can't detect mental illness with a computer, so it is almost impossible to stop a suicide if one really wishes to kill themselves. Half or more of our gun deaths are suicides. We have a 50% reduction in gun violence in the past thirty years. This is actually getting better, not worst like the president wishes you to believe. He needs a radical agenda that he can bait the conservatives with before he leaves office in disgrace for a failed eight years. He is a petulant child that wishes to lash out before he leaves the room. I am sure he will slam the door on his way out.

Obama has helped gun sales in America, so I guess we can give him a bit of credit for boosting that part of the economy. Unfortunately, the people trust the gov less now than when he entered office. I just hope that he doesn't cause a civil war to erupt before he is ushered out of the White House.
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Old 01-08-2016, 05:44 PM
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I totally understand that the 2nd amendment provide every the right to bear arms. But that is all it says, it doesn't say we don't have to go through a background check for example. So explain why a background check violates the 2nd amendment, seriously I would like to understand it. Please consider this request is an attempt for an open conversion on this subject.

It is hard to understand we can be required to have a driver's license to drive a car and have to purchase insurance for that car.

I should disclose that a gun owner threatened me with a concealed weapon on a public street a few years ago. He did spend the weekend in jail and after several court dates postponed hoping I would not be able to attend, I traveled for work every week, he did take a plea deal.
Your request for intellectual dialog is miss placed on this forum. I've been following this post as I too am concerned with status quo. I have carry permits in Florida and my old home state of Maine. Maine just implemented a new law that does not require any type of permit to carry a concealed firearm. If you are not a convicted felon and can maintain a body temperature around 98 degrees you qualify. I would have no problem with registering all my firearms and submitting myself to a stop and frisk policy. A mandatory federal licensing to carry with severe penalty for violation coupled with stop and frisk would reduce a good deal of the daily shooting we experience in this country. That would not infringe on 2nd amendment, IMO.
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:36 PM
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Your request for intellectual dialog is miss placed on this forum. I've been following this post as I too am concerned with status quo. I have carry permits in Florida and my old home state of Maine. Maine just implemented a new law that does not require any type of permit to carry a concealed firearm. If you are not a convicted felon and can maintain a body temperature around 98 degrees you qualify. I would have no problem with registering all my firearms and submitting myself to a stop and frisk policy. A mandatory federal licensing to carry with severe penalty for violation coupled with stop and frisk would reduce a good deal of the daily shooting we experience in this country. That would not infringe on 2nd amendment, IMO.
I agree. However, I would like to make one point. Stop and Frisk is a violation of our rights of search and seizure and the police having to obtain a search warrant. Just making a point, even if I have no problem with stop and frisk. However, remember there are always those energetic young police officers that may just stop and frisk you when you are carrying and automatically assume that you were the bad guy. I realize that this is not a normal occurrence but that's kind of why we have laws to protect us from unlawful search and seizure. For every good idea, there is also a possible negative aspect to it.
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:40 PM
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Your request for intellectual dialog is miss placed on this forum. I've been following this post as I too am concerned with status quo. I have carry permits in Florida and my old home state of Maine. Maine just implemented a new law that does not require any type of permit to carry a concealed firearm. If you are not a convicted felon and can maintain a body temperature around 98 degrees you qualify. I would have no problem with registering all my firearms and submitting myself to a stop and frisk policy. A mandatory federal licensing to carry with severe penalty for violation coupled with stop and frisk would reduce a good deal of the daily shooting we experience in this country. That would not infringe on 2nd amendment, IMO.
I am the one looking for intellectual dialog...it went well this time. I have a summer home in a state that has an open carry policy. Recently a man was seen outside with a long gun, someone called 911 to report it the operator replied this was a open carry state. A few minutes later he walked down the street and started a killing spree.

I agree with you that we should be able to regulate firearms without violating the 2nd amendment.
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Old 01-09-2016, 03:24 PM
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I agree. However, I would like to make one point. Stop and Frisk is a violation of our rights of search and seizure and the police having to obtain a search warrant. Just making a point, even if I have no problem with stop and frisk. However, remember there are always those energetic young police officers that may just stop and frisk you when you are carrying and automatically assume that you were the bad guy. I realize that this is not a normal occurrence but that's kind of why we have laws to protect us from unlawful search and seizure. For every good idea, there is also a possible negative aspect to it.
There are problems with stop and frisk but as more handguns are easily available it is the most cost efficient method to make a real impact. A lot of talk about mentally ill and putting more people in jail but not much talk about raising taxes to pay for it.
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Old 01-09-2016, 04:05 PM
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I believe that this president is on a redundant crusade. Violent crime has dropped about 50% in the last thirty years and facts are pretty much showing that more guns equal less crime.
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