First of all, when I talk about Sen. Obama as a radical, I am not speaking of his character, but his idealogy. When I first became involved in deciding who to vote for this election because I am as frustrated as everyone else with the problems in the nation, I looked long and hard at the Democratic primary. I did not get my wished in the Republican primary and surely as the Democratic primary unfolded, I really began to investigate. It is easy to investigate Sen, McCain..his record is public...same with Sen Clinton. Thus I felt that is was important to know who this guy Sen Obama was, as he has a minimal public record.

I did basically the same thing I would do if I were hiring someone in a top flight position. Who trained him, what does he believe, etc. In the middle of my investigation, the Rev Wright episode took place which pretty much sealed the deal. Cetainly we should discuss that episode because it has impact on who Sen Obama is.

But this morning someone challanged me to talk about WHY I think Sen Obama is radical, and before I go on....to me...this is my personal opinion....change is great but change JUST FOR CHANGE can be so very dangerous.

One of Sen Obama's early heros in politics was Saul Alinsky. Let me introduce you to Saul Alinsky...here is a link to read some general stuff about him..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

I think one of the most telling lines in that capsule is that Sen Clinton wrote her senior thesis on him but when she went to the WH, the White House asked Wesley College to restrict access to her writings so that she would not be too closely associated with him. He was a model for Cesar Chavez.

Just LAST WEEK, Saul Alinsky's son commented on how the Democratic convention met all the specifics that his father had spelled out...its first line "In Artful Dodger style, Barack Obama, plays down his mentorship with Communist author Saul Alinsky. " tells a lot. Below is a link to that story which you will note is in the Canadian Press...

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784

I am restricting what I link to so that those who would say I am linking to hard right websites cannot do so. There is much more on his relationships with other RADICAL LEFT WING folks.

This is not a smear campaign because I have no reason to beleive that he is nothing but a nice man, it is his idealogy of RADICAL LEFT WING that I do not want in the White House.

There is a lot more out there but to insure that this is taken seriously I am staying away from anything but mainstream media or at least trying.

Oh, more on Mr Alinsky.....he is the author of a book called RULES FOR RADICALS...he dedicated this book to LUCIFER...yeah, that one !

There has been much talk that Michelle Obama actually used one of his quotes at her speech at the Democratic convention. While it does convey the same message a number of words were changed that make it only semi accurate.

Below is another article from CBS news on Sen Obama's attempt to keep a lot of stuff quiet....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3981093.shtml

Bucco,

While I am the one who asked for this information...I would like to say thank you. I will read through later on and certainly share my feelings. I also wanted to say that I did not feel in anyway that you are bashing Obama and as a Democrat I would like to say thank you! We can only learn from each other....whether we agree or not...it is good to learn.

I am willing to read and not take this too personally....but give you a clear opinion of my thoughts after doing so. I am hoping our fellow TOTV's will do the same.

Again thank you for doing the research and providing this info for me as I requested it....

Keep in mind that you may get me emotional again about my opinions....brace yourself my friend! ;D

No problem CASSIE...there is much much more out there to read about Sen Obama and others....the association however thin with William Ayers, the Weatherman bomber....Frank Marshall Davis who is a communist and considered a mentor...heard that before ?....of Sen Obama...and of course Rev Wright who it seems is forgotten but in my mind...well, if Gov Palin had gone to a church anywhere near to that type of church for TWENTY YEARS what might be said...if Sen McCain had done it ?

I believe the demotion of the Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman might begin to get some of the hard questins asked. Actually had these guys asked the tough questions early on, Sen Clinton would be the nomineee....if you recall, after the Rev Wright thing came out,it was no longer landslide Obama but Sen Clinton could not catch up.

I think there is more to come on these associations and remember...this is a young man who has all this in his past, but wants us to forget it because he is a great orator....he is on the stage at exactly the right time...unpopular war....bad economy....it is just that you can make too radical of a change in changes name !

WOW, great information. Thanks Bucco. Somewhat scary that the mainstream media didn't uncover more of this. More scary is that we might still elect him. And worse than that is we have such a poor choice in either party. Guess I need to focus on getting a more balanced congress and senete so that whoever gets elected only the best stuff gets past where both parties are behind it.

My goodness Bucco, if ALL of this were completely true, I would think the press would be all over it! Also, the McCain campaign. I haven't heard this from either. The Canadian Free Press? Give me a break! Sorry, not buying.

My goodness Bucco, if ALL of this were completely true, I would think the press would be all over it! Also, the McCain campaign. I haven't heard this from either. The Canadian Free Press? Give me a break! Sorry, not buying.
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Which do you not believe.....the encyclopedia part ? The Canadian Free Press, or CBS ?

Chelsea...there is so much more...if you think the Rev Wright thing is gone it is not....the Clintons knew all this...that is why they said he could not be elected....that part is my opinion of what they were speaking.

The mainstream media will get to it...the references to "neighborhood organizing" at the convention, etc.....I believe in my heart it will come out before the election if necessary but no matter what....whether you believe it or not and what I posted was NOT opinion.....lots of smoke for a young man who has written two books ABOUT HIMSELF...lots of smoke...can you imagine all this for any other candidate in history ? Why do you thiink in a bad economy and an unpopular war...an upopular president the incumbent party candidate is leading in the polls ? It should be a runaway !

A poster on here once said the British press gets it right....the below is dated 8/24 from the Telegraph.UK who I do not believe is accused of being right wing...it discusses Sen Obamas relationship with communist Frank Davis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ack-Obama.html

Are you kidding! Guillani got slammed for making fun of community organizers! I'll wait to see if the mainstream media makes an issue of any of this, if that's OK with you. And if you want my honest answer, I believe the polls are so close for two reasons, fear and race. I wish I was wrong on those two issues, but I don't think I am. It's sad.

It does seem to be race anytime you criticize Sen Obama on anything !

I for one wold not hold my breath for the main stream media to uncover anything that is not in line with or damaging to their partisan objectives....this comment is non partisan as it applies to both sides. However there are some media affiliates who are definitely polarized in their beliefs and position. I will leave each of you to determining who is for or against any particular issue. It is no big secret regarding the media in no way, shape or form reports life an issue at face value....especially one not that is inconsistent with their agenda.

How about using TV Daily Sun as a close to home example. Does anybody think they represent an open view of the issues here in TV to their subscribers of life in TV???? Not for one minute!!!!!!! It is a microcosm of the national media networks. I rest my case!

BTK

Why would you expect the lame stream media to report anything negative about Obama??? Look at all the scandals in the Clinton administration. The press looked the other way. Charles Colson went to jail for having one FBI file. The Clintons had hundreds and nothing ever happened. Sandy Burger took out files from the national archives. Nothing ever happened. If this had been Republicans they would have been crucified in the press. Republicans resign when there is a scandal. Democrats keep right on rolling. William Jefferson comes to mind.

I can think of Scooter Libby, Senator Wide Stance, Senator Vitter on the DC Madames and using the brothels in NO...Not to mention that really nice congressman from Florida who just wanted to be friends with the male pages.

You mention one Democrat who has not yet been convicted but you seem to have forgotten the congressman from San Diego who sits in jail now for taking bribes from defense contractors.

Of course the mainstream media is aware of Sen Obama's background. This subject seems to make folks very uneasy.....yes, the media can be bias and sometimes to a fault (See the demotion of Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman). They were just about forced todiscuss the Rev Wright situation which, in my personal opinion is still a large LARGE issue.

There is so much more...I am trying to stay as mainstream as I can with links....google these radicals and you will find connections, albeit in some cases loose or under investigated, but gee...Sen Obama is a young man to have so much baggage in my opinion.

As I said before.....my problem with Sen Obama is simply his ideology....thus whatever he tells me on issues is negated...I just do not want a radical left winger inthe WH !

Originally Posted by Bucco

Of course the mainstream media is aware of Sen Obama's background. This subject seems to make folks very uneasy.....yes, the media can be bias and sometimes to a fault (See the demotion of Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman). They were just about forced todiscuss the Rev Wright situation which, in my personal opinion is still a large LARGE issue.

There is so much more...I am trying to stay as mainstream as I can with links....google these radicals and you will find connections, albeit in some cases loose or under investigated, but gee...Sen Obama is a young man to have so much baggage in my opinion.

As I said before.....my problem with Sen Obama is simply his ideology....thus whatever he tells me on issues is negated...I just do not want a radical left winger inthe WH !

Perhaps you missed the headline Bucco but I did not:

Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama.

Obama met this guy when he was 8 years old....this article was more about Davis's sexual activity.

You directed me to a website about Saul Alinsky...your post said One of Sen Obama's early heroes in politics was Saul Alinsky. Let me introduce you to Saul Alinsky...here is a link to read some general stuff about him..

But that link told me this...


Thirteen years after Alinsky died, some of his former students hired Barack Obama to a $13,000 a year job as a community organizer in South Chicago. In a few years he became very proficient in the Alinsky Method of community organizing and became an instructor and teacher of the Alinsky Method to other community organizers.

You are always going off on Obama's connection to a Weatherman.....who did what he did when Obama was 8. Then he met Ayers 40 years later as a respected college professor.

I get it you think Obama is a liberal...wait thats not good enough now he has to be a radical communists/socialist...

If you can find that Obama is a card carrying member of the Communist Party....you could make a lot of money.

Now lets talk about the issues...How the heck can we pay for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Why are we paying for this bailout? These are private companies, until 1968 they were federal companies, but then they were deregulated.