Are you nuts? I think you need to consider that possiblity. You say that the "vox populi" has long ignored.... Do you even realize that Vox populi means "the voic eof the people"? How can the Vox Populi ignore something?


And what is it with this your fixation with married couples in which one person is infected? You ignore the fact that Aids is in the vast majority of cases a homosexual disease in which homosexuals purposely avoid safe sex.They call it "chasing the bug". It has nothing - zero-zilch-nada- to do with the Pope or the Church. Aids is now considered a chronic disease among homosexuals. You are right. That is why they refuse to use condoms.

Stop blaming the Pope for the degenerate behavior of homosexuals. They don't use condoms due to their own choice. It has nothing to do with Catholic teaching.

BTW - you never documented your absurd claim that hundreds of thousands were burned at the stake "until recently". I take that as a tacit admission that you were blowing smoke.

You are a fraud.

Are you kidding?
 

Aids is primarly a homosexual disease! What! Are you kidding???? What century are you living in? Jump into the 21st! Wow! Ignorance is bliss I guess. :shrug:

Ignorance is always trying to avoid personal responsibility in the quest for a tool or device that will "let me be me" no matter what the risk or possible hurt to someone else.

I guess the "popular" position is that the most important thing is to be able to have sex - anytime, anywhere, anyhow - no matter what, and that anything which infringes on that "freedom" or suggests there be thought before action has got to be wrong.

As far as science is concerned, it was not that long ago when the "best medical practice" involved leeches and purging. Several kinds of surgeries performed over the past 50 years have already been questioned as whether medically necessary. We can all remember medical procedures, practices and remedies - all considered as the way to go - which were in vogue when we were younger, that today are considered close to quackery. Why? Because medical science (or tort cases) proved later that the science was flawed. And now we in our more enlightened state just can't understand how people could have been so dumb as to rely on "leech medicine." What will it be 40 years from now?

You are throwing out a string of cliches there.

I guess it all depends on your definition of primarily. But here are some stats:

In 2007, the estimated number of persons diagnosed with AIDS in the United States and dependent areas was 37,041. Of these, 35,962 were diagnosed in the 50 states and the District of Columbia and 812 were diagnosed in the dependent areas. In the 50 states and the District of Columbia, adult and adolescent AIDS cases totaled 35,934 with 26,355 cases in males and 9,579 cases in females, and 28 cases estimated in children under age 13 years.


The cumulative estimated number of diagnoses of AIDS through 2007 in the United States and dependent areas was 1,051,875. Of these, 1,018,428 were diagnosed in the 50 states and the District of Columbia and 32,051 were diagnosed in the dependent areas. In the 50 states and the District of Columbia, adult and adolescent AIDS cases totaled 1,009,220 with 810,676 cases in males and 198,544 cases in females, and 9,209 cases estimated in children under age 13 years.

Transmission Category Estimated # of AIDS Cases, in 2007
Adult and Adolescent Male Adult and Adolescent Female Total
Male-to-male sexual contact 16,749 - 16,749
Injection drug use 3,750 2,260 6,010
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,664 - 1,664
High-risk heterosexual contact* 4,011 7,100 11,111
Other** 181 220 401

*Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection.
** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal exposure, and risk not reported or not identified.

Chelsea, why do you think 80% of the cases are among men? I'll grant you there are some needle users in there too. But heteros who do not have sex w bisexual, homosexual men, needle users and infected women are safe from AIDS.

That's enuff on this thread for me. I've had my say. I'll turn it over to the Catholic bashers now.

Thanks for the meaningless USA stats. Last time I checked, the pope was talking about Africa, not the US.

Check this link which reflects the 22 million people in Africa infected and the orphans this has created. I guess the homosexual men in Africa must have fathered a lot of kids.

http://www.avert.org/subaadults.htm

Why would you consider those stats meaningless?

Look, this forum is not the place to get into the sexual habits of Africans. There is also the fact that the symptoms of tuberculosis in its later stages and AIDS are somewhat similar and can be misdiagnosed, particularly in 3rd world countries where sanitation facilities are primitive and TB is rampant. AIDS in Afrca is often misdiagnosed TB. There's no money in TB. AIDS prevention and treatment is a money pump. The AIDS numbers in Africa are inflated.

If you want to blame the Pope for the spread of AIDS go ahead. He is no more responsible than Billy Graham, Joel Osteen or Ted Haggard. The wages of sin are death. That is an age old message that nobody in this feel good world of easy access to drugs, sex and pornography want to hear. But reality has a funny way of intruding on fantasy, doesn't it?

And that is my final word on this subject.

Is RK simply denying the existence of science and quoting Paul (The wages of sin...) as the definitive answer to all? The Bubonic Plague?Smallpox? I suppose the 21 people killed last year by the Tornado were killed for being sinners? The Church that was destroyed was Satans? All 225,000 killed in the Tsunami- all deserving sinners? The old man who didn't see the oncoming car on 441?

Scientifically, RK should learn that TB is spread through aerosol transmission- sneezing, coughing or touching wet infected surfaces, and is HIGHLY infectious- and if caught highly treatable and easily contained. If somoeone has TB, seeing them wearing a mask is proof of prophylaction.

AIDS is transmitted through body sera- Blood, semen, vaginal secretions, mammary milk. It's teansmission is virtually "invisible" unless you want to hire sex police to stand between every act of sex between two individuals. The amount of HIV contained in saliva compared to blood or semen is comparable to a tsp of water in a 64 gallon container. AND that saliva has to "HIT" an open or bleeding area of the body to even have a remote chance of indefecting AND HIV can live out of the body for no more than 11 seconds!

RK may also believe that Jesus had a pet dinosaur. When it comes to the unnecessary spreading of illness in the modern world, nothing is more effective than ignorance. RK seems to have a PhD in such study.

RKAISS writes: "In 2007, the estimated number of persons diagnosed with AIDS in the United States and dependent areas was 37,041"

A_F_R_I_C_A that's on the other side of the flat world, after you fall off the end of it. ANd yes, the "voice of the people" DO ignore the Church hierarchys' teaching on birth control. That the Church is defined as the People of God must terrify you to no end! The Second Vatican Council actually reempowered humanity to use INFORMED Conscience to make the highest moral decisions. That means that one must actually learn something more than just what the nuns taught us to be a good Catholic- you are responsible for rising out of your own ignoirance and safety cradle. THAT is what being a GOOD Catholic is.

I also hate ignoirance!

:a20:

Blind faith is ok, but being blind to facts isn't!!

I hate typing- Even with a Master's degree in Catholioc Theology! Touche on the sloppy typing!

What a bunch of crap!
 

Yes, I'm the one with the "cutsie" answers. Or is it "elitist"??? I never know what I'm being called from week to week.

But here is a FACT. People are dying and need help and if YOUR religion can't be bothered with them or shows no mercy, whatever the cause, then it isn't worth anything. You can go to church every Sunday and say all the "Hail Mary's" you want to and it won't mean diddle squat. (I cleaned that up.) I am Catholic, not a Catholic Basher. But, the Pope is dead wrong on this, and as I stated in an earlier post, he too will see judgment day.

And as for the cliches -- here's a living example of one. The person that gets all dressed up on Sunday, kneels and prays and gladhands all his fellow parishioners. Then turns his back on his fellow man on Monday. Talk about a cliche! You better polish up your Golden Rule sweetie.

I guess that says it all. If you believe in your God then worship your God in the manner that he demands.

If you do not believe in your God, don't worship him as he demands. Demand that your God change his ways to accommodate you.

Who does he think he's pushing around? :bowdown:

Yoda

It is humans who are deciding these issues not any particular God. All of (any) God's teachings are interpretations by man. The Catholic church through the Pope has had its say and us regular humans can choose our path.

I choose to associate with people who think human life (and the quality of that life) is more important than abiding by a ruling on a latex barrier.

Every day that I step into the hospital to care for patients who are suffering greatly I am reminded of 'rules' like this that lead to greater numbers of afflicted. It seems so needless and cruel.