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I'm starting to get embarrassed for some people in this post and I think the truth on this subject is fairly obvious so for me I'm out of this one.
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It leaves me speechless how some can continue to support and defend Obama when it is clear that his economic policies have failed miserably, his foreign policy has made enemies of our friends and friends of our enemies. and that he is indecisive, and we are becoming the laughing stock of the world. Man I just don't get it. I wonder if those folks would believe that 120 is a good golf score? Because as an anology that is abut how you can score Obama's performance. by the way Howard Dean has made it clear that if she bcomes the Republican candidate Sarah Palin will beat Obama. He also said essentially that any Republican candidate can beat Obama.
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Something tells me that they are networking, with a concerted effort to hit this area. There has been many instances nationally of certain politicians being welcome here. They know that this growing community is mostly conservative, and that happening in such a key state as Florida, is just eating at their agenda. Watch out, that next senate seat is up for grabs. |
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I still read and the never ending immature smart little wisecracks still continue...notice that nobody responds to issue based posts...only those that, in some way, can criticize a person and take them down or pass judgement on them. Nobody responding to the thread on Libya since it would not be easy to simply lob stones at some individual that these folks like to pass judgement on ! |
Sarah Palin got LUCKY.
Go ahead and read Revere's writings. Yeah, he told the authorities about his ride. He told them AFTER he was captured and AT THE POINT OF A GUN. Yeah, it's a bit of a sticking point with me when everyone knows Revere but know nothing about Prescott and Dawes. Heck, right outside where I work there's a sign pointing to the "Revere Capture Site". (Hanscom AFB is right on the "Battle Road", as it came to be known) His INTENT was to NEVER be captured. He basically tried to BLUFF the British because, at the time, he had no idea whether or not his partners got their message through. I noticed how the Palin apologists are concentrating on the parts of her statements that are *technically* correct while ignoring the context and the parts that weren't true at all. It's my OPINION that Sarah was trying to frame the famous ride as a gun control statment. The REASON that I have that OPINION is because of the somewhat famous scene from her reality show where she tried to link gun control to actions of "mama bears" concerning their cubs. I mean, lets be real here. Revere was NOT in the business of warning the Regulars. If they WERE then WHY was the whole North Church part of the deal so secret? Why were they trying to EVADE Redcoat patrols. Just to be sure, here's the quote: Quote:
Riding his horse through town? He barely started before he was captured and they stayed AWAY from town centers so they would be less conspicuous. His bluff, at gunpoint, was that the citizens were armed - BUT THE SOLDIERS ALREADY KNEW THAT. The whole reason for the Regulars coming were to seize munitions that were rumored to be stored at certain places in Lexington, Concord and other towns. The reaction is incredible. Apparently, Palin fans have been trying to edit Wikipedia to 'retcon' Palin's view into their account of Revere. http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato...paul-revere-ca Back in March, Michelle Bachman REPEATED Palin's gaffe as far as knowing WHERE Lexington and Concord were: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_834906.html Palin is manna from heaven for comedians. The GOP needs someone as charismatic as she can be but who is known for actually DOING things and has a head on their shoulders. |
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Palin supporters caught trying to edit Reveres Wikipedia page. Not surprising.What is surprising is the ridiculous notion that she knows what she is talking about. I've watched her answer a dozen times and there is no doubt she has no idea what she is talking about,none.
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Umm.. Richie - those ARE Revere's own words. He only talked to the Regulars after he was captured. He also didn't know whether or not Prescott and/or Dawes got through.
Let's remember something else about Paul Revere. He was a silversmith and artist. *He* was the one who made the famous woodcutting depiction of the Boston Massacre and he added some "artistic license" (like the little dog in the corner). Revere was a Revolutionary - brave, indeed, but not beyond bending the truth for propaganda purposes. He inflamed the passions of people in Boston with that piece of art. It wasn't until after the trial where the Redcoats - defended by none other than future U.S. President John Adams - were found to be innocent and, for the most part, fired in self-defense as an very angry mob closed around them. Quite frankly, if it wasn't for H. W. Longfellows poem, Revere would have been a barely mentioned figure in history. Paul's name rhymed well - certainly better than Prescott or Dawes (or Israel Bissell who had an even more important ride). Of course, Longfellow failed to mention Revere's capture and, instead, had him riding all the way to Concord. Look, I respect Palin's savvy in many ways. Just NOT as a credible conservative candidate. She's a laughingstock when it comes to that. All her missteps would come back to haunt her in a pitched campaign - and that would first come from her own party. I don't think other GOP hopefuls will take it easy on her. |
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Ok, let me sum up then.
Palin was using Revere's ride as a talking point - in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with that. However, she mischaracterized it. Personally, I think she could get a lot more mileage out of using the ride for an anti-tax debate since "taxation without representation" was what was driving the colonists to arm themselves. Revere's own words back me up. Again, he talked to the Regulars *at the point of a gun*. What irritated me about the whole thing is that Palin clearly didn't know what she was talking about, trying to 're-purpose' a pivotal event in American history. Palin, as a person, I don't hate. Yes, I have negative opinions of her, but I reserve the word "hate" for MUCH stronger things. I think she's opportunistic (not always a bad thing) and can't stand it when she does things like saying "I'm not a quitter" in the very speech she gave to QUIT HER JOB AS GOVERNOR. I think she's being somewhat sleazy in getting her PAC to pay for her 'vacation' bus tour - legal because she's not a declared candidate. I roll my eyes at her saying she doesn't want publicity while touring in a shrink-wrapped bus. She's a storm of self-contradiction. And while that's fine for ENTERTAINMENT, we need more than that from our politicians. I may not agree with a lot of Pawlenty or the New Romney - but they come across to me as much more serious candidates. Palin falls into the "Trump" category these days. What troubles me more is that conservatives are SO desperate (and I don't blame anyone for having that feeling) for someone charismatic who can lead the ticket that they have taken to someone who, at times, is acting like a buffoon. When you say "North Korean allies", you don't wait a couple of days - you immediate say "Oops - I meant SOUTH Korea". People are quite forgiving when it comes to that. |
Richie and other admirers of Palin- Do you honestly think that Palin found all these historical references by herself? My speculation is that some staffer found these obscure Paul Revere remarks and the entire staff got together and decided that would be a great way for more publicity for Palin - like she would say it with great authority - some "liberals" would call her an idiot - and then the staffers would bring out their obscure proof that Palin is a historical genius. Excellent ploy.
This person is no dummy by any means. She has made more money by being a non-candidate than you can imagine. She plays the system like a violin - and probably pays no income tax!! While Palin herself is a mental lightweight and cannot conduct herself in an unrehersed interview (Katie Couric was her first and last unrehersed interview), her handlers have the acumen to control her and make sure all interviews are with friendly interviewers from FOX and the questions have all been pre-screened for her handlers to brief Palin on the answers they want her to give. If Palin was the great American she pretends to be, she would not have QUIT her job as governor of Alaska. |
Palin wouldn't exactly be unique when it comes to having staffers do research. In fact, I can't think of any candidate who WOULDN'T have them.
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DPlong, you are right about all candidates having staffers to do research. I was stating that Palin probably had no clue about Paul Revere and would never have said anything about him until a staff group thought it would be a good way to look like a historical genius after being called a know-nothing for saying it. Very good ploy.
I really liked your comments about her "shrink-wrapped bus". Excellent posting on your part. However, Sarah Palin does continue to be a force to be respected. She is a very good business person and it is fun to see reporters race to get a little sound bite from her - only to hear Sarah say she does not owe the media anything at all. She sells ghost-written books, her daughter is a celebrity in her own right (for unknown reason to me), and Sarah gets paid more money than a former President for speeches that are basically sound bites, too. I have to respect her charisma. Richie, thanks for the Yeunglings last night. It was real good to finally meet you. |
DJ and Bugs; your affliction of this Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome is almost too sad for me to be laughing about, but I can't help myself. So many words to try to malign someone who got something right and that you can't believe she actually knew something about, and so have to come up with some kind of "Steven King-ish" fantasy tale of intrigue to explain this unfathomable occurrence. Please, continue. Your stories are so much more fun than the actual mundane story of an underestimation of a person you dislike and disrespect.
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Like me, she should have, or had someone else, look up the historical records of Paul Revere before she talked to another of her liberal media hit people. |
Here's what Palin terms a gothcha question. "What did you see today"..."and what did you learn?" or something very close to that. My, that is really trying to embarass her isn't it? :doh:
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I mean this seriously, and NOT in a nasty or sarcastic way. It's not Palin that I'm 'deranged' about. It's you. You are CLEARLY articulate and have a head on your shoulders but, for some reason, you just can't admit it when someone you follow is wrong. Please notice that I'm not starting threads on her - I'm responding to people's comment - in this case, yours. It's one thing to back your team in sports no matter how bad they get (and I know a lot about that having been a Red Sox fan for 30+ years before they finally won it all) - but it's another to keep backing someone who is making a fool of themselves. What's worse, you're not saying "Ok, Sarah was wrong but I still back her message" - you're saying she was RIGHT when the facts don't back it up. Even on Fox News, a friendly environment, she doubled down on it talking about Revere's ride, claiming she had the facts to back her up when, again, they DON'T - she never even mentioned the 'out' that her supporters (who were trying to edit the Wikipedia page on Paul Rever) try to use (the fact that Revere DID tell the Regulars about what was going on, but did it AFTER he was captured and was also bluffing since he didn't know what others had done). She insisted, on the clip that I saw, that telling the British was part of 'the mission'. What's worse is she plays the Pity Card. She complained of it being a "gotcha question". Well, here's the question she was asked: "What did you see here (in Boston) and what will you take away from this visit?" Is THAT a gotcha question? With all that, Richie, it's YOU that I'm trying to understand. I can understand supporting her general positions, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. What I *don't* understand is why you keep insisting Palin was right about Revere. Don't you get ANY cognitive dissonance about this? |
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Ok, Ritchie.. Then just one more round so I can understand exactly where you are.
You keep insisting she was right. You pointed towards Revere's account of the ride that showed she was wrong. Which parts are you in the belief that I'm wrong? She said that Revere was ringing bells and firing shots. False. She said that Revere was warning the British then, later, doubled down and said warning the British was part of the mission. False. Revere only spoke to the British when he was captured. She said he was riding through towns warning people. Well, he never made it to the first town he was supposed to go to (Lexington). That was his INTENT, but the Regulars had something to say about that. After capture, the officer cut the bridle to Revere's horse and let him go - and Revere headed back towards Boston. So, again, false. She said it was a "gotcha" question. False. The mission was to warn the MILITIA in Lexington and Concord that the Regulars were coming to seize the arms that were rumored (from the Regulars point of view) to be in storehouses in Lexington, Concord and other towns. What kind of idiocy would it be to have part of the mission to be warning the very people you were trying to stay ahead of? What am I missing here? You've just kept saying she was right. About what? [Side note - the definition of the militia, at the time, was any able-bodied person who could use a firearm - hence the need to go house to house once you got to the town] |
Ya gotta watch "The Sarah Palin History Channel" sketch from Conan O'Brien on how the Constitution was signed. Farcical and funny. :doh:
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Or maybe it was the Declaraton of Independence.... :doh:
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An NPR interview with Robert Allison, chair of the history department at Suffolk University in Boston.
..."MELISSA BLOCK, host: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right. "Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history."... http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/137011...on-paul-revere |
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On the bus tour, when she related that now famous short tale, she had a memory of the actual, and not the fanciful Longfellow inspired account, in her memory. You want to knock her for not getting every little factoid of the story in the correct connotation; that's fine. I guess you're much too brilliant to ever have gray areas in your memory of events, even if you know the meat of the memory, and cannot abide it in others. Oh, and you're the one who's trying to come up with fanciful's "what if's" and "how could that be's" that have nothing to do with the actual events, and are only you trying to put yourself in the situation, with your brilliance, on how you would have handled the situation. I leave you one more link you might want to read. Ohhh, and at the end you'll see where Paul Revere tells the British of the armed Colonists waiting for them. Oh my goodness, isn't that really close to what Gov. Pain said? No, can't be; because the woman is a stupid.................... http://www.paul-revere-heritage.com/midnight-ride.html |
To be honest, Richie. I'm disappointed in you. I asked for specifics to try and see where you were coming from and I get almost nothing from you. There was no bias as far as Palin was concerned. The 'bias', if you want to call it that was based on what I know from studying history both in books and from living next door to it.
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The link you provided showed that 'informing the British' was NOT part of the plan. Why do you cling to this stuff? Even the links you provide refute Sarah's interpretation! The one thing I *did* learn (or re-learn in case I forgot it) was that Revere DID give up the goods under interrogation. I wonder what Patrick Henry thought of that. |
Like I said DJ, you're looking for excellence and absolutes on a memory and I don't think you can rise to your own standards.
I'm not debating your "specifics". I won't be playing by your rules here. As you wrote, Revere told the British of the Colonists plans. That's close enough for me to know that she knew more about this than you with your Google. |
I suppose The Weiner would know all these history facts instantly.....Geezzzz.....
Let Palin go....It's a free country. The American people are not as dumb as many of you think, and they can think for themselves. We should be thankful we have the freedom for anyone who wants to to make a bid for public office! |
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