This is scary stuff, what's the answer?



For something really serious, click on the following video:


FW: Muslim Demographics -- A Must Watch Short Video
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/ame]

There is something beneficial about illegal immigration?

Yoda

For those wanting a more in depth understanding of what is happening, I recommend America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It by Mark Steyn.

It's rather frightening to realize that illegal immigration may be our only bulwark against having our grandchildren live under sharia law.

Originally Posted by MMC24

This is scary stuff, what's the answer?



For something really serious, click on the following video:


FW: Muslim Demographics -- A Must Watch Short Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

I forwarded this video to all of my friends many who share very opposing political views. One of the people who received it (a psychotherapist and college professor with a DSW--doctorate in social work)responded back (as he usually does with many of my forwards) that this is all crazy fear mongering by the lunatic fringe right and that I seemed to have lost my marbles since I moved here and that the world can coexist in peace etc. Interestingly, he added a positive note that he was just blessed with a new grandson. Amazingly... he couldn't connect the dots.

I seem to remember that the Jews were going to take over the World too.

It's all going to be under water soon, let the sandmen have it.

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Keep in mind the same collating techniques and sensationalistic presentation are used every single day in the very biased media....with about the same credibility as the clip posted!!

BTK

This is the 3rd time I have seen this video posted on various forums / emails.

Who funded this video? Where did it come from? It shoots out statistics like candy…I really do not believe these figures… has anyone stop to do the math?

Go to the US / World Census websites and you will see that these numbers are truly blown way out proportion!

CS, I took your idea and decided to check if these numbers were at all realistic. I went to the CIA World Factbook for my data, so this is definitely NOT Wikipedia data. Here are the total fertility rate numbers for eight European Countries and eight primarily Muslim countries as well as the United States:

Total Fertility Rate – Children born/woman

Russia 1.41
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.41
United Kingdom 1.66
France 1.98
Spain 1.31
Poland 1.28
The Netherlands 1.66

Iraq 3.86
Iran 1.71
Saudi Arabia 3.83
Egypt 2.66
Pakistan 3.6
Libya 3.08
Turkey 2.21
Afghanistan 6.53

United States 2.05

No European country has a fertility rate that will support its population, France is the closest; however it should be noted that while muslims make up less that 10% of the total population, approximate 30% of the under 18 years of age is Muslim. This may account for the comparatively high fertility rate in France.

The only primarily Muslim nation that has a fertility rate that will not support its current population is Iran. The rest range from moderate to explosive growth rates. The United States has a fertility rate that would come close to supporting our present population, however this country will continue to grow so long as immigration is left unchecked.

The facts do appear to support the video as does the well researched book, America Alone.

Originally Posted by thegreenerside

I seem to remember that the Jews were going to take over the World too.

I remember that too but they didn't try.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition.

Are we screwed?

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

For the non believers just go look at a few countries that have already fallen. I don't know if the statistics in this video are right or not, but we do have examples of where it happened. Indonesia is now a Muslim country. Malaysia where I have spent a lot of time is now a Muslim country. I saw this happening there 10 years ago. After the country was about 30% Muslim, there was a law passed that provided tax incentives for Muslims to have children. When it got to be about 50%, there was another law passed to provide penalties if Chinese had more then one child. So today Muslims have an incentive to have children and Chinese have a penalty. Today the country is 68% Muslim. This is just two examples, but there are many others.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

CS, I took your idea and decided to check if these numbers were at all realistic. I went to the CIA World Factbook for my data, so this is definitely NOT Wikipedia data. Here are the total fertility rate numbers for eight European Countries and eight primarily Muslim countries as well as the United States:

Total Fertility Rate – Children born/woman

Russia 1.41
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.41
United Kingdom 1.66
France 1.98
Spain 1.31
Poland 1.28
The Netherlands 1.66

Iraq 3.86
Iran 1.71
Saudi Arabia 3.83
Egypt 2.66
Pakistan 3.6
Libya 3.08
Turkey 2.21
Afghanistan 6.53

United States 2.05

No European country has a fertility rate that will support its population....

The problem with analysis of numbers alone is that there are additional facts affecting the formula leading to the numbers.

Example: Do the numbers only reflect recorded births or infants at ___ months age?
Example: What is the infant mortality rate, and is it reflected in the umbers?
Example: Which nations have abortion-on-demand? Will that affect population renewal capacity?
Example: What is the immigration ratio (how many leave/how many come)?

I'm a fan of numbers, but only after I can understand what they are trying to represent, and ask myself what isn't part of the equation than can can affect their use.

I think this video will give a better perspective:

http://perfectlyhuman.multiply.com/video/item/8

Originally Posted by SteveZ

The problem with analysis of numbers alone is that there are additional facts affecting the formula leading to the numbers.

Example: Do the numbers only reflect recorded births or infants at ___ months age?
Example: What is the infant mortality rate, and is it reflected in the umbers?
Example: Which nations have abortion-on-demand? Will that affect population renewal capacity?
Example: What is the immigration ratio (how many leave/how many come)?

I'm a fan of numbers, but only after I can understand what they are trying to represent, and ask myself what isn't part of the equation than can can affect their use.

Steve, these are very reasonable questions and I will answer them as best I can.

1. Births per woman is just that. There is no included compensation for infant mortality or other adjustments.
2. As noted, infant mortality is not included in these numbers, but is reported seperately in the World Factbook. I'm feeling lazy tonight so I'll let you crunch those numbers.
3. I have no way to quantify how in different countries, abortion on demand, required abortion (very recently in China) and no abortions allowed for any reason have impacted these numbers. In any case these numbers are actual births.
4. Net migration numbers are also included in the CIA World Factbook and are factored into projected growth/shrinkage rates but not in the children born per woman figure. As you might expect, Mexico has a negative migration rate and the United States has a positive migration rate.

It should be noted that some countries including Japan, Russia, Germany and Italy are already experiencing negative growth rates.

My purpose in doing my spadework was to either validate or disprove the numbers being put forth in the video. They are valid.