From the Washington Post, "Virginia will file a legal challenge to the constitutionality of the Democratic health-care reform bill if Congress approves the measure, a spokesman for Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II said Wednesday.:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031703593.html

Apparently eleven other states have either passed or intend to put on the slate bills to do the same thing.

I commend them.

Forcing people to have health insurance is wrong.

Originally Posted by zcaveman

Apparently eleven other states have either passed or intend to put on the slate bills to do the same thing.

I commend them.

Forcing people to have health insurance is wrong.

I totally agree.

Watch out - that may be what they use to make a more Canadian/UK model. In other words, they pass a law to provide health care, but court challenges "force" the federal government to "do better".

This is what happened in NH when a few poor towns challenged how schools are funded in this state. All of a sudden, we had a new property tax that was to be distributed according to a formula for funding schools. The state Constitution said NH was responsible for providing "reasonable funding" - the "Claremont decision" became notorious here for expanding the state's role in what had been an exclusively local process.

The health care in the USA works great for the majority of it's people. Why do they want to mess it up? Do the democrats really believe that our health care will be better after they mess with it?

...that the Republicans were going to sue the Democrats over the process used in the Congress to pass the health reform bill.

Do I understand it correctly that opposing members of the legislative body set up by the Constitution to make our laws are going to sue one another in the Supreme Court over the rules used that they themselves established?

Unbelievable!

What the Attorney General in Virginia, and as zcaveman pointed out, other state AGs and governors are saying, is that it is illegal for the government to require individuals (in their respective states) to purchase health insurance, a key component of the bills under consideration on Capitol Hill. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I've heard 36 other states are looking into similar suits. You and I both know, the feds will threaten to withhould federal funds from the states if they don't comply. That may be written into the mystery bill. Who knows what's in there?
I don't understand how it relates to the New Hampshire public schools though. What am I missing djplong?

Originally Posted by Donna2

The health care in the USA works great for the majority of it's people. Why do they want to mess it up? Do the democrats really believe that our health care will be better after they mess with it?

...until you get sick. The idea of insurance was to spread around the risk. Now it's all about the profits. When someone is no longer profitable, they're dumped - no insurance for you.

No doubt we need some healthcare reform. This bill is not about reform, it's about driving private insurance out of business so the government can control it. Why? So they can control you, plain and simple.

It's first and foremost always about government gaining more and more power over peoples lives.

Freedom and our Constitution is a precious thing and it's now under daily assault. I'd rather die with no insurance than give it up. Once it's gone it's gone.

Originally Posted by dklassen

No doubt we need some healthcare reform. This bill is not about reform, it's about driving private insurance out of business so the government can control it. Why? So they can control you, plain and simple.

It's first and foremost always about government gaining more and more power over peoples lives.

Freedom and our Constitution is a precious thing and it's now under daily assault. I'd rather die with no insurance than give it up. Once it's gone it's gone.

Thank you. A voice of reason.

Here's another sobering thought. The bill calls for 16,500 new IRS agents. Now just why do you think that is?

Originally Posted by dklassen

Here's another sobering thought. The bill calls for 16,500 new IRS agents. Now just why do you think that is?

I read that...the IRS will have exceedingly more power into EVERYONEs affairs with this...but what is bothering me is this...

We have a President who has approval ratings that in one short year are almost as low as a President who was in for 8 years and led us into an unpopular war.......a congress approaching historical low approval ratings.....passing a bill that the majority of Americans do NOT want....using methods that are questionable for sure....how is this happening ?

Originally Posted by dklassen

...I'd rather die with no insurance than give it up....

You may get that chance. Take a look at your own budget and tell us that everything will be just fine if your premiums go up more than 100% in the next few years. That's happened to lots of people, who had to drop their coverage because they couldn't afford it. I think the statistics are that it's happening to about 1,000 Americans every day.

Or what would happen if your insurance company simply sent you a letter saying, sorry we're dropping you. The way things are now, the insurance companies can and do exactly that. You don't even have to have a pre-existing condition. They can drop you just because you're old and are approaching the dreadfully expensive "end of life" situation. They answer to no one except their shareholders, certainly not you.

Lordy, then you'd only be left with Medicare--that dreadful insurance provided by the government, who can't run anything right.

Originally Posted by Bucco

We have a President who has approval ratings that in one short year are almost as low as a President who was in for 8 years and led us into an unpopular war.......a congress approaching historical low approval ratings.....passing a bill that the majority of Americans do NOT want....using methods that are questionable for sure....how is this happening ?

That's easy, Bucco.

We keep sending the same people back to Congress every election. The re-election rate is well above 90% because most people say, "...my members of Congress are OK and vote the way I want them to. I'll vote to re-elect them." They say that it's all those other yo-yo's in Congress that are the problem.

The Republican candidates will be returned to office by voters in the more conservative districts and states, and the reverse will be true in the liberal constituencies. Both the guy who called the President a liar in open Congress as well as the hated Nancy Pelosi will both be re-elected for exactly that reason. Their constituents think they're doing great. The problem is that they're part of an institution that doesn't work, and hasn't worked for the benefit of the country for several decades.

I know I won't say that or vote that way. But I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that when the curtain on the voting booths close in November, that the majority of voters will re-elect the same people who are there now. And we can look forward to another 2-4 years of what we've had for the last several Congresses.

Originally Posted by dklassen

No doubt we need some healthcare reform. This bill is not about reform, it's about driving private insurance out of business so the government can control it. Why? So they can control you, plain and simple.

Then explain the following to me - and I'm sorry if that sounds sarcastic, it's not intended that way.

Why, on WCVB-TV this morning, was Stephen Lynch (D-MA) changing his vote from yes to no? In an interview he said he was changing his mind because of all the calls he got from insurers and pharmaceuticals IN FAVOR OF THE BILL.

The cynic in me says that the back-room deals look bad on the surface, so as to 'sell' the public, but in reality just change some rules and CEMENT the insurers position. Remember, the public option is GONE.