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Don Baldwin 01-27-2017 11:15 AM

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Thanks for the "useful" tip on CDs, but I'm primarily an options trader.

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The CBOE is a crazy place. And money to be made. I don't have enough risk tolerance to venture into that territory. But I know people who are 1 percenters because of it.

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That's the advantage of trading option spreads, you know exactly what your maximum gain or loss will be when you buy and sell a contract. No surprises.

Go ahead...take a seat at "their" casino... They know where the stops are...the buy orders... They know everything...

AJ32162 01-27-2017 11:52 AM

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Go ahead...take a seat at "their" casino... They know where the stops are...the buy orders... They know everything...

"Where the stops are...the buy orders." They have little or no relevance when placing limit orders. And, your entire post just shows your complete lack of market knowledge, as you obviously know nothing about stock or options trading.

By the way, the buy and sell order information (that so concerns you) IS available to everyone with a subscription to Level II quotes.

Don Baldwin 01-27-2017 09:24 PM

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"Where the stops are...the buy orders." They have little or no relevance when placing limit orders. And, your entire post just shows your complete lack of market knowledge, as you obviously know nothing about stock or options trading.

By the way, the buy and sell order information (that so concerns you) IS available to everyone with a subscription to Level II quotes.

Whatever dude...

You've done well...because the market's done well. The market's done well because the Fed dumped a lot of money into buying bonds to keep interest rates low and they've given the banks "free" money to buy stocks keeping the prices going up. POMOs, QE 1,2,3...the market "success" is fake.

AJ32162 01-27-2017 09:37 PM

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Whatever dude...

You've done well...because the market's done well. The market's done well because the Fed dumped a lot of money into buying bonds to keep interest rates low and they've given the banks "free" money to buy stocks keeping the prices going up. POMOs, QE 1,2,3...the market "success" is fake.

Whatever dude...

Don Baldwin 01-27-2017 10:16 PM

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Whatever dude...

Yes...whatever...no clue huh? Could have at least googled them to get an idea about what I was talking about. Instead I get BACK what I said to you. Ignorant and no imagination.

The Feds "rising tide" rose ALL the boats...yours too. You're no financial genius. You rode the river with everyone else. It was hard to LOSE this past 8 years. $10 trillion borrowed, helped keep the market up.

AJ32162 01-27-2017 10:23 PM

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Yes...whatever...no clue huh? Could have at least googled them to get an idea about what I was talking about. Instead I get BACK what I said to you. Ignorant and no imagination.

The Feds "rising tide" rose ALL the boats...yours too. You're no financial genius. You rode the river with everyone else. It was hard to LOSE this past 8 years. $10 trillion borrowed, helped keep the market up.

Whatever dude...any further response to your posts would just be a waste of keystrokes.

Don Baldwin 01-28-2017 06:11 AM

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Whatever dude...any further response to your posts would just be a waste of keystrokes.

Yes it would...because you're ignorant and CHOOSE to remain ignorant...

The Fed, POMOs, QE...they had NOTHING to do with the rapid rise in the markets?

Google them...learn something...see how manipulated the financial system really is.

autumnspring 01-28-2017 02:33 PM

Facts are always tied into knots
 
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Interesting article all the way rhrough.

For most Americans, Dow 20,000 carries little benefit

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That SIMPLISTIC line top 10% owns 80% of stocks is simply false.
If, you have a retirement plan a pension, a 401K, 403B etc your money is surely if it is a pension it is invested in the stock market. If, if it is a 401K, a 403B an IRA or a ROTH IRA it should be OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN in the stock market. Hindsight is always 20/20. Our government has been MANIPULATING our currency. Returns a 10 year treasury has been running less than 2% while stock market returns are running 10%. The choice has never been so clear. You pay a maximum of 15% on stock dividends. I pay 30% on bond dividends.

YOU SHOULD NEVER ENVY WHAT OTHERS DO BUT RATHER LEARN FROM IT-UNLESS OF COURSE YOU ARE A LIBERAL AND THINK OTHERS SHOULD PAY FOR YOU RATHER THAN YOU SHOULD EARN IT.

How the numbers work. Long terms stock market return is 7%. Thus, you money doubles every 10.5 years. Realize had you put 10,000 into the market at 18 and are now 65,
it would have doubled 4.5x 10000x2=20000x2=40000x2=80000x2=160000+80,000=2400 00.

autumnspring 01-28-2017 02:39 PM

Don't have any money
 
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They don't have any money!

That is NONSENSE. If, you are smart enough to work HARD spend less than you earn over time you can EARN, SAVE WITH THE MAGIC OF COMPOUNDING a shocking amount.

A very old rule of savings is to save 10% of every thing you earn. There is no shortage of people who earn 100,000 but spend 105,000. That might mean buying a smaller house a used car etc.

autumnspring 01-28-2017 02:48 PM

RE:Cardinal health stock
 
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Oh? So Cardinal Health stock did well for you, even after those two court cases against them?

But seriously, the article seemed to indicate that only the rich made out with the jump in the DOW. The author acted like it did nothing for anyone else.

If, you are buying ONE STOCK you are not investing you are gambling. We all have gotten great stock tips from people we know. First of all, if they are high enough up on the feeding chain it is ILLEGAL-Martha Stewart went to jail for that one.
The CLINTONS on the other hand never get punished-LOOK UP WHITEWATER bribe paid to then governor bill clinton through Hillary.

autumnspring 01-28-2017 03:10 PM

RE: 50.4 vs 49.2
 
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The theme of the article seemed to indicate that the boom helped the top 90% mostly. The part that you are referring to, seemed to be a very minute figment of the article. But, you are correct there was that little tidbit of confidence.

""Any boom in the stock market is going to pass by the great majority of Americans," Wolff said."
"The Dow's 23 percent surge over the past year has benefited mostly investors who were already well-off."

And I found this little point to be interesting: "The proportion of Americans with retirement accounts actually declined slightly from 2010 to 2013 — from 50.4 percent to 49.2 percent."

I'm not disagreeing with the article. It just seemed to be mostly downplaying the stock market surge. And I may be looking at it wrong. I admit that.

All of these sorts of numbers are termed educated guesses. When, they state numbers as 50.4 to decline 49.2, it makes us BELIEVE there is great accuracy. Usually, the accuracy is within 2% thus is 50.2 is 2% high the real number is 49.19 and if the 49.2 number is 2% too low the real number is 50.18 so percentage in the stock market may have actually gone up.

In my opinion the manipulation of money by our government, particularly under OBAMA has led to the rise of the stock market. Long term history of Treasury bonds was that they pay 2% above the rate of inflation. You cannot trust government reported rate of inflation either.
Ronald Reagan took the price of housing and the cost of fuel out of the inflation numbers. He explained they were to volatile to calculate. IT IS NOT JUST DEMOCRATS THAT LIE TO US. At that time Housing and fuel were the highest areas of inflation-price rise. That is how Reagon reduced inflation. Today, if you don't count medical costs, food and education, there is no inflation same as Reagan spun it. INFLATION IS NOT ZERO-LONG TERM TREASURIES PAY 2%.
The old guide was you subtract your age from 100 and that is the percentage you should have in stocks 70-100=30%.

autumnspring 01-28-2017 03:20 PM

Do you believe anything a politition says????
 
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Most are probably like Joe Biden, who has stated that he has none.

Joe Biden's money would be in a blind trust so he would not know if he owns any stocks or not.

Joe Biden like the rest of them talks soooo much that often he seems stupid. I'm telling a tale about how he lives in the back woods and he after hearing noises went out with his trusty double barreled shotgun. He told us he fired the first shot into the air and the second shot where the noise was coming from. HOW SIMPLY STUPID. First you never shoot at something you can't see. It could have been his neighbor, a kid, a dog a.......... Also, with a double barreled shotgun having, accroding to him, fired a warning shot into the air and one in the direction of the sound-he was now out of ammunition.

autumnspring 01-28-2017 03:35 PM

Do you really believe people tell you the truth re: Money
 
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The CBOE is a crazy place. And money to be made. I don't have enough risk tolerance to venture into that territory. But I know people who are 1 percenters because of it.

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Far too many people lie to themselves about their true rate of return. Lie may not be fair, often they simply do not really know what their real net rate of return is,

Like the people who bet on horses. They will tell you about the horses that won. They will not tell you or their family how far behind they truly are. Oh and on a big win the government takes their cut even before you can redeem your ticket.

Don Baldwin 01-29-2017 07:10 AM

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Joe Biden's money would be in a blind trust so he would not know if he owns any stocks or not.

Joe Biden like the rest of them talks soooo much that often he seems stupid. I'm telling a tale about how he lives in the back woods and he after hearing noises went out with his trusty double barreled shotgun. He told us he fired the first shot into the air and the second shot where the noise was coming from. HOW SIMPLY STUPID. First you never shoot at something you can't see. It could have been his neighbor, a kid, a dog a.......... Also, with a double barreled shotgun having, accroding to him, fired a warning shot into the air and one in the direction of the sound-he was now out of ammunition.

Politicians LIE...it's what they do. You're a fool to believe ONE WORD coming from their corrupt mouths. Those "stories" are just that...stories.

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Far too many people lie to themselves about their true rate of return. Lie may not be fair, often they simply do not really know what their real net rate of return is,

Like the people who bet on horses. They will tell you about the horses that won. They will not tell you or their family how far behind they truly are. Oh and on a big win the government takes their cut even before you can redeem your ticket.

Just like EVERYONE wins when they go to Vegas. Haven't talked to many who admit they lost. They'll brag about their "big win", forgetting to mention they gave it ALL back and more by the time they left.

People are delusional...intentional or not.

dillywho 01-29-2017 04:31 PM

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Politicians LIE...it's what they do. You're a fool to believe ONE WORD coming from their corrupt mouths. Those "stories" are just that...stories.



Just like EVERYONE wins when they go to Vegas. Haven't talked to many who admit they lost. They'll brag about their "big win", forgetting to mention they gave it ALL back and more by the time they left.

People are delusional...intentional or not.

Nope. When I was working, several of us gals would save up over the year and take an annual trip to Vegas. I always went to Vegas with a set amount of money. If I spent it all, no problem. If I was lucky enough to come home with some, great. That was just a start on the next trip. We had no delusions of getting rich. We just wanted to have a good time with whatever we had to spend. Some had more. Some had less. That was ok, too.

To me, Vegas was my Disney World and a lot more fun. With Disney World, it's just spend spend spend. At least in Vegas, you have a chance to return with some of what you went with or some people, more.


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