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Guest 03-24-2015 07:32 PM
What does that have to do with Cruz getting into Princeton and Harvard on the Affirmative Action Program?

Guest 03-24-2015 07:52 PM
EVERY Democrat is hoping and praying that Cruz is his Party's nominee.

Guest 03-24-2015 08:16 PM
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EVERY Democrat is hoping and praying that Cruz is his Party's nominee.
By the will of Allah, let it be so

Guest 03-24-2015 10:56 PM
The Wall Street Journal considers Ted Cruz a dream come true for Hillary Clinton.

Guest 03-24-2015 11:34 PM
Unfortunately, Republicans are not stupid enough to have Canada Cruz as their candidate - but wait, they did have Wailin' Palin as their VP candidate in 2008.

Well, maybe they are that stupid!

Guest 03-25-2015 02:12 AM
All the pundits are saying Cruz gave a CLASSIC JFK and FDR speech. Funny how the message no longer resonates with the left. They want more and more FREE stuff and they shouldn't have to work for it. It's just not fair! <sniffling, crying>

Guest 03-25-2015 07:23 AM
A lot of posts with several that seem to represent the same poster.....in counterpoint....Hmmmnnnn!

Guest 03-25-2015 09:02 AM
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A lot of posts with several that seem to represent the same poster.....in counterpoint....Hmmmnnnn!
or popular opinion?

Guest 03-25-2015 11:29 AM
Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He's Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He's Not. | ThinkProgress


Pertaining to the discussion on here yesterday regarding Ted Cruz signing up for Obamacare: Ted Cruz wants everyone to believe that he is legally required to sign up for Obamacare. He is not. He is signing up for Obamacare by choice.

So what happens to the Cruz family when Senator Ted Cruz has his way and totally repeals every page of Obamacare? He'll be in the same boat as the other 19 million who will lose their healthcare.

Guest 03-25-2015 12:22 PM
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Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He's Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He's Not. | ThinkProgress


Pertaining to the discussion on here yesterday regarding Ted Cruz signing up for Obamacare: Ted Cruz wants everyone to believe that he is legally required to sign up for Obamacare. He is not. He is signing up for Obamacare by choice.

So what happens to the Cruz family when Senator Ted Cruz has his way and totally repeals every page of Obamacare? He'll be in the same boat as the other 19 million who will lose their healthcare.
I hope you are not inferring that anybody is suggesting doing away anybody's health care. The realistic result is 19 million will continue health care. It will just be provided differently.
Of course this does not suit the purpose of trying to make it sound like he is pulling the rug on 19 million people....does it?

Guest 03-25-2015 12:43 PM
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Just out of curiosity ... since you deem Cruz to be "extreme right" does that mean you would then logically describe Elizabeth Warren as "extreme left?"
Yes Mam I would. Let's us not go down the road of mistakes by throwing our support at someone not capable of wining. I would vote for Hillary before Ted Cruz. Our party has several qualified members, but Ted Cruz, really?
:doh:

Guest 03-25-2015 12:49 PM
Every loyal Republican should appeal to Cruz to stop before he does more damage to the GOP. If he continues with this silly bid for president, I must believe he is a hard left liberal in disguise.

Guest 03-25-2015 12:52 PM
Vote for Trump and The Chump!!:jester:

Guest 03-25-2015 01:09 PM
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I hope you are not inferring that anybody is suggesting doing away anybody's health care. The realistic result is 19 million will continue health care. It will just be provided differently.
Of course this does not suit the purpose of trying to make it sound like he is pulling the rug on 19 million people....does it?


This is the first time I've heard that republicans have a replacement plan for Obamacare. Can you expand on how this health care will be differently provided?

Guest 03-25-2015 01:49 PM
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Did you actually read the article that you linked? Halfway through it states this -

"Cruz, as an employee of the government, will use the exchange to choose his employer-provided insurance. Iowa U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley pushed through an amendment on the Affordable Care Act that requires members of Congress to obtain their coverage via the exchanges. Congress pays most of the premium. But Cruz won't be getting any extra benefit under the Affordable Care Act that a member of Congress wouldn't have gotten before the ACA became law."

Doesn't sound to me like he has a choice, unless I am reading it wrong??
It is NOT factually correct that he (or any other member of Congress / Staff are "required" to purchase health insurance through the ACA. They can purchase it anywhere or through any source they so choose. However if they do not use the ACA exchange, they forfeit the government's contribution to premium cost.


"The Affordable Care Act does not compel members of Congress to enroll in DC’s health care exchange; it simply cuts off the government contribution to their insurance plans if they buy their policies elsewhere. “The final rule extends a Government contribution towards health benefits plans for Members of Congress and designated congressional staff so long as the health benefits plans are purchased via the appropriate SHOP as determined by the Director,” a summary of the final rule says. “Nothing in the final rule or the law prevents a Member of Congress or designated congressional staff from declining a Government contribution for him or herself by choosing a different option for their health insurance coverage.”

In other words, Cruz “could purchase coverage in the outside market but would get no subsidy from the FEHBP program,” Tim Jost clarified for ThinkProgress, referring to the acronym for the federal health care program. “It seems like the primary other option he would have is to take advantage of COBRA through his wife, though he’d be forgoing the employer contribution. He could also buy non-group coverage,” Larry Levitt, Senior Vice President at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said. Cruz could also potentially purchased insurance through his presidential campaign’s presumptive health care insurance. In those instances, however, he would have had to give up his employer’s contribution and likely pay more for insurance than he is now being charged under Obamacare."


Source for above quote:

Ted Cruz Wants You To Believe He's Legally Required To Sign Up For Obamacare. He's Not. | ThinkProgress

Guest 03-25-2015 02:26 PM
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This is the first time I've heard that republicans have a replacement plan for Obamacare. Can you expand on how this health care will be differently provided?
That is not what I said:swear:

Guest 03-25-2015 02:39 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1034491)
I hope you are not inferring that anybody is suggesting doing away anybody's health care. The realistic result is 19 million will continue health care. It will just be provided differently.
Of course this does not suit the purpose of trying to make it sound like he is pulling the rug on 19 million people....does it?
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This is the first time I've heard that republicans have a replacement plan for Obamacare. Can you expand on how this health care will be differently provided?
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That is not what I said:swear:

Again, here is what you said. Please explain "The realistic result is 19 million will continue health care. It will just be provided differently".

Guest 03-25-2015 03:03 PM
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Every loyal Republican should appeal to Cruz to stop before he does more damage to the GOP. If he continues with this silly bid for president, I must believe he is a hard left liberal in disguise.

And every loyal democrat should vote for Cruz in the primary. Just hope that he can hold on until he gets to Florida, and dems could put him over the top and on his way to being the nominee.

Be advised that FL has a closed primary, but it is very easy to switch parties for this one event. Print out a form on-line, sign it, and mail it in. Easy.

Guest 03-25-2015 03:44 PM
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This is the first time I've heard that republicans have a replacement plan for Obamacare. Can you expand on how this health care will be differently provided?
Goodness... simply type what you're looking for in your browser's window in plain english. It could NOT be easier to obtain information. How lazy can one get!

House GOP unveils replacement plan, if ObamaCare goes down | TheHill

Guest 03-25-2015 05:20 PM
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Goodness... simply type what you're looking for in your browser's window in plain english. It could NOT be easier to obtain information. How lazy can one get!

House GOP unveils replacement plan, if ObamaCare goes down | TheHill
This plan only outlines a replacement if the Supreme Court strikes down the subsidies in certain states. What Ted Cruz said in his speech was he would repeal the entire law page by page. Where is the replacement bill for the entire ACA.

Guest 03-25-2015 05:55 PM
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This plan only outlines a replacement if the Supreme Court strikes down the subsidies in certain states. What Ted Cruz said in his speech was he would repeal the entire law page by page. Where is the replacement bill for the entire ACA.
:Screen_of_Death:

"Three top Republicans are pushing an alternative to ObamaCare that would scrap the law’s mandates while keeping the tax credits that help low-income people buy private insurance coverage."

GOP unveils new ObamaCare alternative | TheHill

Guest 03-25-2015 07:55 PM
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Guess this means the Tea Party's other favorite( another nut job), Bachman will be your vp choice. Wackos United. Bring it on!





But God spoke to Bachmann personally, and told her to run for POTUS.

Actually, Cruz also said God spoke to him and told him he was meant to be President.

WOW !!!!!!!!!! God spoke to both of them - who woulda thunk it???

Guest 03-25-2015 08:47 PM
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And every loyal democrat should vote for Cruz in the primary. Just hope that he can hold on until he gets to Florida, and dems could put him over the top and on his way to being the nominee.

Be advised that FL has a closed primary, but it is very easy to switch parties for this one event. Print out a form on-line, sign it, and mail it in. Easy.
That is exactly right. Let's all do it.

Guest 03-25-2015 10:13 PM
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But God spoke to Bachmann personally, and told her to run for POTUS.

Actually, Cruz also said God spoke to him and told him he was meant to be President.

WOW !!!!!!!!!! God spoke to both of them - who woulda thunk it???
That is not as bad as thinking one is god like the encumbent does.

Guest 03-28-2015 07:18 AM
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And just in case you hadn't guessed, I have zero respect for the Tea Party. I believe they represent the very worst in this country!
Folks, this is what typical liberals think of mainstream Americans.

Guest 03-28-2015 07:37 AM
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Folks, this is what typical liberals think of mainstream Americans.
No, the Tea Party is NOT "mainstream America". They are the right wing nut cases. If you Google it, you will find that the political leanings of the vast majority of Americans is just slightly right of center.

It does not take too much to take that voter to slightly left of center into Democratic territory.

Guest 03-28-2015 07:42 AM
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Millions of people won't have health care if Ted Cruz gets his way, but Cruz won't be one of them. Obamacare allowed Cruz's wife to quit her job, which is so startling since Cruz singlehandedly shut down the government for 13 days last year, just to end Obamacare.
Only a liberal would think obumblercare causing the loss of millions of jobs is a good thing. Do you realize that Senator Cruz has government health insurance that allows his wife to be covered on his plan? Why in the world would they choose an overpriced ACA plan?!

Guest 03-28-2015 07:56 AM
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Only a liberal would think obumblercare causing the loss of millions of jobs is a good thing. Do you realize that Senator Cruz has government health insurance that allows his wife to be covered on his plan? Why in the world would they choose an overpriced ACA plan?!
Because that is the choice for members of congress, no more government health insurance plan for them.

It's amazing that with the loss of millions of jobs, the unemployment rate has dropped to 5% from 10%, where it was when President Obama was sworn in back in 2009.

Guest 03-28-2015 08:04 AM
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This is the first time I've heard that republicans have a replacement plan for Obamacare. Can you expand on how this health care will be differently provided?
The biggest difference will be "if you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance." The next biggest difference will be "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

Guest 03-28-2015 08:12 AM
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Goodness... simply type what you're looking for in your browser's window in plain english. It could NOT be easier to obtain information. How lazy can one get!

House GOP unveils replacement plan, if ObamaCare goes down | TheHill
You're dealing with a democrat. They expect someone else to do the work.

Guest 03-28-2015 08:16 AM
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Because that is the choice for members of congress, no more government health insurance plan for them.

It's amazing that with the loss of millions of jobs, the unemployment rate has dropped to 5% from 10%, where it was when President Obama was sworn in back in 2009.
Yep. Another liar using statistics...

Guest 03-28-2015 09:15 AM
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Yep. Another liar using statistics...
You know the old addage:

figures don't lie but liars figure!

Statistics and polls and surveys can be manipulated/twisted to make any case or any outcome needed.

Guest 03-28-2015 09:54 AM
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You know the old addage:

figures don't lie but liars figure!

Statistics and polls and surveys can be manipulated/twisted to make any case or any outcome needed.

So the Bureau of Labor Statistics is 'manipulating/twisting the numbers? The same agency that has reported the jobs numbers since these numbers were recorded. Isn't there some congressional oversight for such chicanery?

Guest 03-29-2015 07:43 AM
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So the Bureau of Labor Statistics is 'manipulating/twisting the numbers? The same agency that has reported the jobs numbers since these numbers were recorded. Isn't there some congressional oversight for such chicanery?
Not with this administration.

Guest 03-29-2015 07:51 AM
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So the Bureau of Labor Statistics is 'manipulating/twisting the numbers? The same agency that has reported the jobs numbers since these numbers were recorded. Isn't there some congressional oversight for such chicanery?
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Not with this administration.


So you are saying that this administration controls all the congressional oversight committees? Doesn't the GOP control both the house and senate?

Guest 03-29-2015 07:58 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1036193)
You know the old addage:

figures don't lie but liars figure!

Statistics and polls and surveys can be manipulated/twisted to make any case or any outcome needed.
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Posted by Guest (Post 1036206)
So the Bureau of Labor Statistics is 'manipulating/twisting the numbers? The same agency that has reported the jobs numbers since these numbers were recorded. Isn't there some congressional oversight for such chicanery?
Once again you re-state to make your point. However that was not the point of the post.
At some point it is no longer of any value continuing to try to correct anymore.
That does create two problems for me.
One it allows the re-stated, incorrect inundo/conclusion to go unchallenged and possibly beieved by some uninformed participant.
Secondly it could be viewed as a win by the continual got it wrong again antagonist.

Guest 03-29-2015 08:01 AM
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Once again you re-state to make your point. However that was not the point of the post.
At some point it is no longer of any value continuing to try to correct anymore.
That does create two problems for me.
One it allows the re-stated, incorrect inundo/conclusion to go unchallenged and possibly beieved by some uninformed participant.
Secondly it could be viewed as a win by the continual got it wrong again antagonist.
Yes, I know there are some incorrectly spelled words that CAN be misconstrued to be mis-spelled, but then again that is not the point of the post is it?

Guest 03-29-2015 08:01 AM
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Yes, I know there are some incorrectly spelled words that CAN be misconstrued to be mis-spelled, but then again that is not the point of the post is it?
Nor does it affect the point.


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