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Guest 08-01-2016 12:44 PM

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Although I'm actually a male, I forgot to include 'insecure misogynist' in my description of you. :1rotfl:


My bad. :D




(PS. Here's the chance for you supposed 'decent' righties to step up and condemn this type of pure bile and hatred. I wonder how many of you will? ;) )




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CNM

You MAY be a male, but you are certainly not a man. At least you recognize the distinction.

Guest 08-01-2016 01:51 PM

my view on medical care
 
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Do you expect any medical practice to continue to provide services when they are losing money ?
What special status status do you have / possess ? Are you a member of a special " Tribe " or do you come to the Villages from a special place such that someone owes you and yours something special ?

By the way if you know anything at all about " Obama Care " you would be aware that the operating rules are still being written and rolled out as we go along . Consequently when it first became the Law the Regulations were not fully developed . Complying with the ever increasing regulations of this Mega-Law are proving to be extremely expensive and as a result most medical practices find themselves struggling with compliance .

A strange business to say the least. You get a dirty look if your ask IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY, or WHAT WILL THIS COST, or ARE THERE LESS COSTLY WAYS TO DO THIS.
Your doctor will order all kinds of EXPENSIVE tests often not because they are needed but to prevent LAW SUITS.
I read somewhere that attorneys add 30% to American cost of medical care.
Also, on private insurance, a doctor charges say $85 for an office visit. Under your plan the insurance company pays $45 and you have a $20 copay-TOTAL $65 AND THAT IS PAID IN FULL. WHY WOULD AN UNINSURED PATIENT PAY $85. I hate the word FAIR as it is impossible to define
BUT IS THAT FAIR? Obamacare,medicare and medicade pay even less than private insurance. Like any other BUSINESS they need to be paid, pay rent, employees, expensive equipment etc etc etc-MAL PRACTICE INSURANCE. Who pays for those WHO DO NOT? Like any business it is added to the bill of the PAYING CUSTOMERS,

Guest 08-01-2016 02:12 PM

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You MAY be a male, but you are certainly not a man. At least you recognize the distinction.

Hey, one could be a man in a woman's body or a woman in a man's body. Just because one writes like a disturbed female does not mean you should disparage him/her.

Guest 08-01-2016 02:16 PM

If we weren't fortunate enough to have Obamacare we would both be dead or living in the street by now. I know how a whole lot of you feel because I felt the same way until disaster hit. We never saw it coming. I will drive a little farther and change doctors as long as I am lucky enough to still see one.

Guest 08-01-2016 02:17 PM

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Although I'm actually a male, I forgot to include 'insecure misogynist' in my description of you.


My bad.




(PS. Here's the chance for you supposed 'decent' righties to step up and condemn this type of pure bile and hatred. I wonder how many of you will?



CNM

IN my opinion, you are both wrong, and both equally as mental. But, who am I to judge....I am though.

Guest 08-01-2016 02:19 PM

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If we weren't fortunate enough to have Obamacare we would both be dead or living in the street by now. I know how a whole lot of you feel because I felt the same way until disaster hit. We never saw it coming. I will drive a little farther and change doctors as long as I am lucky enough to still see one.

Wow, the gov helped someone. Now that should go on a record. Score one for the government. One out of how many million lives they have screwed up?

Guest 08-01-2016 03:40 PM

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You MAY be a male, but you are certainly not a man. At least you recognize the distinction.

Says the little boy, who is so intimidated by, and feels inferior to.......women. :1rotfl:

Not that it matters to a desk jockey, ass-kissing, admin assistant type like you....but I worked my way to the top in a very rough and tough industry. :thumbup:

That's why I have no issues with my own masculinity...totally unlike yourself. ;)


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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 03:44 PM

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IN my opinion, you are both wrong, and both equally as mental. But, who am I to judge....I am though.

Still not big or honest enough to call a racist or misogynist, for what they are I see.

You would rather try to spin it and try to include me as being on par with such a scum. :oops:

Thanks for proving me correct...again. :thumbup:



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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 04:00 PM

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Still not big or honest enough to call a racist or misogynist, for what they are I see.

You would rather try to spin it and try to include me as being on par with such a scum.

Thanks for proving me correct...again.
CNM

No, I have said he is a racist many times, but that it his prerogative. It's just a waste of his time to repeat himself over and over again, and I find that boorish. It is very easy to ignore his posts.

You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal. You also bring out the personal remarks in others, including me which makes you a troll, not a conversationalist. Since you argue any statement, that makes you just as obnoxious as he is with his racist rant. You have the talent of bringing out the worst in every conversation.

But, that is just my opinion. I am sure that I would not even recognize you in public because I am sure you are a good person, maybe even likeable. Otherwise, if you were the same as you are here, I am sure you would walk about with many lumps and bruises on your face.

Guest 08-01-2016 04:06 PM

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Says the little boy, who is so intimidated by, and feels inferior to.......women. :1rotfl:

Not that it matters to a desk jockey, ass-kissing, admin assistant type like you....but I worked my way to the top in a very rough and tough industry. :thumbup:

That's why I have no issues with my own masculinity...totally unlike yourself. ;)


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CNM

The Janitorial Service IS a tough industry. Congratulations on your rise to the top.:BigApplause:

Guest 08-01-2016 04:07 PM

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You ..... can't debate an issue without getting personal......
Otherwise, if you were the same as you are here, I am sure you would walk about with many lumps and bruises on your face.

I can see the attraction.

Guest 08-01-2016 04:12 PM

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Says the little boy, who is so intimidated by, and feels inferior to.......women. :1rotfl:

Not that it matters to a desk jockey, ass-kissing, admin assistant type like you....but I worked my way to the top in a very rough and tough industry. :thumbup:

That's why I have no issues with my own masculinity...totally unlike yourself. ;)


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CNM

You are a very thin-skinned aren't you? Not the sign of a REAL man.

Guest 08-01-2016 04:52 PM

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No, I have said he is a racist many times, but that it his prerogative. It's just a waste of his time to repeat himself over and over again, and I find that boorish. It is very easy to ignore his posts.

So you ignore his racist, misogynist and pining for ethnic cleansing posts.....but can't pass up a chance at addressing mine?

Yeah, that's it, ignore the racist KKK'er with the Nazi uniform and attack the person standing up for the little guy and what is right.

That makes a whole lot of sense...NOT! :oops:


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You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal.
And you're lying.

I simply give what I get.

In fact, I'll even do a little experiment.

What I will do (for a while), is simply keep track of the personal attacks directed toward me...without responding in kind.

Not that you have the integrity, honesty or ethics to ever admit that I was right, but at least we'll both know...now won't we? <smug emoji inserted here>



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Since you argue any statement, that makes you just as obnoxious as he is with his racist rant. You have the talent of bringing out the worst in every conversation. You also bring out the personal remarks in others, including me which makes you a troll, not a conversationalist.
Are you actually serious? :eek:

It's MY fault that you personally attack those you don't agree with?

I make you do it?

I've frigging heard it all now. :1rotfl:

Remember, I told you that you were a nasty, passive-aggressive little twit...and now you're just proving it. :eclipsee_gold_cup:



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But, that is just my opinion. I am sure that I would not even recognize you in public because I am sure you are a good person, maybe even likeable. Otherwise, if you were the same as you are here, I am sure you would walk about with many lumps and bruises on your face.
I doubt if I would recognize you either.

I'm sure you're much nastier, fatter and uglier.....than in your tiny little pic. ;)

Guest 08-01-2016 05:05 PM

Yes, you are a TROLL!

Guest 08-01-2016 05:12 PM

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You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal.
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And you're lying.

I simply give what I get.

In fact, I'll even do a little experiment.

What I will do (for a while), is simply keep track of the personal attacks directed toward me...without responding in kind.

Not that you have the integrity, honesty or ethics to ever admit that I was right, but at least we'll both know...now won't we? <smug emoji inserted here>


2.


:D



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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 05:25 PM

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Yes, you are a TROLL!


#3. :D

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You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal.

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And you're lying.

I simply give what I get.

In fact, I'll even do a little experiment.

What I will do (for a while), is simply keep track of the personal attacks directed toward me...without responding in kind.

Not that you have the integrity, honesty or ethics to ever admit that I was right, but at least we'll both know...now won't we? <smug emoji inserted here>


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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 05:54 PM

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You will excuse those of us who prefer facts, over your supposed anecdotal ramblings...won't you? ;)


Health premiums after Obamacare? They’re lower.



Sorry to burst your bubble (purposeful lying?), but that's why some of us prefer actual facts instead of simply believing someone's opinion who has an agenda...and who are given their talking points by suspect sources or massive e-mails meant to incite anger. :shrug:


Please forgive us. :D



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CNM

WOW , I am not the person who you responded to but you have really stepped over the line this time . Fun is fun but what you said to this poor man is just plain IGNORANT and RUDE .

If you were a REAL MAN and a GENTLEMAN and a person who
claims to fight for the underdog every single you would apologize .
If you don`t you are just one huge A-hole and a First Class JERK !

Guest 08-01-2016 06:01 PM

Ill second and third that one above . this CNM character seems to have come completely unhinged today .

Guest 08-01-2016 06:03 PM

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WOW , I am not the person who you responded to but you have really stepped over the line this time . Fun is fun but what you said to this poor man is just plain IGNORANT and RUDE .

If you were a REAL MAN and a GENTLEMAN and a person who
claims to fight for the underdog every single you would apologize .
If you don`t you are just one huge A-hole and a First Class JERK !

# 5 :D
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You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal.

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And you're lying.

I simply give what I get.

In fact, I'll even do a little experiment.

What I will do (for a while), is simply keep track of the personal attacks directed toward me...without responding in kind.

Not that you have the integrity, honesty or ethics to ever admit that I was right, but at least we'll both know...now won't we? <smug emoji inserted here>


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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 06:04 PM

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Ill second and third that one above . this CNM character seems to have come completely unhinged today .

# 6 :D
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You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal.

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And you're lying.

I simply give what I get.

In fact, I'll even do a little experiment.

What I will do (for a while), is simply keep track of the personal attacks directed toward me...without responding in kind.

Not that you have the integrity, honesty or ethics to ever admit that I was right, but at least we'll both know...now won't we? <smug emoji inserted here>


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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 06:04 PM

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United Health Care insurance dropped out of Obamacare a while ago. Said they were losing too much money. It's already falling apart and it isn't even 2017 when it will get real bad. My wife is a cancer survivor and made it past her five years of observation or whatever they do. We have Blue Cross. She was supposed to have a P.E.T. scan every five years to make sure it hasn't returned. It used to be covered but we were in for a shock when we got a bill for $9K because they no longer cover it. I called them and they said it was due to Obamacare, whatever that means. They used to cheerfully cover all of our tests and labs.
My daughter's deductible went up thousands of dollars per year.
Our copay went up 50% on hospital in-patient and out-patient services.

I heard someone on here, probably on another thread insist that due to Obamacare, premiums had risen less than before. BS! I've never seen premiums go up at such high percentage rates in my lifetime.

Sir : Please do not let that phony character who goes by CNM discourage you from posting on this site .
He claims on his named Posts in Threads above the Political Talk postings to " Be fighting for the underdog every single day ".
However his behavior on this section of TOTV has reached a new low point today .

Guest 08-01-2016 06:05 PM

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Sir : Please do not let that phony character who goes by CNM discourage you from posting on this site .
He claims on his named Posts in Threads above the Political Talk postings to " Be fighting for the underdog every single day ".
However his behavior on this section of TOTV has reached a new low point today .

# 7 :D
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You on the other hand, are just as bad in your own way. You are as agitating as a troll and can't debate an issue without getting personal.

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Posted by Guest
And you're lying.

I simply give what I get.

In fact, I'll even do a little experiment.

What I will do (for a while), is simply keep track of the personal attacks directed toward me...without responding in kind.

Not that you have the integrity, honesty or ethics to ever admit that I was right, but at least we'll both know...now won't we? <smug emoji inserted here>


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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 06:14 PM

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I heard someone on here, probably on another thread insist that due to Obamacare, premiums had risen less than before. BS! I've never seen premiums go up at such high percentage rates in my lifetime.


Fact check time.

Slower Premium Growth Under Obama

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The average employer-sponsored family premium has gone up by $4,154 under Obama, from 2008, before he took office, to 2014, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation’s annual employer survey conducted with the Health Research & Educational Trust. The catch? That’s relatively slow growth for premiums.

The RNC may cast it as bad news, but it’s an improvement compared with the growth in premiums before Obama took office.

Under Bush, the average family premiums (including both what employers and employees pay) went up $4,677 in his last six years in office, from 2002 to 2008, an increase of 58 percent. That $4,154 growth under Obama is a 33 percent increase. If we look at Bush’s first six years, the discrepancy gets even bigger:

From 2000, the year before Bush was first inaugurated, to 2006, the average family premium went up $5,042, or an increase of 78 percent.
(See Exhibit 1.11 on page 31 of the KFF report for these numbers.)


Guest 08-01-2016 08:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263457)
You will excuse those of us who prefer facts, over your supposed anecdotal ramblings...won't you? ;)


Health premiums after Obamacare? They’re lower.



Sorry to burst your bubble (purposeful lying?), but that's why some of us prefer actual facts instead of simply believing someone's opinion who has an agenda...and who are given their talking points by suspect sources or massive e-mails meant to incite anger. :shrug:


Please forgive us. :D



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CNM

Our Sainted President : " If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor ". " If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance " .

Guest 08-02-2016 04:59 AM

Good luck convincing us that pay private insurance, that the increase is lower than before. I happen to have my leave and earning statements from previous years and can prove that some of us are paying a lot more. For instance, in one year, our hospital co-payment went up fifty percent. My daughter's insurance deductible went from $6000 to about $13000 per year. Our doctor visit co-payment went up about 17% in one year. So, you can go by gov supplied numbers and I will go by real time proof of one that pays it. And, services provided have been cut back. Tests that my wife received for her cancer are no longer covered.

But, what does one expect from blind liberals that will support a criminal felon for the most important job in the world. And they expect respect.

Guest 08-02-2016 08:00 AM

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Our Sainted President : " If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor ". " If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance " .

While in hindsight Obama should have qualified that statement with "as long as your health provider doesn't change the rules on you," the fact of the matter is that it was the provider that made you change doctors.

That they could blame Obamacare and divert the blame for their own shenanigans...was simply a bonus.

Keeping Your Health Plan
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That’s because most Americans are covered by plans through their jobs, and nothing in the health care law prohibited employers from dropping coverage or changing health plans as they have been able to previously. Before the health care bill even became law, the Congressional Budget Office projected that up to 10 million people who otherwise would have been covered by employer-provided plans would not be offered coverage under one Democratic proposal.

The health care law also sets minimum standards for insurance coverage, requiring that all health plans cover mental health benefits, prescription drug coverage, vaccinations, dental and vision care for children, maternity care for women, and more.

The upgrades mean that some plans that were inexpensive for purchasers — but didn’t cover the required benefits — would eventually cease to exist.


While Obama is certainly far from being a 'saint,' facts are facts...regardless of how inconvenient they may be to an agenda. :shrug:


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CNM

Guest 08-02-2016 08:29 AM

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Our Sainted President : " If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor ". " If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance " .

The repubs made sure that did not happen.

Guest 08-02-2016 08:36 AM

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Good luck convincing us that pay private insurance, that the increase is lower than before. I happen to have my leave and earning statements from previous years and can prove that some of us are paying a lot more. For instance, in one year, our hospital co-payment went up fifty percent. My daughter's insurance deductible went from $6000 to about $13000 per year. Our doctor visit co-payment went up about 17% in one year. So, you can go by gov supplied numbers and I will go by real time proof of one that pays it. And, services provided have been cut back. Tests that my wife received for her cancer are no longer covered.

But, what does one expect from blind liberals that will support a criminal felon for the most important job in the world. And they expect respect.

You were getting off cheap, now you're probably paying what you should have been. Do you like the part of Obamacare where there are no pre-existing conditions and insurance companies not being able to cancell you?


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