Was reading an article about how President Bush's reputation is getting better over time (as predicted on here) but that is not the point of the thread.

Seems the DNC chairman had this to say about Bush....

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine said his party would campaign against Bush this fall even though the former president wasn't on the ballot, blaming him for the recession that started on his watch — rather than the Democrats who controlled Congress starting in 2007 — because "presidential leadership sets the tone."

What does that say about the current administration ? Or is the tone in Washington just all peaches and cream and wonderfulness ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3491615

Originally Posted by Bucco

...is the tone in Washington just all peaches and cream and wonderfulness ?

Certainly not, Bucco. But it's surely not all doom and gloom because the current administration has driven the country to the edge of a cliff, reaching a point of no return in the less than two years they've been in office.

As I've said, it's unlikely I'll vote for President Obama's re-election, principally because of his non-stance on fiscal matters. But there's a whole lot of positive results--in my opinion anyway--that have been achieved in a pretty short time. I've cited them in other posts, so I won't repeat them all here. But a short list might include...

• Avoidance of a potential record recession

• A recovering economy

• Improved foreign relations, particularly with the Russians and Pakistan

• Healthcare for almost all Americans (lots of special interest zits on this bill, but at least universal coverage was achieved)

• Attempts at bi-partisan legisation (I know there will be disagreements on this, but both parties have the right legislate towards their own platform. And of course, it takes two to tango!It certainly takes two to reach any sort of compromise. Both parties can be criticized for failures on this front, but on several occasions and on several issues, the President at least tried.)

• A pretty decent job of being commander-in-chief, even though I disagree with our Afghanistan policy.

• Several quiet "catches" of potential terrorist attacks, and thankfully no success by the bad guys even though they're clearly trying.

As I've said before, personally I am right on fiscal matters and lean left on social issues. While all is not the disaster that many here describe as the Obama administration, he's not far enough right on fiscal issues and too far left on social stuff to earn another vote from me.

And I do fervently wish that "political strategists" like Tim Kaine re-direct their vision to the future rather than continuing to re-visit the past.

on Obama's watch. I would give him credit for health care reform intentions...why intentions? First it was not by public choice the reform was supported. Intention, because we have yet to witness ANY implementation.
So this one is not what we the people were in favor of but he did it anyway and we'll now see if implementation is even close to articulated verbiage.

Everything else on the list, in my humble opinion, are like being in the boat when the lake rises....all boats go with it....a politician would lay claim to making the boat rise.

I am also very suspect of his commander in chief desire, ability or capability. He is just too political to be effective or believed. He does what will play right to select audiences. I pray every day his capability never needs to be tested.

I accept that like all politicians he gets credit for what happens on his watch...just like I accept that what ever he "inherited" (real, percieved or fabricated) are his as well.

btk

was reading an article that said Bush is even worse than originally thought and will be in top 10 worst Presidents. There is not enough space here to list his shortcomings.

Originally Posted by waynet

was reading an article that said Bush is even worse than originally thought and will be in top 10 worst Presidents. There is not enough space here to list his shortcomings.

I read the same article. If you look at it again you will see they were talking about Obama not Bush.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Certainly not, Bucco. But it's surely not all doom and gloom because the current administration has driven the country to the edge of a cliff, reaching a point of no return in the less than two years they've been in office.

As I've said, it's unlikely I'll vote for President Obama's re-election, principally because of his non-stance on fiscal matters. But there's a whole lot of positive results--in my opinion anyway--that have been achieved in a pretty short time. I've cited them in other posts, so I won't repeat them all here. But a short list might include...

• Avoidance of a potential record recession

• A recovering economy

• Improved foreign relations, particularly with the Russians and Pakistan

• Healthcare for almost all Americans (lots of special interest zits on this bill, but at least universal coverage was achieved)

• Attempts at bi-partisan legisation (I know there will be disagreements on this, but both parties have the right legislate towards their own platform. And of course, it takes two to tango!It certainly takes two to reach any sort of compromise. Both parties can be criticized for failures on this front, but on several occasions and on several issues, the President at least tried.)

• A pretty decent job of being commander-in-chief, even though I disagree with our Afghanistan policy.

• Several quiet "catches" of potential terrorist attacks, and thankfully no success by the bad guys even though they're clearly trying.

As I've said before, personally I am right on fiscal matters and lean left on social issues. While all is not the disaster that many here describe as the Obama administration, he's not far enough right on fiscal issues and too far left on social stuff to earn another vote from me.

And I do fervently wish that "political strategists" like Tim Kaine re-direct their vision to the future rather than continuing to re-visit the past.

VK....obviously you think much much more of this man and this administration than I do, and we could debate forever on many on your list.

The Healthcare, for example, is the single most devious, sneaky, ill devised, backroom laden, financial disaster of a bill that has ever been passed despite the american public not wanting it. If this man would ever hold a press conference, just this bill could fill many hours of discussion but he wont !

His "attempts" at bi partisan legislation is a joke even to many on the left and the press who adore, or adored him. He makes no attempt whatsoever and simply makes his public quotes and little operattas for consumption by you and other voters...this was his game in the campaign and it continues.

He is now, if you read, trying to quietly water down any sanctions on Iran at the same time as publicy chastising Israel and in my opinion and just my opinion he is playing with fire in the middle east.

Sorry VK...this man is worse than I thought he might be and he is not an honest man whatsoever ! Sorry for being so blunt but it is simply a fact and since he does not answer to the press (which in theory means us) we never can ask him any questions about any of it. He is the single biggest politician I have ever seen in the WH in my lifetime !

VK...as a PS to my post above....the article I am linking to is written by a conservative writer for sure but I agree with him totally.

Remember during the campaign when I mentioned that Obama was considered the expert on Alinsky rules, although I readily admit the rules are used by folks on both sides, but Obama has,and is widely known to, have perfected these and lest we forget...does this sound like Alinsky...

"The omens are everywhere. Iran is close to obtaining nuclear weapons. The eurozone is in crisis. The U.S. unemployment rate is near 10 percent. America’s social insurance programs threaten to bankrupt the country. And—most unusual—the Washington Nationals are above .500.

But rest easy. None of this is distracting the Obama administration and congressional Democrats from their fulltime occupation: demonizing the political opposition."

http://weeklystandard.com/articles/bully-party

The writer goes on to detail how both the WH and the senate KNEW ABSOLUTELY that this bill would eventually pass as bi partisan legislation because both parties had the same goal, and the bi partisan senators (Dodd and Shelby) were leading the pact with good honorable discussion but the President with Reid had to make it appear that the Republicans were slowing the process giving them something to trump IN TOTAL ERROR to the press !

"For the president, the only middle ground is where he’s standing. Reasonable alternatives to his policies simply do not exist. It is Obama alone who determines which arguments are “legitimate” and which are “misleading.” It’s rhetorical blackmail: Agree with me, the president is saying, or I’ll call you a liar and a hack."


I know that you and the rest who think this man is so above all this and is always trying to compromise will not agree, but this is President Obama...it was him in college, with ACORN, in the Illinois senate...whereever he has been but you folks just think he has changed. Read..he has done this wherever he has been !

Originally Posted by waynet

was reading an article that said Bush is even worse than originally thought and will be in top 10 worst Presidents. There is not enough space here to list his shortcomings.

It also said that Carter was he Best president ever. So much for being a newsworthy story .

Originally Posted by waynet

was reading an article that said Bush is even worse than originally thought and will be in top 10 worst Presidents. There is not enough space here to list his shortcomings.

They say that Carter is smiling alot lately since Obama replaced him as the worst president ever.

After I read this page I remember why I stoped posting to it in the first place.I'm sure you are all sincere people,but....most of you are life long republicans too far to the right for my taste so goodbye for now. maybe in 2012 most of you will get back to the center and put up mitt romney for president

Originally Posted by billy2fish

After I read this page I remember why I stoped posting to it in the first place.I'm sure you are all sincere people,but....most of you are life long republicans too far to the right for my taste so goodbye for now. maybe in 2012 most of you will get back to the center and put up mitt romney for president

Your contribution to this thread is noted and one little note from me to you: When the press and the regime in the white house is way too far to the left, it will take a a right minded Congress and White House to pull it back to the center and with the help of the Almighty, bring it gently to the right of center.

Originally Posted by Donna2

Your contribution to this thread is noted and one little note from me to you: When the press and the regime in the white house is way too far to the left, it will take a a right minded Congress and White House to pull it back to the center and with the help of the Almighty, bring it gently to the right of center.

Well call me Osama Bin Laden and lick me with a spoon. I didn't realize we had people here who "know" what political party God the Almighty wants in power. Perhaps you and the Ayatollahs should share a meal together, that way you can both tell God who's right and who's wrong.

Putrifying piety.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

Well call me Osama Bin Laden and lick me with a spoon. I didn't realize we had people here who "know" what political party God the Almighty wants in power. Perhaps you and the Ayatollahs should share a meal together, that way you can both tell God who's right and who's wrong.

Putrifying piety.

Another one of your sensitive responses.

Pathetic.

Bucco, I thought the Iraq War was the most devious, sneaky,ill devised,backroom laden financial, economic,and political disaster ever put on the American public. Where are those weapons of mass destruction?

Originally Posted by Donna2

Another one of your sensitive responses.

Pathetic.

Sensitive or not, are you NOT saying you know what the Almighty wants? Sounds like creating a false god in YOUR own image. Unless I'm off base here.