but you're basing your argument on a 6 year old article?

113 billion is the correct dollar amount.

So you think 600,000 to 2,000,000,000 criminals roaming around is fine! No wonder Obama got elected twice!

Not that hard to get Mexico to pay for the wall, just charge them a very small % of what we spend on social services for their citizens!

Money well spent

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I will contribute to that, but I can't, next best thing.....


Make America Great Again! | Donald J Trump for President

.....means it will be more costly....

This wall, this plan....it ain't never gonna happen. He knows it, and if you are even thinking a little, you have to know it.

Cheer all you wish....harangue Clinton (deserved by the way) all you want but the guy is conning you all.

Logic and common sense sometimes is scarce.

Bottom line is this!
Trump is the only Presidential candidate that will do
anything to get our borders secured.
He also will do much better at enforcing our
current immigration laws.
Clinton will do nothing to be able to keep the Hispanic votes!

Do you even know how many illegals have been deported under Obama ? Actually a record number.

Do you even know the increased spending on border security in the last few years, CONTROLLED BY CONGRESS

Trump plants this seeds of fear and hate but they do not stand up under scrutiny.

you may want to read this

Deportations plummet 43% under Obama

Deportations plummet 43% under Obama

You seem to leave out any mention of securing our borders.
If we truly had secure borders deporting illegal
criminals wouldn't be a big problem would it?
Apparently the spending you refer to isn't enough,
to secure our borders. Plus the fact is,
the current administration has no
will to stem the flow of illegals or enforce
fully our immigration laws all for political gains.

And there would be no need to deport if we had secure borders!
:spoken:

I hate threads where people use websites like you did. I would trust not one word I ever read on WND...the site that wasted so much time chasing conspiracies...lots. They are listed as a supporter of white supremicst nationalism, they chased Obama birth certificate for so long, ..bottom line, this is not a credible website or source of anything but the lasted conspiracy theory.

But, in the interest of discussion, I offer...Reuters, ABC news, and politifact as credible alternatives because frankly WND is not ven close


Tracking Obama’s deportation numbers

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News

You people must stop reading sites that validate your thoughts without checking them out. World Net Daily, is in fact a white supremicst site that never met a conspiracy they did not embrace

Your assumptions are incorrect, plus they are just
speculation and not fact!

You are a perfect Trump supporter. You are following his lead. Just make things up, and then show your outrage for something that never happened.

Where did I say that 600,000 to 2,000,000 (not 2 billion) roaming around this country is fine? When you have a range, most educated people would not use the highest number. They would an average. He used 2 million to get as much outrage as he could.
By the way, illegal alien criminals are already targeted by law by every president including this one to be deported. Trump isn't doing anything new.

You didn't read the article that I posted. Your last statement is totally wrong, and not even that creative.

I'm a republican and I say trump is a con man and buffoon.

You voted for losers and that is what you are, little man. And learn how to spell, but what can you expect from a loser.

I am a Republican for 50 years, and I KNOW he is a con man and buffoon is being very kind.

I will be leaving the GOP because it is becoming the party of hate.

We NEED to deport...there are over 100,000,000 of them here now including anchor babies.

1/3rd the population is Hispanic.

Re: Fool
 

Let me make it S I M P L E for you.

IF, you believe the CLINTONS-out of BILLS truth spinning mouth, when he was PRESIDENT he reported that IT WAS THE CLINTON TEAM. The CLINTON team served two terms.

FOLLOW THE MATH NOW- 1+1+1=three. THERE IS A TWO TERM LIMIT.

You are a troll and a buffoon, so what!

You are no Republican, and the real haters are the
intolerant leftists that have taken over the Democratic Party!

Trump is a horrible person and his supporters are no better. Good riddance to all of you morons.

The above load of b$ provided by a nasty, intolerant lib Dem leftist! :a040:

Change is the only constant
 

I've enjoyed collecting and using hand woodworking tools.
The finest planes for example, were made in England. A famous brand was Morris. Today, if you can find an antique one, they are no longer made, and you were to use it, you would see a dramatic difference between that and the planes you are likely familiar with the Bailey/Stanley plane. The far cheaper, American made plane put the better, far more expensive, English planes out of business-I'm sure as we now do with the Chinese. the English accused the Americans of unfair practices.
Today, the Stanley plane has been cheapened. The best of them are not as good as what was made before WWII and there are cheaper copies from places like china and india. It is ironic that branded stanley planes are made in England.
Things always have been and always will made the best and cheapest way. For high quantity that might well be a robot. BUT, for smaller quantities, human labor might well be cheaper as a robot is not inexpensive and you still need people to program it and to repair it.

To be a contrarin
 

Just because a person is a professor DOES NOT MAKE HIM RIGHT-CORRECT.
Full employment-that term is not clearly defined. Labor has changed over the years. For example, we have outlawed child labor and unlike pre WWII it is very common for both the father and the mother to work. ASIDE: re: equal pay for equal work. Under capitalism, if you have two exactly the same workers applying for the same job and one is 10% less expensive-woman's claim-you would hire the woman. It is clear that business has found that a man is worth % more-perhaps, due to the fact that he will not get pregnant. He is less likely to call in sick because of a sick kid etc. AND the guys wife may not trust him to work with women-REMINDER-BILLY CLINTON.

RE: Loss of jobs to china due to lower cost labor
I find it interesting that Germany with a labor cost at least as high as the US is doing just fine with manufacturing. For the auto industry, they went in to automation long before our union controlled auto industry could do it. There was a time when 80% of the cars in the world were made by GM.

RE: free trade
We have the most productive farms in the world. We can and do produce farm products at lower cost than much of the rest of the world. FREE TRADE? Japan for example protects their far more expensive rice producers by not allowing American rice into the country. We on the other hand give tax breaks so that the Japanese, the germans and perhaps others will build assembly plants here damaging what is left of the american auto industry.
FREE TRADE-needs to be two way. PERHAPS, SOMETHING TRUMP WILL NEGOTIATE. If, you are not aware, OBAMA gave Chrysler to Fiat. When, he did this Fiat was itself in financial trouble. The most profitable part of Chrysler is the JEEP line. Thanks to OBAMA"S deal making skills,
and the fact that we have among the highest corporate taxes in the world, FIAT is coming out with a new jeep model AND IT WILL BE MADE IN ITALY.

RE: wALL
 

I find it interesting that we are talking about our boarder with mexico. Our boarder with Canada is as porous and is far longer. REMINDER-the SAUDIS that dropped the World Trade Center, came in through CANADA.

I also find it interesting how confrontational the posts and far too many like them are.

The price of sealing our boarders, will be paid not only in dollars but in loss of privacy and FREEDOM.

We could easily control illegal aliens and criminals in general if we were to allow our police to randomly stop people and demand proof of citizenship or a green card.
Can you imagine what would happen. The charges of racial profiling? The screaming the cops are stopping too many Hispanics and or too many muslims.

Sept.10th , 2005 Washington Post : States that hijackers of 9/11 did not enter the US thru Canada

" In the weeks after the attacks, investigators established that all of the hijackers entered the United States from countries other than Canada, a finding that got the official stamp last summer with the release of the Sept. 11 commission report. But that has not stopped the story from spreading."

Death By China - the Documentary Film by Director Peter Navarro


If anyone has not seen this film, please do.

This is the result of "free trade" administered by corrupt politicians.

First off, it's "borders"

Second, the cost of illegals in our country far exceeds in one year what a wall will cost to build.

Third, the border is not just to keep terrorists out. It's to keep CRIMINALS out and everyone that comes into our country is a criminal, whether they are coming in here to circumvent our laws or to smuggle drugs or to commit terrorism.

I have no idea what you mean about "the loss of privacy and freedom" but your whole post makes little sense anyway.

Immigration laws are enacted to protect our countries integrity,
so when these laws are broken it is to the detriment of our country.

There are plenty of people that want to immigrate to our
country legally, and an immigrant that enters legally
can be vetted and assimilated much better. And we know
where and who they are.

I lay responsibility for the current situation at the doorsteps of both the Democrats & Republicans
who for purely political reasons have allowed such a disservice to all American citizens!

All of these posts make normal people crazy and dizzy. I have come to the conclusion that the people of Florida just should not vote, this is a stupid state, my proof is we are the state that DID LET CASEY ANTHONY TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER! What we have in this election is, one is bad, and one is horrible, so your choice is which venereal disease would you rather have for the next 4 years, syphilis or gonorrhea? While you really don not want either one can be found out rather quickly and removed quickly, the other can be there for years before you realize there is even a problem and then it's too late you're brain damaged. Remember elections have consequences so think before you get in bed with either one of these 2. Now on a lighter note Trumps wife barely speaks english so who know what profound things she will do for God and Country, although rumor has it ( Trump loves rumors ) the modeling agency she worked for was also an escort service, so what will she do as first lady? What will Billy boy do as first man? We all know his track record! I bet the Lincoln Bedroom goes back into service whoever is in the White House! Could be a real BIG money maker!!!!

After I read your post I can see what you mean about them making a person crazy or dizzy! :ohdear:

Well said. :clap2: