Chi, you finally crawl out of your shell and make more than a one liner and you screw it all up.

Please go to the BoLS and get yourself armed with some real statistics so that you won't look so pitiful.

There are over 14 million more Americans not in the labor force than in 2008. And what's today's population?

There are almost 3 million more at poverty level than 2008

There is over 10 million more food stamp recipients than in 2008.

This is the only administration in history that did not have a yearly average GDP growth of 3%. A record, but not a good record.

And you suggest that Trump is going to get a gift from Obie? Sorry, but this is the predominant reason Trump got elected, because of the terrible economy.

I kinda thought you knew how to use a search engine until you said Obama did not miss his intel briefings. CBS, ABC, etc. all suggest otherwise, but they are liberal news sources so you might not consider them valid. There are others.

CLinton? Wrong country? How about Bosnia? He said we would be out of there in six months. You know, that place where Hillary was shot at....:a20:

If he would have killed Bin Laden in the ten or so times he had a chance and denied authorization, then we would not have had 9/11. He even admitted that he could have killed him.

By the way, I won't get into our reason for being in Iraq with you, because you would lose and it would be a waste of my effort.

I want to applaud your attempt and success for deviating of the subject. I realize that it isn't one that you can win when comparing Trump with Obie and their taking or not taking their Intel briefings.

Before asking me to prove that Obie missed his briefings, do a quick search and save me a minute or two of unappreciated effort. Believe me, you will find sufficient articles addressing the issue.

The way the 'statistics' are gathered/presented...haven't changed in over 20 years.

So I guess what you're really saying, is that during The Shrub's reign (as we were in the Great Recession)...he was even more inept than we knew?

And here I thought he couldn't have been any worse...LOL :wave:

Actually, economists said that Bush had virtually FULL employment, at least until the last two years of his term. Hmmm, the democrats controlled congress in his last two years, too. Interesting.

Do you? The economy is limping along...at best. The Fed has been wanting to get back to their target rate of 2% inflation as a hedge against deflation should the economy falter, not because the economy is in "strong shape" as you suggest, but because it has been growing so slowly. The Fed is responsible for the growth (albeit pathetically slow) of the economy NOT Obama.

So, I ask you what has Obama done to stimulate the economy? Perhaps you can point to his failed $831 billion failed TARP program or his "shovel ready jobs".

Oh, really?

U.S. changes how it measures long-term unemployment - USATODAY.com

OK, I guess I shouldn't have worded it that way, but my assertion that the actual unemployment rate has not changed in the way it is calculated...is absolutely correct.

What you're conveniently omitting, is what changed...and why.

The change simply goes back further to capture those who have been unemployed for longer than 99 weeks...regarding "long-term unemployment."


Government To Change Way It Counts Long-Term Unemployed – Consumerist


So, in essence, it was even worse under Shrub...than anyone thought.

Thanks for bringing that up. :thumbup:

http://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/...f1&oe=58C28257

You're welcome. :wave:

Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

Can you supply a link about that call Trump made ?

I would be interested. I read his Thanksgiving schedule, including his menu, and certainly could have missed it, but did not see it.

I know Pence, even before the campaign was working hard with Carrier.

But in any case, if you could share your source in that phone call it would be appreciated. All I can find is Trump tweet and no reference to any call.

Thanks.

You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.

You're welcome.:D

Let's keep it real. I hope he takes the economy through the roof, but let's not get carried away and let us stick with facts.

"Donald Trump is heading to the White House with a pledge to revive the U.S. economy and put millions of Americans back to work.

Based on the latest economic data, much of that goal has already been accomplished by President Barack Obama. That includes Friday's employment report that showed the unemployment rate had dropped to a nine year low of 4.6 percent."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/obama...e-economy.html

"The government's November jobs report is expected on Friday to echo a slew of recent economic data confirming that President-elect Donald Trump will inherit a much sturdier economy than his predecessor did.

Economists have forecast that employers added a solid 174,000 jobs last month and that the unemployment rate remained a low 4.9 percent, according to a survey by data provider FactSet.

Those figures are far healthier than those President Barack Obama encountered after his election eight years ago. In late 2008, the unemployment rate was on its way to a 10 percent peak in October 2009, and employers would go on to eliminate 8.7 million jobs before the bleeding stopped in early 2010. Since then, the economy has added 15 million jobs and enjoyed its fourth-longest expansion ever.

Jobs Data Likely to Confirm Trump Will Inherit Solid Economy - ABC News

His twitter page

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Nov 24

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

Then Fox talked about for several days

You are telling me that Fox News said he phoned the CEO of Carrier on Thanksgiving day ?

Cannot find they ever reported that, and to me that is big news.

I will keep checking and use your Fox Report as a basis.

Trumps tweet did not mention any such thing by the way

Nothing in here on that phone call you report

Carrier says it has deal with Trump to keep jobs in Indiana | Fox News

Since you like to quote CNBC, you may appreciate the following quote:

"Most economists look past the official unemployment rate — that 4.9 percent figure, also know as the "U-3" number — to other metrics that provide their own views of the state of jobs."

"One of those figures is something called the U-6 rate, which has a broader definition of what unemployment means. That figure remained unchanged in August, at 9.7 percent."

Currently it is about 9.0 %.

References:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/02/jobs-...ment-rate.html

Current U-6 Unemployment Rate

I'm not teaching naysayers how to use Google unless you're buying the beer

First, I link to WSJ, NYT, Fortune, Economist, or whomever is discussing a current topic, and not, as you imply, just CNBC.

I agree with them, and obviously, you missed my point. Posters were talking as if Obama inherited a great solid economy. He inherited, by ALL economists opinion, a total and complete mess. Check with all the folks who lost homes, retirements, etc and are still struggling.

Campaign is over..Trump is President. No more need to tout anything, just discuss facts.

He IS FACTUALLY inheriting a very much stronger economy.

Can it be improved..sure hope so. So many economists say it cannot show up to 4% GDP growth annually as the new President says. I sure hope he is right. But come on.....compare today to 8 years ago...not even close. Pat whomever you want on the back, but it HAS improved A LOT. Let's hope it keeps going in the same direction at the speed Trump,says.

Smartass remark with no actual facts. Suggest maybe I could teach you, although unlike you, I make no bravado claims. I ASKED you for a link....you have none. End of story.

Are you serious?

Coming from a supporter of the guy who cheats small contractors because he can and has filed bankruptcy numerous times, versus finding a way to protect an entire industry of which millions depend upon...is beyond being a hypocritical partisan hack. :oops:

Which means you've just proved my meme correct...thanks. :thumbup:

http://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/...f1&oe=58C28257



You're very welcome. :wave:

They cheated EVERYONE...bond holders, stock holders...one day there was a "new" GM with all new owners...the original owners were left with nothing.

It's like one day, the house you paid for, is given to another family while you slept at night. You wake up and it's not your house any more...it was taken from you and given to another.

Corruption.

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing the bond holders in the GM deal.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

About the only thing you can say, is this poster is consistent... with their inability to back up their rumors and lies.

I don't even know why I bother with you, since you don't seem to be able to understand even simple things...but I'll try one more time. :ohdear:

How many other American citizens besides just the bondholders (not to mention the country's economy)...would have been devastated had GM not been bailed out?

I get that there are still people that are beyond pizzed that Obama's stewardship saved millions of jobs and that GM paid back most of the loans...but it's time to admit that it was the right thing to do.

Especially in light of those same people now lauding a guy who stiffs small business people...because he knows they don't have the resources to fight back.

That's simply being an azzhole bully...no more, no less.

First thing Obama did along with his stimulus was to cause the lay off of thousands of auto dealership employees. I guess liberals think that was cool, but those families didn't think so. He did such a great job with the GM deal. Wow, how he didn't get tar and feathered and run out of D.C. is anyone's guess.

Liberals are desperate to find something to gig Trump on. Well, don't worry because he will make mistakes. You don't make mistakes unless you are doing something, and Trump will be doing a lot of something.

SO, you liberal losers keep trying because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Could you supply more detail on your post please, as it does not make sense.

First, how can anyone "gig" Trump. He hasn't done anything yet. Not a negative, he just is not Presidentet.

Auto dealers and employment follow the auto industry...no ? Auto industry was dying.

Not defending anyone, just curious if you could speak to the point you are making.

If you are simply disregarding the loss of IRAs, etc and saying auto dealerships suffered more, you will get profound disagreement. Millions of people working today who thought they would be retired and millions more flat out will never ever retire.

I really suggest you do some reading...what happened in 2008 was horrible, and devastating to all aspects of this economy.

Fair enough if the opinion is correct.

As Someone said here...mistakes will happen.

It was a horrible time, and behind us. Let's look forward and hope Trump is able to pull off what he says.

Something like 30,000 jobs were lost when Obama had dealerships closed.

I'm just going to assume that you will look it up, since you questioned it. I'm not going to be snide with you, but I think you may have jumped the gun when you replied to me. A lot of folks have conveniently or just plain forgot a lot of what happened in the first year of Obama.

No sniping necessary.

If, and I say IF because you reference that Malik's site whose career has been spearheading the Tea Party attacks, sometimes accurate, sometimes not.

Point is ONE job is important, and all I am saying...what this country faced in 2008!was of epic proportions...I mean epic and to this day, we still have repercussions. Did everything Obama do work...he'll no, and he will and has said that. It was the biggest economic low point since the Great Depression.

But again, not sure what point you are trying to make. Obama did not cause the depression..that is a fact.

I just do not understand this discussion.

Why are we not talking about the future ? Obama did NOT cause the economic depression, and we are better off for Trump than we were when Obama took office. Why would you even want to debate that..NOT debatable.

Let's watch and see what changes Trump makes and hope we soar.

Trump Refuses To Attend Daily Briefs
 

Are you so sure it was Obama and not Bush?

It was the SYSTEM...the government system of theft and corruption. The "system" GAVE the banks over $ trillion.

Obama had the watch, he COULD have stopped it. Bond and shareholders were ROBBED by the government who took "their company" and GAVE it to others.

"The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST. June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury. The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.[6][7] [8][9][10]

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems. From Tuesday 2 June, old GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB), initially under the symbol GMGMQ[11] and currently under the symbol MTLQQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11 reorganization.[12][13] As ranked by total assets, GM's bankruptcy marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 bankruptcies in U.S. history. The Chapter 11 filing was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.[14] A new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.[15] The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets."

General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.


Grace Gantner here.

Marsha? Having more hot flashes?

absolutely FALSE.

Maybe the "threats" we're so afraid of...aren't real...maybe THAT is why none of the presidents attend them?

Huh? He "doesn't have the right" to TAKE a call...remember...they called him...from Taiwan? Who says that? YOU? If Taiwan called ME, I have the right to take it.

He "knows the job"...appoint who you're told to appoint, sign what you're told to sign, and travel around playing golf and meeting royalty at state dinners. What else IS there?

You think the president sits behind a desk studying papers, making plans, creating his budget...etc? His whole day is scheduled...doing something. Meetings, calls, photos, dinners, trips. He's a figurehead, others do the thinking/lifting. He signs what they hand him, he says what they wrote.

It is NOT TRUE about Obama. The below is from early on in his presidency when the radical right wing website were simply making things up....

"The notion that Obama has skipped his intelligence briefings was promoted by a right-leaning research group called the Government Accountability Institute, which published a report detailing that the president’s daily calendar shows Obama receiving an in-person briefing on the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) 43.8 percent of his time in office. (The percentage dropped from a high of 48.8 percent in 2010 to 38.2 percent through May of 2012.)

Marc Thiessen, a former Bush speechwriter who writes an opinion column for The Washington Post, then drew attention to what he called the “startling new statistics” in the report. His column on the subject is cited as the source in the American Crossroads ad.

That column also includes the White House’s response — that Obama reads his PDB every day, but he does not always require an in-person briefing every day. The White House argument is that this is how Obama structured his White House operation, so it is specious to say he has “skipped” a meeting that was not actually scheduled.

The PDB is a highly secret document seen only by the president and a handful of other advisers. Only a few have ever been declassified — mainly from the Lyndon Johnson era — though the famous Aug. 6, 2001, PDB warning “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” was also declassified as part of the investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The bogus claim that Obama 'skips’ his intelligence briefings - The Washington Post

Not quite a apple to apple comparison but the point is that all this false stuff being thrown out through twittter, etc is simply damaging to this country and that includes Trump dispensing false and inflamatory tweets. He is the President, at minimum act like a mature adult.

Now relative to the FAKE NEWS being used on this site and many others. It is dangerous for one...

"A suspect arrested Sunday with an assault rifle at a Washington, DC pizzeria admitted he had come to investigate an online conspiracy theory, Washington's Metropolitan Police Department said Sunday evening in a statement.

Police have identified him as 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch of Salisbury, North Carolina.

"During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory)," the police department said in a statement.

"Pizza Gate" is a name given to the online false news stories begun last month that charged the Comet Ping Pong restaurant and its owner were involved in a child sex operation. The owner has vehemently denied the charges, but they continued to proliferate online. The owner and employees said they were repeatedly threatened on social media.


Comet pizza shooting: Fake news story drew gunman to restaurant, police say - CNNPolitics.com

People are going to get hurt and killed someday over this stuff.

I realize some of you do not like the so caled "main stream media
" but gotta tell you as someone who reads it all, it is pretty much mostly accurate and they do no report stuff like this that you can read on the various hate sites and frankly what is scary is that our new President elect does it.

I am wiling to and have said it to give Trump a chance but this kind of stuff is juvenile and scary.

Further evidence of impact of FAKE NEWS AND frankly have seen so much of it on here and the subject of this article below was posted on here.

People believe this crap and it is dangerous.

"Eric Tucker, a 35-year-old co-founder of a marketing company in Austin, Tex., had just about 40 Twitter followers. But his recent tweet about paid protesters being bused to demonstrations against President-elect Donald J. Trump fueled a nationwide conspiracy theory — one that Mr. Trump joined in promoting.

Mr. Tucker's post was shared at least 16,000 times on Twitter and more than 350,000 times on Facebook. The problem is that Mr. Tucker got it wrong. There were no such buses packed with paid protesters.

But that didn't matter.

While some fake news is produced purposefully by teenagers in the Balkans or entrepreneurs in the United States seeking to make money from advertising, false information can also arise from misinformed social media posts by regular people that are seized on and spread through a hyperpartisan blogosphere.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/bu...s-spreads.html

There are childrens fables about lying and wanting to believe thus we do not check, and so much in this campaign goes to this point.

This needs fixed but not sure how you convince lazy uninformed people to read more and insure they are getting facts before flying off the handle.

Sorry if that sounds cruel but this particular story was posted and repeated on here and EVEN WITH PROOF it was a lie, it continues and to those people I simply ask...grow up, get informed and stop reading crap to make you feel good...read and investigate.

wake up please