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AJ32162 12-03-2016 03:24 PM

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The way the 'statistics' are gathered/presented...haven't changed in over 20 years.

So I guess what you're really saying, is that during The Shrub's reign (as we were in the Great Recession)...he was even more inept than we knew?

And here I thought he couldn't have been any worse...LOL :wave:

Oh, really?

U.S. changes how it measures long-term unemployment - USATODAY.com

ColdNoMore 12-03-2016 04:19 PM

OK, I guess I shouldn't have worded it that way, but my assertion that the actual unemployment rate has not changed in the way it is calculated...is absolutely correct.

What you're conveniently omitting, is what changed...and why.

The change simply goes back further to capture those who have been unemployed for longer than 99 weeks...regarding "long-term unemployment."


Government To Change Way It Counts Long-Term Unemployed – Consumerist

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If you’ve been unemployed 100 weeks or longer, you’re in luck. No, you’re not about to get a new job. But for the first time, the Bureau of Labor Statistics will accurately track the length of time you’ve been unemployed when calculating long-term unemployment. Previously, the agency had to check off “99 weeks or over” for anyone unemployed longer than two years. See, the recession isn’t all bad, is it?

The new system, which replaces one that’s been in place for over 30 years, won’t change the way the unemployment rate is calculated, and won’t provide the long-term unemployed with any additional benefits.

But it will allow economists to more accurately track how serious the current recession is when compared to previous downturns. As USA Today explains:

A two-year limit hampers economists’ ability to compare this recession’s effect on the job market with another severe one in the early 1980s, [economist Linda] Barrington says.

Although “this feels like something we’ve not experienced” since the Great Depression, she says, economists need more information to be sure.

The change will not affect how the unemployed are counted or the unemployment rate is computed nor how long those eligible for unemployment benefits receive them. Analysts call the move a sign of the times.

“We realize more and more people are unemployed longer than 99 weeks, so we need to break it down further,” [BLS spokesperson Stacey] Standish says.

Long-term unemployment has grown markedly over the past few years. The BLS says the average length of unemployment has increased from 29.4 weeks in November 2009 to 34.5 weeks last month. Nearly 10% of the USA’s 15.1 million jobless have been looking for work for two years or more.


So, in essence, it was even worse under Shrub...than anyone thought.

Thanks for bringing that up. :thumbup:

ColdNoMore 12-03-2016 04:24 PM

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So, I ask you what has Obama done to stimulate the economy? Perhaps you can point to his failed $831 billion failed TARP program or his "shovel ready jobs".


http://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/...f1&oe=58C28257

You're welcome. :wave:

jimbo2012 12-03-2016 04:32 PM

Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

Rockyrd 12-03-2016 05:57 PM

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Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

Can you supply a link about that call Trump made ?

I would be interested. I read his Thanksgiving schedule, including his menu, and certainly could have missed it, but did not see it.

I know Pence, even before the campaign was working hard with Carrier.

But in any case, if you could share your source in that phone call it would be appreciated. All I can find is Trump tweet and no reference to any call.

Thanks.

AJ32162 12-03-2016 06:02 PM

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You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.

You're welcome.:D

Rockyrd 12-03-2016 06:06 PM

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Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

Let's keep it real. I hope he takes the economy through the roof, but let's not get carried away and let us stick with facts.

"Donald Trump is heading to the White House with a pledge to revive the U.S. economy and put millions of Americans back to work.

Based on the latest economic data, much of that goal has already been accomplished by President Barack Obama. That includes Friday's employment report that showed the unemployment rate had dropped to a nine year low of 4.6 percent."


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/obama...e-economy.html

"The government's November jobs report is expected on Friday to echo a slew of recent economic data confirming that President-elect Donald Trump will inherit a much sturdier economy than his predecessor did.

Economists have forecast that employers added a solid 174,000 jobs last month and that the unemployment rate remained a low 4.9 percent, according to a survey by data provider FactSet.


Those figures are far healthier than those President Barack Obama encountered after his election eight years ago. In late 2008, the unemployment rate was on its way to a 10 percent peak in October 2009, and employers would go on to eliminate 8.7 million jobs before the bleeding stopped in early 2010. Since then, the economy has added 15 million jobs and enjoyed its fourth-longest expansion ever.

Jobs Data Likely to Confirm Trump Will Inherit Solid Economy - ABC News

jimbo2012 12-03-2016 06:09 PM

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Can you supply a link about that call Trump made ?

I would be interested. I read his Thanksgiving schedule, including his menu, and certainly could have missed it, but did not see it.

I know Pence, even before the campaign was working hard with Carrier.

But in any case, if you could share your source in that phone call it would be appreciated. All I can find is Trump tweet and no reference to any call.

Thanks.

His twitter page

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Nov 24

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

Then Fox talked about for several days

Rockyrd 12-03-2016 06:12 PM

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His twitter page

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Nov 24

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

Then Fox talked about for several days

You are telling me that Fox News said he phoned the CEO of Carrier on Thanksgiving day ?

Cannot find they ever reported that, and to me that is big news.

I will keep checking and use your Fox Report as a basis.

Trumps tweet did not mention any such thing by the way

Nothing in here on that phone call you report

Carrier says it has deal with Trump to keep jobs in Indiana | Fox News

AJ32162 12-03-2016 06:20 PM

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Let's keep it real. I hope he takes the economy through the roof, but let's not get carried away and let us stick with facts.

"Donald Trump is heading to the White House with a pledge to revive the U.S. economy and put millions of Americans back to work.

Based on the latest economic data, much of that goal has already been accomplished by President Barack Obama. That includes Friday's employment report that showed the unemployment rate had dropped to a nine year low of 4.6 percent."


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/obama...e-economy.html

"The government's November jobs report is expected on Friday to echo a slew of recent economic data confirming that President-elect Donald Trump will inherit a much sturdier economy than his predecessor did.

Economists have forecast that employers added a solid 174,000 jobs last month and that the unemployment rate remained a low 4.9 percent, according to a survey by data provider FactSet.


Those figures are far healthier than those President Barack Obama encountered after his election eight years ago. In late 2008, the unemployment rate was on its way to a 10 percent peak in October 2009, and employers would go on to eliminate 8.7 million jobs before the bleeding stopped in early 2010. Since then, the economy has added 15 million jobs and enjoyed its fourth-longest expansion ever.

Jobs Data Likely to Confirm Trump Will Inherit Solid Economy - ABC News

Since you like to quote CNBC, you may appreciate the following quote:

"Most economists look past the official unemployment rate — that 4.9 percent figure, also know as the "U-3" number — to other metrics that provide their own views of the state of jobs."

"One of those figures is something called the U-6 rate, which has a broader definition of what unemployment means. That figure remained unchanged in August, at 9.7 percent."


Currently it is about 9.0 %.

References:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/02/jobs-...ment-rate.html

Current U-6 Unemployment Rate

jimbo2012 12-03-2016 06:27 PM

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You are telling me that Fox News said he phoned the CEO of Carrier on Thanksgiving day ?

Cannot find they ever reported that, and to me that is big news.

I'm not teaching naysayers how to use Google unless you're buying the beer

Rockyrd 12-03-2016 06:28 PM

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Since you like to quote CNBC, you may appreciate the following quote:

"Most economists look past the official unemployment rate — that 4.9 percent figure, also know as the "U-3" number — to other metrics that provide their own views of the state of jobs."

"One of those figures is something called the U-6 rate, which has a broader definition of what unemployment means. That figure remained unchanged in August, at 9.7 percent."


Reference:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/02/jobs-...ment-rate.html

First, I link to WSJ, NYT, Fortune, Economist, or whomever is discussing a current topic, and not, as you imply, just CNBC.

I agree with them, and obviously, you missed my point. Posters were talking as if Obama inherited a great solid economy. He inherited, by ALL economists opinion, a total and complete mess. Check with all the folks who lost homes, retirements, etc and are still struggling.

Campaign is over..Trump is President. No more need to tout anything, just discuss facts.

He IS FACTUALLY inheriting a very much stronger economy.

Can it be improved..sure hope so. So many economists say it cannot show up to 4% GDP growth annually as the new President says. I sure hope he is right. But come on.....compare today to 8 years ago...not even close. Pat whomever you want on the back, but it HAS improved A LOT. Let's hope it keeps going in the same direction at the speed Trump,says.

Rockyrd 12-03-2016 06:31 PM

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I'm not teaching naysayers how to use Google unless you're buying the beer

Smartass remark with no actual facts. Suggest maybe I could teach you, although unlike you, I make no bravado claims. I ASKED you for a link....you have none. End of story.

ColdNoMore 12-03-2016 07:18 PM

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You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.

Are you serious?

Coming from a supporter of the guy who cheats small contractors because he can and has filed bankruptcy numerous times, versus finding a way to protect an entire industry of which millions depend upon...is beyond being a hypocritical partisan hack. :oops:

Which means you've just proved my meme correct...thanks. :thumbup:

http://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/...f1&oe=58C28257



You're very welcome. :wave:

Don Baldwin 12-03-2016 07:22 PM

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You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.

You're welcome.:D

They cheated EVERYONE...bond holders, stock holders...one day there was a "new" GM with all new owners...the original owners were left with nothing.

It's like one day, the house you paid for, is given to another family while you slept at night. You wake up and it's not your house any more...it was taken from you and given to another.

Corruption.


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