well there is always..
 

We can beat Hillary's e-mail to DEATH. EVERY ONE has been checking the e-mail forever and NO ONE cares except Republicans, because that's all they got!

You just keep feeding yourself that partisan line of BS.

Totally ignoring the real issues of the overall circumstance.

We understand some are not allowed to go beyond that which the party dictates, and the positions you are obligated to to take......whether truthful or factual being completely ignored.

this is working its way to RICCO charges, so if you don't understand what went on get informed before

Hopefully! There just has to be some vestige of hope that some where in the system there is a recognition that something has been done that something illegal was done, knowingly or otherwise.

Even if it winds up being excused in what ever form it manifests itself.

The fact of the laws being violated need to be recognized at some point.

The Clinton supporters do not care since all that matters to them is party first....no matter who or what.

THE EXACT SAME SCRUTINY needs to be applied to Donald J Trump and as the new information (overshadowed by the Clinton stuff) comes out (see the new Wash Post BOOK). I suspect that you will be hearing much of the same.

Point is....Trump versus Clinton....both should be arrested now.

Replacement candidates so we can actually discuss issues.

My bet is that if anyone is charged, it will be Trump well before Clinton. We have not even scratched the surface with him.

Sorry...thought this dang thread was about Trumps secret and HUGE debt to China, Russia and the like. Imagine, a President PERSONALLY indebted to those countries in the millions ??? WOW

But sorry,...here I thought that was what this was about...silly me.

Carry on...they are both crooks and if your political party demands you attack one or the other, then lets at least stay on point within a thread

Impossible

Silly, get to casino quick they need your money

Where did he personally guarantee the loans?

Russia? where?

Huge debt, you know little about biz buddy, that is about 5% of his assets, peanuts.


Nothing that he's says rises to the level of her perjury, lies and money laundering.

see if this helps understand better (perhaps Cpa can explain better)


Debt ratios can be used to describe the financial health of individuals, businesses or governments. Like other accounting ratios, investors and lenders calculate the debt ratio for a business from major financial statements.

The debt ratio for a given company reveals whether or not it has loans and, if so, how its credit financing compares to its assets. It is calculated by dividing total liabilities by total assets, with higher debt ratios indicating higher degrees of debt financing. Whether or not a debt ratio is good depends on the context within which it is being analyzed.

From a pure risk perspective, lower ratios (0.4 or lower) are considered better debt ratios. Since the interest on a debt must be paid regardless of business profitability, too much debt may compromise the entire operation if cash flow dries up. Companies unable to service their own debt may be forced to sell off assets or declare bankruptcy.

A higher debt ratio (0.6 or higher) makes it more difficult to borrow money. Lenders often have debt ratio limits and do not extend further credit to firms that are over-leveraged. Of course, there are other factors as well, such as credit worthiness, payment history and professional relationships.

On the other hand, investors rarely want to purchase the stock of a company with extremely low debt ratios. A debt ratio of zero would indicate that the firm does not finance increased operations through borrowing at all, which limits the total return that can be realized and passed on to shareholders. While the debt to equity ratio is a better measure of opportunity cost than the basic debt ratio, this principle still holds true: there is some risk associated with having too little debt.

Generally speaking, larger and more established companies are able to push the liabilities side of their ledgers further than newer or smaller companies. Larger companies tend to have more solidified cash flows, and they are also more likely to have negotiable relationships with their lenders.

Debt ratios are also interest rate sensitive; all-interest bearing assets have interest rate risk, whether they are business loans or bonds. During times of high interest rates, good debt ratios tend to be lower than during low-rate periods. The same principal amount is more expensive to pay off at 10% than it is at 5%.

This still doesn't effectively answer the question regarding a good or bad debt ratio. There is a sense that all debt ratio analysis must be done on a company-by-company basis. Balancing the dual risks of debt – credit risk and opportunity cost – is something that all companies must do. Certain sectors are more prone to large levels of indebtedness than others, however. Capital-intensive businesses, such as manufacturing or utilities, can get away with slightly higher debt ratios when they are expanding operations. Evaluate industry standards and historical performance relative to debt levels. Many investors look for a company to have a debt ratio between 0.3 and 0.6.

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Cnm et al have zero facts concerning trump wrongdoing. Every treasonist thing Hillary has done dictates that even if elected she will be impeached. But the smart money is on trump!

Think about it husband wife impeachment, funny. Two pieces of Merda

Interesting how you folks know so much about Trumps money.

He lied SUBSTANTIALLY on his original filed documents, and will not allow the voters to see his tax return, even those not being audited.

I put them both in the same category....I can't defend or support Clinton based on what I don't know, and Trump, WHO BY THE WAY HAS MANY MORE SECRETS simply based on Clinton leading a very public life.

Trump has already lied numerous times on his finances...we now know he sort of misstated his number of bankruptcies for one, and lied on his initial filings.

So, I guess it is pick your poison. We know more about Clinton, but anyone...ANYONE, since this is about Trump...ANYONE who says they know anything at all about Trumps finances lis just blowing smoke.

Funny, we KNOW he will be going to court based on accusations of fraud concerning Trump U, and can only surmise about the states that we're going to prosecute until something occurred..in Florida a substantial "contribution" to the attorney general.

We KNOW about all the fines he has paid base in his PERSONAL actions regarding race in his businesses.

We KNOW he has told so many lies on this campaign they have seperate websites to keep up. The one that made me laugh was how he boasted about his hotels supplying child care for employees. Of course, the correction was it was ONLY for guests.

We know a lot, but you are correct....Trump has more secrets than Clinton for sure.

lied, like what?

He never filed bankruptcy ever.

He had 4 companies that filed a chapter 11, do you you know that in an 11 people are paid albeit less but better than zero.

all employees are paid in full along with all taxes as mandated under the Bankruptcy Act.

In an 11 the company and all employees kept working, it is a positive not negative thing to do rather than close the doors and walk away, it's called reorganization, thousands of companies exercise their rights to do so.

Eastman Kodak, Texaco, Dow Corning, Delta Airlines and United Airlines. oh and the small company called GM.

"Bankruptcy does not have the stigma attached to it that is used to have,"

Actually it was 6 times. He said never, then 4, but the number is 6.

Would not call it a positive thing because people lose lots of money, but I suppose it is how you view it. But it is a practice he has perfected.

On the lies, you certainly must be kidding. He lies...well, recently there were fact checks done on his first ad, and there was a lie every 4 seconds.

If you believe him to be honest, then you certainly must live in a cave.

He is just about the most pathological liar, self centered egoist, insensitive, unfeeling, immoral .....but I digress from his debts and ties to foreign countries.

Time will come soon when he will be called on lots of this. He is spending his time now proffering the conspiracy theories being fed. I knew about the health of Clinton conspiracy...just heard about he and that Hannity joker lying about Trump sending a helicopter to save some marines...he made that up.

How the heck do you elect a person like that to anything, and then weigh a man who lies like he does having vast financial interests in Russia and China ? When I think back to the attacks in Romney, I must laugh.

Trumps time is coming...that I KNOW and the books on this person are ugly.

I feel bad for his supporters, as I did with Madoffs. They are following a pied piper of lies.

Speaking of the multiple Trump lies, this piece was sad, but humorous....

"The lying started at 7:27 a.m. and did not stop until after dark.
Even for Donald Trump, Monday, Aug. 1, was a banner day for bull****.
With 100 days until Election Day, the Republican presidential nominee decisively rejected suggestions that he make some attempt to appear statesmanlike in his campaign against Hillary Clinton, opting to commit fully to the erraticism and dishonesty that characterized his performance in the Republican primary. "

15 Hours of Donald Trump’s Lies - The Daily Beast

Then this piece from Newsweek....

"That makes no sense, and here’s a crucial thing to know about Trump: He never tries to make his lies or delusions or fantasies make sense. He just spews to explain away the inexplicable."

Donald Trump’s History of Lying Under Oath

Experience tells me that most Trumpers do not read or CARE about lying. They join Trump in blaming the media, not saints for sure, but he believes them to be always wrong.....

EXCEPT if they, using his words "like him"

"The consensus among non-partisan observers is that the speech that Donald Trump gave about ISIS was so full of lies, inconsistencies, and gibberish that it made no sense."


The Reviews Are In: Trump ISIS Speech Was Full Of Lies And Gibberish That Made No Sense

trump going to trial for trump university. Once a con man, always a con man.

that is not yet decided, correct.

or do you know otherwise?

How does that work out with our top secrets being place on unsecured devices by what's her name???:posting:

Not an expert, but you seem to completely change the thread every time you get responses you don't like.

The thread is about Trump. You said he didn't lie. It has been shown that he is pathological.

Then you go to Clinton instead of facing the fact they both suck..big time.

Keep on the thread. Lots others for you to vent on Clinton

Some interesting reading......

Trump ranks higher than Hitler in psychopath test - NY Daily News

Has he lied to Congress?

She did

Who committed Perjury?

Who may be facing RICCO charges?

who made over 100 million dollars after leaving the WH broke?

Who risked top secrets in private servers.

Who dropped the ball in Bengazi?

His lies are nothing in comparison.

Are we better off now in the last 8 years, do we want another 4 of the same.

Trumps debt is nothing a non issue moreover, it's corporate not personal

A Trump poster listing charges, all with some merit, none proven at all in a thread about Trumps debt.

Amazing the inability to concentrate on here by some.

Oh, and Trumps debt to Russia and China, and his financial interests there...well, let's just say, it IS an issue, which he could take a gigantic step toward by releasing his taxes and telling the truth.

Let's all agree that no matter what issue anybody comes up with or invents or lies about involving Trump, that none can be anymore serious than all the illegal activity and crimes commited by Clinton.

And if you supportes of Clinton have no problem with her then you have no :censored: isues with Trump.....NONE by comparison.

Put that in your :censored: pipe and smoke it!

First, it is sort of immature and ill informed to say "lets all agree". A bit presumptuous in my opinion since there are no charges or crime that I am aware of against Clinton.

I hate when you ill informed, short tempered folks come on here and make me defend Clinton, someone I do not trust nor could ever vote for.

YET.....your shortsighted, shallow thinking makes you think that political slander is actually the basis for a crime. GROW UP.

Secondly, if we are comparing actual incidents with officials where someone is found guilty by more than political assertions, Trump wins hands down.

You folks have left planet earth are on a planet created by the right wing conspiracy theorists employed by the Trump campaign.

Actually it is quite funny to see a 70 year old man who is very overweight talking about the health of a woman is younger and has been much more active than he in recent years.

Please be specific on how he "lied substantially." I know you will not answer because YOU are the liar, just like cnm and those creepy clinton supporters.

Once again nothing specific, just a large lie by YOU. What racial personal action did he commit that resulted in a fine? Show it to me or get your frigging shine box.

People here ranting bad things about trump obviously never owned even a small business, let alone many many large corporations. Many clinton supporters here are retired teachers, with very short haircuts,(not that there is anything wrong with that) that never signed a paycheck in their lives.

If you had many corporations worth billions that did not have a lot of litigation that would be suspicious. THE TRUMP corporations are the plaintiffs in the majority of its litigation.

I am gong to ask you very nicely to refrain from the name calling. I have yet to lie to you and in fact if you read the previous posts, you are precariously close to constant over statements.

"An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] A number of other cases (over 150) were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3]

The topics of the legal cases include contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment and rape.[1][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes.[1] On a number of occasions, Trump has threatened legal action but did not ultimately follow through.[7]

Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Trump initially came to public attention in 1973 when he was accused by the Justice Department of violations of the Fair Housing Act in the operation of 39 buildings.[13] The government alleged that Trump's corporation quoted different rental terms and conditions to blacks and made false "no vacancy" statements to blacks for apartments they managed in Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.[14]"



Not suggesting anything by any of this, but to make some claim about his opponent while having such a background which includes dealing with criminal elements, is simply lunacy.

It is fine to have passion for someone you support but at least keep it in the realm of something reasonable,

The constant harrangues by Trump and his stooges on Clintons health are simply elementary school silliness which is an attribute that can be laid inside much of his campaign.

Fact is I offer this to you as a typical example of this low life's approach to everything....just lie and cheat and hope nobody notices....

Since Clinton had her health records made public, Trump was asked to do the same....This is how Newsweek viewed it...

"It purports to be a medical letter, but it is one of the most ridiculous documents ever to emerge in any political campaign. First, the letterhead is in the same font as the letter, which appears to have been created using Microsoft Word. The signature from the doctor is several inches past the signature line—the result you might get if the document had been signed as a blank and filled in later. The letterhead includes a Gmail address—something doctors tell me is extremely unusual, since doctors do not want patients contacting them directly by email as a substitute for scheduling an appointment.

There is also a website listed, but if you follow the URL (haroldbornsteinmd.com), sometimes it takes you to cdn.freefarcy.com, a blank page that asks if you want to upload an update to a Flash program onto your computer (the domain name, freefarcy.com, is still for sale. No, I can’t explain that.) If you decline, it does so anyway and, based on the response of the security system on my computer, the “program” on the doctor’s supposed website is a virus. (Other times it takes you to a generic medical website. No, I can't explain that either.)


Donald Trump Tests Positive for Everything, According to His Own Doctor

I bring up the health issue because you and others are simply accepting what this man says. Please do some research....this is not a man to be in our Oval Office.

And the subject of the thread....his debts.

"He’s so rich. He’s a successful businessman. He can’t be bought.

He can be indebted to foreign investors, however.

The Washington Examiner is reporting that Trump owes money – a lot of money – to some sources that aren’t exactly in line with his campaign rhetoric."

"Trump’s federal financial disclosure form that he’d released earlier in the campaign fell slightly under half of that amount, by claiming a debt of $315 million. That would be the usual Trump, however, as he lies his way through the campaign, creating an illusion of who he is and his success, rather than giving the real story.

How Much Money Does Donald Trump Owe China? | RedState



I for one do not want my President in debt to Russia and/or China in the millions and 'owing" them anything.

The innuendos on here about Clinton literally pale when you read the innuendos on Trump and his past associations...not speaking of the many women with whom he cheated on his wife with, but.....and this IS an innuendo....

"Journalists David Cay Johnston and Wayne Barrett, the latter of whom wrote an unauthorized 1992 Trump biography, have claimed that Trump and his companies did business with New York and Philadelphia families linked to the Italian-American Mafia.[126][127] A reporter for the Washington Post writes, "he was never accused of illegality, and observers of the time say that working with the mob-related figures and politicos came with the territory."[128]

Trump helped a financier for the Scarfo family get a casino license, and constructed a casino using firms controlled by Nicodemo Scarfo.[129] Trump also bought real estate from Philadelphia crime family member Salvatore Testa, and bought concrete from companies associated with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family.[126][127][128] Trump Plaza paid a $450,000 fine leveled by the Casino Gaming Commission for giving $1.6 million in rare automobiles to Robert LiButti, the acquaintance of John Gotti already mentioned.[33]

Starting in 2003, the Trump Organization worked with Felix Sater, who had a 1998 racketeering conviction for a $40 million Mafia-linked stock fraud scheme, and who had then become an informant against the mafia.[130] Trump's attorney has said that Sater worked with Trump scouting real estate opportunities, but was never formally employed.[131]"



Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the all knowing, all seeing, blow my horn, even though I don't know jack $hit, but cover it up by insulting others that do not share the same opinion.

Your continual qualifiers of what you think you know only demonstarte insecurity. Speak from knowledge and see where the chips lie.

And one who thinks they are qualified to judge immaturety or wisdom and then follow up with the school yard BS name calling.

My better judgement stops me from saying what I really think of your BS post.

Too bad there is not at least a bite me emoticon....I would use it now!

And this is my positive reaction to the BS, non value adding waste of time post presented.

just wondering
 

1. You are typical of the reason I, and others do not post on here.

2. You are everything, and more, that people say of you.

Will take my leave

Enjoy your deluded and non reality world. As they told me..you ain't that smart but have an opinion of yourself that smacks of problems.

No sweat..won't correct you any longer and you can take your insults and spread them among others.

If you think that was name calling you may need to leave the kitchen:1rotfl:



First you need to break that down over 40 years, less than 100 a year.

For a company that size it's not unusual, to someone that's not a business person it may look that way, but you fail to disclose how many of those cases were settled or won by his Org.

For example there were many trademark infringement lawsuits, I can tel you as trademark owner, you are required by Fed Law to police your trademark, by policing it means litigating. I had 14 lawsuits in one year, that was small company, (we won all of them)
Infringes have to be stopped or you risk losing the trademark


Funny you said "refrain from the name calling." now you go and do it.


no proof he was bought but Clintons foundation was.

Pay for play



But you want to have someone that owes favors for the 2 billion dollars donated to the foundation. All over the news in the past 48 hours

you talking with forked tongue

[QUOTE=Guest;1277030]did business with New York and Philadelphia families linked to the Italian-American Mafia.[126][127] A reporter for the Washington Post writes, "he was never accused of illegality, and observers of the time say that working with the mob-related figures and politicos came with the territory."[128]

...... bought concrete from companies associated with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family.l

I guess you think at that time you could buy concrete from anyone else in NY.

Guess what there was no choice.

Welcome to NY years ago.

You are entitled to your opinion, even though they are inaccurate or incorrect. They are yours and you are entitled.

I am amused how you take offense at anothers description or opinion....especially accusing one of calling names and being offensive. Go back and read your first response.

I usually respond in kind. So what you take offense or exception should be very familar to you.

The commentary of what others you comment have said about me is really, REALLY amusing....given the anonymity of guest or even the regular TOTV screen name. Speculation; conjecture; BS!

The same location as Hillary's 50,000 missing emails. What's more important? If the IRS doesn't have a problem with Trump's tax return then what business is it of yours?

tax returns are not required by law.

Destroying evidence is against the law, as in emails :boom:

Correct. And destroying classified information incorrectly is also breaking the law. If any of those emails contained classified information, then she broke the law. But, she has violated every gov regulation that ALL other gov employees are held accountable to anyway.

[QUOTE=Guest;1277077]There were other companies to buy concrete from, but the donald chose to deal with the mafia at an inflated price so they would't say anything about him using undocumented labor. This is your hero, a mobster and law breaker, it's documented.

If?

you're being kind, they are so redacted the congressional committee can't read them, because the redacted info is above their security clearance.

I don't think her yoga info would be redacted?:1rotfl: