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Posted by Guest (Post 202079)

Can someone please restate the purpose of this rant? It has gone on so long that I have forgotten. There must be at least 2 positions.

Is it anti-religion?

Is it anti-American ?

Is it anti-constitutional?

Is it, is it, What the he.. is it?

Yoda:shrug:

I think RANT was the key word in your post....

I think both sides look at the same thing in two different ways.

Generally liberals and or atheists tend to believe it means (separation of church and state so called) no government involvement or support of religion in any way.

Conservatives believe it means what the Constitution literally says, in that the government can't pass any laws with respect to religion.

It is very clear that religion i.e. the Bible was an every day part of government and our schools from day one.

Contrast that today where the ACLU and others have made every attempt possible to completely eliminate it from any government entity to the point where they will sue even of a city puts a nativity scene on city hall property or the school wants a prayer before a football game... or even the words in God We Trust on our money.

I don't think that's what Jefferson had in mind.... do you?

The makeup (diversity) of the U.S. is much different than in Jefferson's day. Laws need to reflect changes like this.

Not exactly hitch hiking, but continuing from wehre

dklassen left off....aclu, et al.......that is their sole goal and purpose for existing. And the point to be made is these are much smaller organizations than ANY representative groups that support what these minority (not race!!) groups are against. YET, they get their way!

Until such time as the majority in this Country gets off the couch, off their cell phone, etc.....they will continue to be taken for a ride...that THEY themselves will deem ..."is not right".

Apathy, appears to be the incurable disease we are confronted with (for years). The Republicans lost the election ....by not a huge margin the numbers will tell us. And each of the religious infringements the aclu and others gain, yields more to their purpose.

And unfortunately the longer the apathy remains, the more it becomes an acceptable (to some) way of life. Then time will take a lot of us out of the majority and the apathy will become the norm.....BUT NOT BY THE MAJORITY ANY LONGER!!!

I have harped this for years.....to little avail...apathy doesn't seem to truly describe the loss of the values this country was founded upon.

We still have a few years left to shift the momentum, but I fear it will never happen....folks are just too busy.....:cus::censored:

BTK

Some want America to bend it's ways (or maybe bend over is the correct term) and do away with it's traditions in the name of diversity. I say if you want to be an American you need to respect our ways and traditions that have been with us since day one.

If you want to practice Buddhism, fine that is your First Amendment right and I support you 100%. However that doesn't mean that we have to take down our Ten Commands or nativity scenes so we don't offend Buddhists.

Well... some think we should. I'm not one of them.

You're Getting Your Chain Yanked!!

Ptownrob loves to stir the pot and get people to react to him. His post here and his even more juvenile one "It's the villagers here who are out of touch!" are typical of middle school boys trying to sound smart. While the US was founded by men who believed strongly in Christian values and assumed they would always be the underpinning of this nation - it is clear today that we have largely moved away from these values.

Let's Close the post & Massive Projection

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Posted by Guest (Post 202198)

Aside from the personal attack (take note Yoda), you must be projecting a former student, or some unresolved issue onto me. No biggie. It just always bewilders, and bemuses me that both "sides" love to throw the very weakness they have at the other side.

Let's just leave it at "take the Plank from your own eye before removing the splinter of another." Or People who live in glass houses...or drawing sins in the sand. On a visceral side, it's that energy you get from saying, "GOTCH-YA" without realizing or recognizing that the only one who got "got" was the speaker. Shakespeare (Hamlet) called it being hoisted by one's own petard.

Dem. Elliot Spitzer caught with prostitutes after preaching all sorts of morality.
Rush getting caught with 3,000 oxycontin tablets after preaching for stronger drug laws.
Jimmy Swaggert & Jim Bakker getting caught with whores after preaching judgment against those who practiced infidelity.
Ted Haggard condemning homosexuality while using male prostitutes and crystal meth.

So BBMan, while you seem so quick to judge "me" you seem unwilling to accept that I am not a nation to myself. I represent the positions and opinions of tens of millions of Americans who love this country as much as you claim to, except we choose to display that love in a way that seems to threaten the conservative mindset. If you knock this straw man (me) down, then the reality of your rants will suddenly have all the Truth of God the Conquering Hero returning to His chosen country.

I'm not against having the 10 Commandments up in public places, or allowing a minute of silence in public schools for, "prayer or reflection- according to one's beliefs or desires." And I don't believe that means every other faith or belief has to be equally represented. I would object to public students being forced to recite the Lord's Prayer or Ten 'Hail Marys'. I would object to government paying for some statue or monument, or of it being placed in such a manner as to "block" entry to a building, as the judge in Kansas unsuccessfully tried to do.

Billie, I believe you mistake "apathy" for millions who simply don't agree with you. You rant about the greatness of this nation, yet when it doesn't move, or doesn't stay traditional, then you rant about apathy and the ACLU.

The ACLU is a valuable organization in this nation, as is the NRA or any other advocacy group that seeks to keep our Constitutional Rights safe and untrod upon. Without the ACLU, government has no "check" to balance it against tyranny. And don't count on corporate controlled media to stand up for you.

For example, no one would have brought suit to expose what is rapidly becoming a scandal about torture that Americans were carrying out at the same time the President was swearing to the UN that "Americans don't torture."

I'm presupposing that you find that whole exercise distasteful or anti-American, when in fact, millions of Americans believe investigations of these abuses represent the BEST of America.

I agree with closing, but must add a few comments

Ptown.

There was no personal attack on you. In fact there was no attack on you � either implied or actual. If you believe that I am �judging you� by describing your teabaging comment as juvenile and simply middle school sexual maturity, you are either dead wrong or totally disconnected from reality. Your teabaging post was clearly juvenile. If you are so inclined, please tell me/us why, �dipping your teabags on John McCain's head� was not, at best, a middle school rant. As to, �the Truth of God the Conquering Hero returning to His chosen country.�, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about � do you?

Ptown, You are a bright and capable person. Please stop the kos comments and start using your own mind.

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Posted by Guest (Post 202227)

I've got to agree, we've gone off on the wildest of tangents from a topic that started with whether we were founded as a "Conservative Christian Nation."

BBQ/Billie/Steve/Yoda & Dkl.. State that I love "to stir the pot." Well, first problem with that is the implication that somehow, you guys "own the pot"!!!
As far as I can tell, this is a political discussion board, not a "We are conservatives, come commiserate and agree with us" discussion board.

And yes, as you all know, whoever posts the first topic DOES steer the subsequent direction of the string (unless like this one, it goes wildly off course)

Aside from the personal attack (take note Yoda), you must be projecting a former student, or some unresolved issue onto me. No biggie. It just always bewilders, and bemuses me that both "sides" love to throw the very weakness they have at the other side.

Let's just leave it at "take the Plank from your own eye before removing the splinter of another." Or People who live in glass houses...or drawing sins in the sand. On a visceral side, it's that energy you get from saying, "GOTCH-YA" without realizing or recognizing that the only one who got "got" was the speaker. Shakespeare (Hamlet) called it being hoisted by one's own petard.

Dem. Elliot Spitzer caught with prostitutes after preaching all sorts of morality.
Rush getting caught with 3,000 oxycontin tablets after preaching for stronger drug laws.
Jimmy Swaggert & Jim Bakker getting caught with whores after preaching judgment against those who practiced infidelity.
Ted Haggard condemning homosexuality while using male prostitutes and crystal meth.

So BBMan, while you seem so quick to judge "me" you seem unwilling to accept that I am not a nation to myself. I represent the positions and opinions of tens of millions of Americans who love this country as much as you claim to, except we choose to display that love in a way that seems to threaten the conservative mindset. If you knock this straw man (me) down, then the reality of your rants will suddenly have all the Truth of God the Conquering Hero returning to His chosen country.

I'm not against having the 10 Commandments up in public places, or allowing a minute of silence in public schools for, "prayer or reflection- according to one's beliefs or desires." And I don't believe that means every other faith or belief has to be equally represented. I would object to public students being forced to recite the Lord's Prayer or Ten 'Hail Marys'. I would object to government paying for some statue or monument, or of it being placed in such a manner as to "block" entry to a building, as the judge in Kansas unsuccessfully tried to do.

Billie, I believe you mistake "apathy" for millions who simply don't agree with you. You rant about the greatness of this nation, yet when it doesn't move, or doesn't stay traditional, then you rant about apathy and the ACLU.

The ACLU is a valuable organization in this nation, as is the NRA or any other advocacy group that seeks to keep our Constitutional Rights safe and untrod upon. Without the ACLU, government has no "check" to balance it against tyranny. And don't count on corporate controlled media to stand up for you.

For example, no one would have brought suit to expose what is rapidly becoming a scandal about torture that Americans were carrying out at the same time the President was swearing to the UN that "Americans don't torture."

I'm presupposing that you find that whole exercise distasteful or anti-American, when in fact, millions of Americans believe investigations of these abuses represent the BEST of America.

Nicley Put!!! They are way to many people and views of different opinions on here to set back and call the kettle black. Heck I guess now a days that would be politically incorrect to make that statement. Bottom Line is he made a statement, and seems he believes in this statement. Why is he so wrong for having that view of things. I agree we should not change or take down our nativity scenes either. But things changes, things move in different directions, things happen for a reason.

But just because one person views it differently than some of us dont make them a uneducated person. Many times I have wanted to just sit here and write a huge rebuttal to most of this, but why cut a person off at the knee for saying something. Talking about middle school BS that is. One of those he hurt my feelings now take that back rants.

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