health care reform, the latest hold out, Nelson, gets what he wants for his state in return for "caving" in. What a ruse? What a joke! Isn't that sort of flaunting the political way of Washington in the face of we the people? And the media very handy to rub it in. How stupid have we become to allow the charade(s) to continue?

Here is the article about what he did (which conveniently excludes what he got for his state):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...900797_pf.html

Check out the second to the last paragraph on costs of the program. They continue to promote that the cuts in Medicare will offset the cost.....it will not happen....then what?
They are going to raise taxes on insurers....then what.....the insurers will pass it along to their subscribers!!!!

The Medicare system is forecast to go into bankruptcy in a few short years.
This has been know and talked about for years. Nothing was ever done about it....those same so called known high or abusive costs have been there for years with not a hint of correction. Now they want to add an unknown number to a system that is already failing.....how does that work?

Remember Amtrac? It was supposed to turn a profit shortly after being taken over by the government....that has been over 20 years ago. They are in the current budget for almost 2 billion in subsidies because they are running at a loss. Not even a thought about reducing expenses or better yet let it go back to private industry.

If someone has any insight why they believe the health care reform will be handled any differently than Washington has ever handled anything concerning money/costs....please enlighten me.

I especially want to hear from those who support the bill and why they believe the government is going to do something they have proven time and again they cannot do.....reduce costs.....eliminate waste....stop Amtrac like charades.....it is not going to happen.

I also would like to be enlightened why this legislation is proceeding with top priority against the priorities of Americans (it is third on the list)....why is it proceeding with dispatch when significantly more than 50% of Americans do not want this legislation?

I anxiously wait to be enlightened.....which as in the past won't happen either.

I am not looking forward to a Christmas Eve and Christmas morning reserved for a much higher order of celebration than Washington could ever aspire to, listening to what a great (snow) job Harry Reid and his gang pulled off

btk

This literally makes me sick. I knew Nelson would cave, but I kept holding out hope. The whole thing was a charade. Billie, I think you know why they are pushing this though as fast as they can. They couldn't care less that 61% of the people don't want this boondoggle. As I have said before, it is all about control and power. Disgusting!!!

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

This literally makes me sick. I knew Nelson would cave, but I kept holding out hope. The whole thing was a charade. Billie, I think you know why they are pushing this though as fast as they can. They couldn't care less that 61% of the people don't want this boondoggle. As I have said before, it is all about control and power. Disgusting!!!

There is hope for the future. Not Obama hope but Conservative hope.

The Liberals may well be sealing their doom with this tax and control bill.

Next November we can take back the House and Senate then repeal this monstrosity and get some common sense back in our lives.

It appears that the Obamamania is over so we can now start planning for next November.

It is beginning to look like God is finally getting involved.

I hope you are right, Cashman, but we would have to have a veto proof congress.

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

I hope you are right, Cashman, but we would have to have a veto proof congress.

it is possible if we all vote next year and get others to do likewise.

Cashman, I worry about the next election. With ACORN and maybe illegals being made legal by next November, not that they don't often already vote, I worry about our chances. Anything close the Democrats will win.

RE-ELECT NO ONE!!!!!!!!!

btk

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

Cashman, I worry about the next election. With ACORN and maybe illegals being made legal by next November, not that they don't often already vote, I worry about our chances. Anything close the Democrats will win.

WE are facing corruption potential so bad that our entire future as a free country is at stake.

Conservative hope and change is our only chance. We must outvote the haters of Bush,free enterprise and the American way of life.

Umm... Even Glenn Beck didn't like Bush - he said as much on Friday night's Leno show. When pressed as to who he WOULD like to see in the White House, he couldn't come up with a single current politician, but said he was sure that, in this country of 300 million people there WERE good, qualified people.

All he would have to do is mention a name....any name....either party to start a new furor/controversy. He will, as they all will, when the time is right and the sorting process narrows the filed of those worthy of the anointing process (either party).

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

All he would have to do is mention a name....any name....either party to start a new furor/controversy. He will, as they all will, when the time is right and the sorting process narrows the filed of those worthy of the anointing process (either party).

btk

OooooooK! Ya lost me on this one! What the heck are you talking about???

Middle of the night votes. Slight of hand switching bills that haven't been read at all, pay-off's to crooked politicians, all the while to the protests of the majority.. who have finally woken up.

Too bad they didn't see this coming like some of us did. If you believe in nothing you will fall for anything and they sure fell for this one.

I heard some figures today that if they get all they want, the federal government could control over 70% of the private sector economy.

2010 - throw the bums out.

dklassen: I don't expect you to have it all committed to memory, but can you at least give a hint of what the "70%" of the economy is? If you add the taxes we all pay (as a percentage of GDP) and the 17% that would be under "health care" if we went to a socialist model (which this bill doesn't do) you fall VERY far short of a number like that.

I'm curious as to the justification of "70%"

What happened to "no more pork" and "no more special interests"? One thing for sure, it's a "change".......certainly from what was promised, that is.

I'm not referring to taxes although that's coming. Wait and see what happens to your Medicare benefits and premiums.

When you add up the car industry, the health care system, banks, insurance, student loans and other economy intrusions by the government it could if they stay the course add up to a majority control of private sector interests. They are also passing bills where they can control pay, profits, growth and more. I can't remember the entire list but it was a lot longer than the 5 I listed.

I used to work for a company that provided private student loans. Guess what? No more company. Gone, 700 employees... poof.

Funny how Obama announces a withdrawal time-line for Afghanistan but no withdrawal time-line from the private sector. We are being taken over by the government.