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Don Baldwin 04-18-2017 10:32 AM

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Freedom of speech is most important when the person speaking does not agree with you.

Yes it is...YOU can always ignore them...which is also your right.

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So, correct me if I am wrong. And I am not going to attempt to debate you. You will always win the argument.

You are pretty much against diversity and feel that any ethnicity but whites are inferior. Paraphrasing, of course.

You are neither Republican nor Democrat.

You are an atheist and do not believe in a divinity.

You believe that everyone in gov. is corrupt. Paraphrasing again.

You believe that women are inferior.

Did I leave anything out?

No? Well, if you are against everything and believe in nothing, what is your purpose? Or, do you only believe in yourself as your own private divinity?

I have also come to the conclusion that no matter what anyone says on here, you will argue or criticize their thoughts. Not just disagree with them. And the purpose of my observation is not to disparage you, because I believe that everyone should be an individual and own their own values.

Like I said, I am not disparaging you, just making an observation. What keeps you alive?

By the way, in every argument you have made in this forum, you have provided a link to some reference that supports your view, EXCEPT when talking about religion.

Overall...yes. When humanity is taken as a whole, whites have become the zenith. We have literally taken over the world. Western civilization is everywhere. If English is spoken in any percentage of the population...it's become "Westernized"...white. Blacks didn't bring the world together, Asians didn't go into space in the 1960s, S Americans didn't invade Europe...whites invaded them, overwhelmingly. Whites are western civilization and therefore the pinnacle of the human race. We have the Newtons and Einsteins. Asians are smart too...but don't have the drive, ambition, aggression whites do to control things. White are always moving forward, inventing, expanding...etc. Blacks ARE at the bottom...always and everywhere.

BOTH parties are completely corrupt. Why should I support either? Because I may agree with more "positions", FAKE positions one espouses over the other? They're BOTH full of frauds, psychopaths seeking power and money.

How could anyone with ANY rational though believe in a "divinity"...a "God" who was ALWAYS there and created everything...oh, and to top it off...he's involved with our lives. He's CONCERNED with what some "bugs" on a tiny speck of rock in an infinite universe are doing day to day...and he's judging them each as they die and putting them where they "belong". Do I have the main gist of religion, Abrahamic religion...pretty close?

They are...if you took a random group of women and another group of men and you dropped them off in the jungle. Which group do you think would still be alive a year later? Do you think there would be ANY women? Why is there women's and men's leagues/divisions in EVERYTHING? Men ALWAYS beat women. There is NO record I'm aware of held by a woman that NO man could beat. We're DIFFERENT...that's how "I" like to refer to it. We've each specialized.

That same purpose you have...make more of me and make the world a better place than when I got here. I did the first part...now I'm working on the second...making YOU aware that America is RAPIDLY falling...and it WON'T be able to get back up. We ARE being bred out. Hispanics ARE rapidly becoming the majority. They ALREADY ARE below age 7. I'm trying to get everyone to realize that we ARE losing our culture and our race. We were 90% in the 1950s where we were #1 as a country. We're now down to 49% of the population and #25 in the world. Within 30 years we'll be 25% of the population and "Mexico II" will be ranked around #75. Whit people are dying of old age MUST faster than we're reproducing. We're committing self genocide.

That's not true. I've put things. The trouble is...EVERYTHING from the past regarding religion...and MOST of the "his-tory" comes from the church and religious sources. It's ALL on sided. Most of my argument about religion is the whole thing is absurd right from the start. An "all powerful, all knowing, "God", created EVERYTHING? Where did this "God" come from? God had to get there somehow. Religion just goes downhill from there... The Torah, OT Bible stories are all based on older stories. The difference between "God" in the OT and NT is night and day...they're not the same person. If you have any idea of the enormity of the universe...you'll quickly realize that "Earth" and us earthlings are NOTHING. There's no God who cares about us, no aliens coming to eat us or enslave us.

We're just bugs, here for a time to make more bugs, and enjoy living until we die.

graciegirl 04-18-2017 10:38 AM

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If, you think religion is a beautiful thing, READ a bit of history.

It becomes quite ugly due to people practicing it.

Religion seems to be a human need to explain the unexplainable.

READ about the the Spanish Inquisition where monks recording, in writing, the screaming of people IN PAIN before they converted to Christianity. The Crusades-they did not only murder Moslems, they murdered Jews as well.
The pope told them they could kill for salvation and they could take anything they wanted-so long as the church got their cut. They brought faith to the Incas while stealing gold and bringing them disease. For the American Indians, some of whom actually showed the first settlers-INVADERS-how to survive, in the name of faith, in the name of religion they took the Indian's wealth-their land and they destroyed the Indian's culture. ASIDE-the Indians loved and protected the land. Global warming, excessive population growth-WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
We showed them a better way. IS IT REALLY?????

Could not leave out the Holocaust. We blame Hitler. We must blame Hitler for the establishment of peace. But, GERMANY killed half of the Jews in Europe. The Vatican?
Some helped Jews and some helped the Nazis. RELIGION?????


Let's talk about NOW...or the last thirty years, NOW. One thing I have observed that the suburbs in that time period were largely populated by kids who grew up in Catholic Schools where rules and sins were explained a LOT. The repercussions for their actions was drilled into them and they learned that they were being WATCHED.

It appears that all those rules and all that knuckle smacking put the fear of God in folks enough for them to follow those rules and scare them enough to live maybe psychologically flawed, but at least focused enough to find homes in safe areas for their fledglings, and work hard enough and sacrifice enough to live in those safe areas.

You can argue about religion until the cows come home but that brings us to the question as to who made the cows? Who slopped around into the first ectoplasm became life?

You can also say that humans like fellowship and like to gather when they are happy to celebrate...They want to THANK someone for the good and ask someone not to steal their young away through accident and illness.

I don't know. I am a struggling person who believes strongly in God about half the time. I think religion helps a great deal more than it hurts.

At the end. We all may be greatly surprised.

Don Baldwin 04-18-2017 10:43 AM

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Let's talk about NOW...or the last thirty years, NOW. One thing I have observed that the suburbs in that time period were largely populated by kids who grew up in Catholic Schools where rules and sins were explained a LOT. The repercussions for tjeor actions was drilled into them and they learned that they were being WATCHED.

It appears that all those rules and all that knuckle smacking put the fear of God in folks enough for them to follow those rules and scare them enough to live maybe psychologically flawed, but at least focused enough to find homes in safe areas for their fledglings, and work hard enough and sacrifice enough to live in those safe areas.

You can argue about religion until the cows come home but that brings us to the question as to who made the cows? Who slopped around into the first ectoplasm became life?

You can also say that humans like fellowship and like to gather when they are happy to celebrate...They want to THANK someone for the good and ask someone not to steal their young away through accident and illness.

I don't know. I am a struggling person who believes strongly in God about half the time. I think religion helps a great deal more than it hurts.

At the end. We all may be greatly surprised.

No...you will go to "sleep"...never to wake. Your eyes will shut and your mind will "turn off" one last time. That is the last thought you will have.

People want hope...religion gives them that...and a sense of community...we are "herd" animals.

Taltarzac725 04-18-2017 11:12 AM

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Lol. Had I read these forums before I bought here I probably would have changed my mind. It is absolutely incredible. If TV is "the friendliest community" my mind can't even imagine what an UNfriendly one would be like! It sounds like a bunch of special needs school children.

Ok. I'm Back to lurking. ;)


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I have been here in the Villages since 2005 and almost no people would say this kind of garbage in public.

Fraugoofy 04-18-2017 12:36 PM

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Lol. Had I read these forums before I bought here I probably would have changed my mind. It is absolutely incredible. If TV is "the friendliest community" my mind can't even imagine what an UNfriendly one would be like! It sounds like a bunch of special needs school children.

Ok. I'm Back to lurking. ;)


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I couldn't agree with you more. BTW, I do teach Special Needs school children and even they are not allowed to treat others the way people are treated on TOTV....Peace out!

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graciegirl 04-18-2017 12:37 PM

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Suesie, Are you one of the libturds like ungracie girl trying to insult someone from the backdoor??
ungracie girl posted this on a thread I started with a beautiful albeit third rate (accorbing to cnm and I believe tirdsac)watercolor depiction of an Egret and two babies,,







All I'd like to know is if the dumb bitch thinks I deserve the compliment from Ron Clark, I'm really losing sleep over this sh!t...

I often wonder what it would be like to live in a small town outside of The Villages. There are beautiful waterfront homes, EXPENSIVE waterfront homes in small towns near us. But we have never had a boat. I thought sea captains had salty language but never was called a dumb bitch by anyone, although they may have thought it.

Larry, I really think that if you were in a setting with folks that know you, you wouldn't act so nasty, so degrading, and that you would couch your disapproval in more respectful language.

AND I didn't know that was a water color. Good on you! Did you paint the cat too?

MDLNB 04-18-2017 12:48 PM

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Suesie, Are you one of the libturds like ungracie girl trying to insult someone from the backdoor??
ungracie girl posted this on a thread I started with a beautiful albeit third rate (accorbing to cnm and I believe tirdsac)watercolor depiction of an Egret and two babies,,


All I'd like to know is if the dumb bitch thinks I deserve the compliment from Ron Clark, I'm really losing sleep over this sh!t...

It must be an inside joke, or something, but you really seem to have a problem. Get over it dude. Get on with your life. You are babbling and sound inebriated. Take it outside or just grow up. For crying out loud, you have cried so much that you are going to have us either pulling our hair out or crying too.

Rockyrd 04-18-2017 03:09 PM

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Bucco. Stop whining. Stop with the same things over and over. You think Donald Trump is a liar. We got it.

We are waiting to see if the man will come through with some of the things we want. Things we really believe in.

Many of us anyway. The rest of the people who are whining and acting like children are extremely disheartened that Mrs. Clinton didn't win. I didn't like her and I didn't like Sarah Palin. I am not opposed to a woman being president, but not those two LuLu's.

Anyway, Rubicon calls them ...something...something syndrome and he is right. We didn't whine when Obama won the election. We were pretty quiet and pretty patient and acted like grown up people, for the most part. I cannot get over all this marching and all this bitching and moaning on the part of the left.

Grass Gantner

Is this one of those things "we" (that is such an interesting use of that word..younexclude those who do not love Trump) because it appears that MAYBE he could care less about getting tax reform for "all" Americans, because he does not want Americans to see his tax return. And, nobody cares what he made...the care is what his relationship with other countries and what tax reform might help him. He seems to want to give up on tax reform to protect from being transparent as others have been and for what he always called for...

"WASHINGTON — President Trump’s promise to enact a sweeping overhaul of the tax code is in serious jeopardy nearly 100 days into his tenure, and his refusal to release his own tax returns is emerging as a central hurdle to another faltering campaign promise.

As procrastinators rushed to file their tax returns by Tuesday, the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, emphasized again on Monday that Mr. Trump had no intention of making his public. Democrats have seized on that decision, uniting around a pledge not to cooperate on any rewriting of the tax code unless they know specifically how that revision would benefit the billionaire president and his family.

And a growing roster of more than a dozen Republican lawmakers now say Mr. Trump should release them.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/u...rump.html?_r=0

MDLNB 04-18-2017 03:58 PM

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Just trying to push it to 8 pages..loll.. I have no problems other than the need to go fishing and stir the pot on here...

I think Rocky is doing the same thing. He is trying to convince everyone that being liberal means he is conservative. How that works, only he knows. Well, maybe Tal also.

Rockyrd 04-18-2017 04:30 PM

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I think Rocky is doing the same thing. He is trying to convince everyone that being liberal means he is conservative. How that works, only he knows. Well, maybe Tal also.

YOU got me....that is exactly my intent !!!!!

If only you could be astute when it comes to discussion or sharing in political, but hopefully when you get out of your teens and expand your reading scope, you can talk with the adults.

Why do you and your buddies hang out here ONLY to swap one line smart ass cracks ? Is that the cool thing to do in your neighborhood ?

Your total comprehension is to go after anyone who does not agree with you. That might get you in the gang you have, but it really comes across terribly immature, but hey....what can you do...you work with what you have.

dirtbanker 04-18-2017 05:35 PM

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Why do you and your buddies hang out here ONLY to swap one line smart ass cracks ? Is that the cool thing to do in your neighborhood ?

That is discounting my posts! They usually have a few smart ass comments in them.

I always say: it's better to be a smart ass than a dumb ass...



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autumnspring 04-18-2017 07:08 PM

A outside view of your ****ing match
 
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You really believe my discontent with you revolves around the names you mention ?

It does not at all. You can love, root for anyone you want. That could be political discussion.

No, you judge me personally, and others, or accept or deny rules of TOTV based on politics, That is simply wrong.

If you ever offered any concrete items for discussion, that's fine, but your criticisms of everyone is PERSONAL and based on their politics. Your judgement rule is whether they love Trump or not or how much they hated Obama. I ave very good friends who supported Trump, and we have spirited debates BUT BASED ON TOPICS. By the way, he voted for and supported Trump even though he had great doubts about Trumps character.

Liking or disliking people....respecting people, based on whether they love Trump is basically so immature it defies imagination.

In an earlier post you "implied" that Trumps character was better than Obamas. That is so ludicrious, it simply points out my problem?

If you want to discuss politics, so be it, but you make the case that alarms most Americans. Trump supporters do not even care about his lies or character. It has permeated the world, his lying I speak of, and is and will become a much bigger problem.

When you say "we" and you say it quite a bit, I am not sure of exactly who "we" is but most of us are Just Americans.

Ok..bye..I will interject when you or your hero lies or spreads your phoney facts, but promise not to bother you

YES-sadly you feel you PROGRESSIVE LEFTIST, SOCIALISTS are superior.

You, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE IT are parroting what the democratic party has FED YOU. The TRUTH is that Republicans based on education level-the easiest thing to measure-on average are the same as the democrats.

THE VOTERS OF THE US HAVE SAID IT CLEARLY THAT THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF OBAMA AND IN SPITE OF OBAMA SPENDING PUBLIC FUNDS IN SUPPORT OF HILLARY
YOU CANNOT MAKE A SILK PURSE OUT OF A PAIR OF DIRTY LYING THIEVES.

AS IT IS SAID-SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP

EdFNJ 04-18-2017 07:47 PM

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Sorry, not taking sides here, just correcting "the facts." The "VOTERS OF THE US" actually did not say any such thing, the ELECTORAL COLLEGE said it. "The voters of the US" actually said just the opposite. ;) ;) :)






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Rockyrd 04-18-2017 07:49 PM

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YES-sadly you feel you PROGRESSIVE LEFTIST, SOCIALISTS are superior.

You, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE IT are parroting what the democratic party has FED YOU. The TRUTH is that Republicans based on education level-the easiest thing to measure-on average are the same as the democrats.

THE VOTERS OF THE US HAVE SAID IT CLEARLY THAT THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF OBAMA AND IN SPITE OF OBAMA SPENDING PUBLIC FUNDS IN SUPPORT OF HILLARY
YOU CANNOT MAKE A SILK PURSE OUT OF A PAIR OF DIRTY LYING THIEVES.

AS IT IS SAID-SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP

Buttercup, hey....never called that.

First, please search the users and look at posts from Bucco. That is me, and you will find Graciegirl enjoys calling me that on here, but certainly not out of respect.

I changed my user name TWICE. STICK WITH ME, and I will respond to your every word. I changed it from Bucco to Rags123 at the suggestion of administration, because I began to get unsettling PMs fron liberals about my active anti liberal posts, my stringent stand on Obama, and very much my negative posts on Obamacare. I was an original member of the political forum, I believe in 2007, and actually spoke with the previous owner to set it up.

If you search Bucco posts, you will be assured I am no liberal at all. I was a strong long time Republican, active in my party for years up north. Be patient, Gracie posted today I am wordy...I am but sort of sick of the false phoney things said.

I will get back to that story in a bit, but to your questions. I was absolutely stunned at Trump getting the nomination. Quickly, although most readers on here know I can bring you very specific details, I think Trump is not the most dispicable President we have ever had in terms of character and morals, he ranks near the top of all human beings. As a result I changed my registration from Republican to Independent because the party USED TO STAND FOR VALUES AND MORALS.

I read and talk politics basically 24/7. It was my job and always my passion for over 50 years. I am an insatiable reader, and noticed on this forum, it was taken over by the alt right, although they say that is not the case, I can certainly point out the EXTREME HARD RIGHT opinions and the unwavering love and loyalty for Trump.

Nothing wrong with having an idol, but I assure you, he has perpetrated a scam to get elected. This event will secure him more riches which is all he is concerned with along with his amazing ego. He is an extremely dishonest man and I hacpvevsaud this many times. I understand his followers frustration, but just in the last month you see him turning his backs on them. This will continue...I feel sorry for those that hold Trump in such high esteem, because is a pathological liar and deserves no respect whatsoever.

Ok...I did not vote for Clinton, and if you actually look up my past posts, I was never a fan of hers in anyway. I voted for McCollum.

My views are totally conservative, and I try to make that clear when I can, but Trump is a deal breaker for me. This man is scum as a human being, and I think, to the embarrassment of our nation we will see that come to view.

So, the Democratic Party has fed me squat. You can tell me to "suck it up buttercup" which is pretty much indicative of those who adore Trump. He is king, never wrong and when you make a case against him, you get the old....oh yeah...Obama,,,Clinton crap.

I used to be a calm poster, never aggressive, wanting to learn. No more...the Trump followers actually believe the fake Russian websites...a number were used today to slam the left..just fake crap. A few days ago, I angered a poster because I told her Trump NEVER owned a dog. She was adamant how worried Trump was about this dog and either she or another fan supplied a link TO A FAKE SATIRE site. This is what has been posting here.

I have tried to discuss topics...to no avail. We have a beloved poster who almost daily does one thing only....find an angle to condemn very single progressive on the planet with zero facts...he has plagiarized a number of times, and has used phoneyvRusdian sites as sources, but is loved because he loves Trump.

I find great harm being done to our White House, the presidency, our reputation. (I am not interested in saber rattling, "mine is bigger than yours" with no policy). We are losing credibility and as long as this president continues to lie, get less transparent, be mean spirited and leading poor trusting voters down.

Probably lots of typing errors and such, and I sure have more to say, but...

Buttercup, you are dead wrong in every accusation you make, but I am so used to that on here as Trump supporters feel now entitled. Gracie, on a few occasions refers to her hero and what he is going to do for "us", not America, but "us" referring to his voting block on here.

Trust me...this man is a pig, but because I feel that way about the man, I now address each issue on its own merits and owe allegupiance to nobody. The fact that I dislike Trump does not mean I am precluded from supporting some things he might do, but watching him change so much is terribly difficult to discern...imagine how our allies feel.

If you are, as I suppose a lover of Trump, all I can say...you will be disappointed.

PS....my feeling is a political forum, something I have been engaging in for years, should be an exchange of ideas on issues and topics, exchange of related material that relates. You should learn and share.. The advent of fake news, and the embracing of that by the President makes it tough (along with using Fox News as a national security advisor)

Rockyrd 04-18-2017 07:50 PM

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Sorry, not taking sides here, just correcting "the facts." The "VOTERS OF THE US" actually did not say any such thing, the ELECTORAL COLLEGE said it. "The voters of the US" actually said just the opposite. ;) ;) :)






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Thanks for that, and that count is growing as we speak. Two horrendous and terrible candidates makes for unsettling results.


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