Absolutely. EVEN if it were the subject...When the topic is to murder unborn babies at the whim of the mother, the cry is to stay out of my womb! When the subject is asking the Catholic church to do something against it's beliefs, where is the cry to stay out of my religion?!?

What do the women who are Catholic think? If they think the Catholic church is wrong, they need to change it to be more to their liking OR leave it! There is no law preventing them from choosing one of those options. Some have posted percentages on this forum stating that 99% of Catholic women use birth control. So why do these ladies stay in a church that they don't agree with on this subject? Maybe, it's not a deal breaker with them! On the other hand, where are these %'s coming from AND are they even true! Most Catholic ladies that I know are having huge families and loving every minute of it! They are the most stable, hardworking, gracious people who show love for their own children and for the less fortunate among us! I am amazed how they hold to their faith and defend their church. Maybe we should hear from some of these Catholic ladies of childbearing age on this forum. More POWER to them.

Or our kids lunches. They will jump all over a totally bogus premise about banning birth control but seem to fully support the government food police confiscating our kids lunches on a whim.

As usual, nothing but hypocrites who will protect their anointed one at any cost... even at a cost to America. Its beyond comprehension how so many can be so brain dead... or should I say assimilated.

Regarding Congresswoman Kathy Hochul of Ney York's 26th District.

"When Hochul spoke in support of the President, the crowd booed. Many in the audience carried signs, including one that read: “Kathy why have you betrayed our Catholic institutions?” One woman in the crowd told Hochul: “This President has lied to us repeatedly when he proclaims support for conscience protection in his infamous speech at Notre Dame as well as in the executive order he signed following passage of the health care law. He is not worthy of your support in this matter.”


Breitbart.tv » Dem Booed At Town Hall Over Birth Control Mandate

Height of hypocrisy from the left pointed out at Arizona debate...
They want to ridicule the Catholic church over birth control, but COMPLETELY OVERLOOK Obama's SUPPORT of INFANTICIDE! ...but this moderator isn't going to spend alot of time on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69tE...bate - YouTube

Being a Virginian this has gotten to be embarrassing. When morons take over the floor in these hollowed halls. Read all of it before you fire back. If you really have a dog in this fight you are Virginian.

Virginia GOP Delegate’s Wife Refused To Have Sex With Him Over Transvaginal Ultrasound Bill | Mediaite

The Church has nothing to say about what the doctor and the patient decide to do. You're right and nobody has said different.

The patient is free to accept whatever treatment she wants.

What does that have to do with this subject? We're talking about the Church's First Amendment rights to freedom of religion. The church cannot be compelled to pay for procedures or treatment that goes against it's doctrine and teaching.

This is only about money.....M..O..N..E..Y

What is this.......the 100th time I've had to remind people what this is all about? It sure seems like it.

But you didn't answer the question - what if it was a voucher? I know how much my employer pays for 'their' share of my health insurance premiums, just as I know how much 'I' pay.

But in reality, it's all coming out of one big bucket of employee compensation.

I'm curious.. If the Church handed the employee a voucher that the employee would hand to the insurer of choice - would that be the same violation of Church policies or morals or ethics, etc? There *is* a slight difference between the Church writing a check to the insurance company and the Church stamping a voucher - I grant you that.

But it DOES point out that things are more fuzzy and grey. The Church is expending money for the services of an employee. Is wanting to control what an insurance company does with it so different from hypothetically wanting to control what an employee does with it afterwards?

It is not about money, it is about dictating what doctors can or cannot advise their patients. How else can I say this to get you to understand.

I just wonder how my Uncle Charlie voted on that bill.....Haven't be able to find out.

In case you are wondering who my Uncle Charlie is, he is the longest serving senator in the history of Virgina.

The Honorable Senator Charles Colgan. (D) Manassas

You're absolutely wrong in you statement above. It's not about that, it's only about monetary recompense. I don't know where you came up with this one.

The church doesn't have anything to do with a women's choice of her doctor. What in blazes are you talking about?

You want me to answer a "what if"......."WHAT IF"???.....seriously??

I think he was just trying to give you an alternate way of looking at an issue in an atempt to help you understand.

I understand perfectly. You're the one in an intellectual fog here.

Maybe, but when Long speaks it makes sense and when I read your posts I am often left with a scrunched look on my face.

I think that's gas.

lol

Richie - Well, I've been asked some "What if" questions and tried to answer them to my best ability - even when one of those was "You know, I really don't know WHAT I'd do.." ...and no, you weren't the one asking (I think it was chacha but I'm not sure).

I just got reminded of that because of the conservative push for vouchers as part of Medicare reform. The couvher was to give the INDIVIDUAL the choice - but, and I don't mean to sound to snarky here - that choice isn't good when the individual chooses something you don't like?

Tell me that the following wouldn't happen.. A voucher system goes in place for health insurance - some of those plans include covering abortions. Tell me that someone isn't going to screm bloody murder about their tax dolalrs going (directly or indirectly) to fund abortions or to cover the tax deduction on those insurance vouchers.

When a voucher system of health care comes along we'll deal with it. I'm sure the anti-religeous factions of the liberal establishment will try to mine-field such a proposal in an attempt to circumvent the First Amendment rights of the Catholic Church, which they despise above all other religions. That too will be defeated. Our Constitution is a wonderful and simple piece of legislation to the constant annoyance of the liberal establishment.

Richie: It's all in who's ox is being gored. Would you be as fervent in defending what you would call the First Ammendment rights of Islamic churches?

If it's a First Amendment Rights issue, of course; remembering that yelling "fire" in a theater, or committing "assault", in a legal sense, are not protected.

Protecting our First Amendment Rights is everybody's "ox"

I am a Catholic, but would I be as "fervent" in support of Islamists in a similar situation?........no.........but I would be in support.

If it's a First Amendment Rights issue, of course; remembering that yelling "fire" in a theater, or committing "assault", in a legal sense, are not protected.

Protecting our First Amendment Rights is everybody's "ox"

According to Kathy Hochul, it's not about the Constitution either.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IARyq7WdZ2U]"We're Not Looking to the Constitution" when it Comes to ObamaCare Mandates - YouTube[/ame]

What a joke this liberal Congresswoman from NY is. Her buffoonish twisting in the wind trying to weave her agenda around Constitutional freedom is laughable.

Interesting article.

Women's Strike Force: Pro-Choice PAC Starts Up In Virginia To Defeat Backers Of Ultrasound Legislation

The dreaded Ultrasound... (done at 16 weeks)

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