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Guest 04-10-2012 01:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477702)
Here is an article that atually demonstrates voter fraud usinig Holder's name and surprise surprise Holder looks you straight in the face and essentially says "it ain't so"


Justice Downplays Stunt that Stole Holder's Vote

Isn't that amazing and folks find it "laughable" (possibility of stealing votes = laughable, OR they demean the messenger. It shows how easily it can be done, and the DOJ "downplaying" it is pretty scary since they are supposed to enforce voting law.

Guest 04-10-2012 01:39 PM

You can't use a utility bill to get a social security number. Yet, unfortunately in New Hampshire, you CAN use a utility bill to register to vote at the polls.

Well, a few years ago, my ex-mother-in-law was rear-ended by a driver who got out of the car, panicked and left the scene. Fortunately nobody was seriously hurt. HOWEVER - the guy's license plate fell off the car. The cops traced it to a woman who said that her car was stolen. The police are pretty sure she was lying since she hadn't reported it stolen until just then. The cops said that, most likely from their experience, the driver was a friend here illegally - perhaps the whole family was.

Well, they had electric and water service there. They most likely had cable. That means these illegals COULD VOTE (using those bills as 'proof' of residency) - and that is something I'm VERY much against.

Guest 04-10-2012 01:51 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477707)
You can't use a utility bill to get a social security number. Yet, unfortunately in New Hampshire, you CAN use a utility bill to register to vote at the polls.

Well, a few years ago, my ex-mother-in-law was rear-ended by a driver who got out of the car, panicked and left the scene. Fortunately nobody was seriously hurt. HOWEVER - the guy's license plate fell off the car. The cops traced it to a woman who said that her car was stolen. The police are pretty sure she was lying since she hadn't reported it stolen until just then. The cops said that, most likely from their experience, the driver was a friend here illegally - perhaps the whole family was.

Well, they had electric and water service there. They most likely had cable. That means these illegals COULD VOTE (using those bills as 'proof' of residency) - and that is something I'm VERY much against.

I don't often agree with you but allow me to on this one. Folks can make fun of the people who showed how easy it is to "steal" anothers vote but instead of the DOJ poking a bit of fun, they might put on a serious face to it.

Guest 04-10-2012 04:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477702)
Here is an article that atually demonstrates voter fraud usinig Holder's name and surprise surprise Holder looks you straight in the face and essentially says "it ain't so"


Justice Downplays Stunt that Stole Holder's Vote

I just love these gotcha things. About as useful as a pimple on one's behind. Since he never voted, I guess we'll never know if he would have been arrested. Republican activists love this approach. <yawn>

Xavier

Guest 04-10-2012 05:04 PM

A 2006 report of a five year probe put out of the US Justice Department (Bush's Justice Department) found a total of 53 voter fraud convictions nationwide. That's 53 over a five year period. This is what I'm talking about when I ask for links for credible data.

It's 5MB file: Click Here

Xavier

Guest 04-10-2012 05:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477699)
It is not new....been going on for about 8 years and now MOST states have some form of id requirements for voting and has not been hurried. It is pretty much voted on by the states in referendum (not sure if 100%)..Pennsylvania was the last state to pass this law.

Hard to KNOW for sure how much fraud....not something that folks will own up to for sure. Been reports for years, investigated and could not find strong enough evidence to support prosecution.

Listen, the time is very near where you will need a federal or state id anyway..for many other reasons and you can prevent just ONE case of somebody cheating with their vote, it is worth all the effort.

How many of the states that have or are now pushing through these potentially voter disenfranchising ID laws have Democrat Governors? Knowing this information might just give you the idea of why some are looking at their ulterior motives.

53 convictions nationwide over a 5 year period! (see my post above) Is it right to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands to catch the small number that break the rules? Yeah, we don't want them to get away with it, but can't we be reasonable and put together something nationwide in a well thought out plan?

Xavier

Guest 04-10-2012 05:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477787)
How many of the states that have or are now pushing through these potentially voter disenfranchising ID laws have Democrat Governors? Knowing this information might just give you the idea of why some are looking at their ulterior motives.

53 convictions nationwide over a 5 year period! (see my post above) Is it right to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands to catch the small number that break the rules? Yeah, we don't want them to get away with it, but can't we be reasonable and put together something nationwide in a well thought out plan?

Xavier

If republicans had spent as much time trying to find a good candidate with good constructive ideas as they have worrying about voter fraud, perhaps then President Obama would have something to worry about. As it is today, there are no more toss-up states. The president is leading in the polls in all previously labeled toss-up states. Gov Romney has only won the primary in blue states or states that are heavily mormon. With Rick Santorum out of the race, evangelicals will have to swallow hard to vote for Romney. Can you spell L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E?

Guest 04-10-2012 06:36 PM

Here are forms of ID used for voting at Florida polls. Just what is the problem with asking for one of these??? How is anyone "disenfranchised" by being asked for one of these?

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At the polls, you will be asked to provide a valid picture identification with signature. The following photo ids will be accepted:

Florida driver’s license
Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
United States passport
Debit or credit card
Military identification
Student identification
Retirement center identification
Neighborhood association identification
Public assistance identification.
Voting Information - Florida Division of Elections - Department of State

Guest 04-10-2012 06:51 PM

Notice some folks jumping for glee based on polls and they may end up that happy, but as someone who has been involved INTIMATELY with politics for many many years, allow me to caution you how much time is left AND to share, as folks on here seem to be in love with polls...

In March of 1980 Carter led Reagan by 25 points and lost

In June of 1992 Clinton was not even 2nd..Perot was..Clinton was 3rd Clinton beat George HW Bush

And let me assure beyond any chance of being wrong that the guns will now ONLY be aimed at Obama and there are weaknesses and Romney has all the money to insure that all americans know it.

Not saying Romney will win or anything...I just KNOW from experience, it is much too early to begin to cheer....on that fact I am positive...been there and done that.


PS...Just wanted to add that the last electoral chart I saw the race would be a dead heat as of now.

Guest 04-10-2012 07:13 PM

I really still don't get this debate. I have ALWAYS had to provide my photo ID to vote for as long as I can remember. How can we possibly be debating whether or not people should be required to do so?!?! On the other hand, the guy in the White House didn't have to provide proof of anything before being put on the ballot...silly me! :shocked:

Guest 04-10-2012 07:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477834)
I really still don't get this debate. I have ALWAYS had to provide my photo ID to vote for as long as I can remember. How can we possibly be debating whether or not people should be required to do so?!?! On the other hand, the guy in the White House didn't have to provide proof of anything before being put on the ballot...silly me! :shocked:

check those who object to this....HARD HARD VERY HARD LEFT WING

AND of course our own Department of Justice !!!!!

Guest 04-10-2012 07:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477834)
I really still don't get this debate. I have ALWAYS had to provide my photo ID to vote for as long as I can remember. How can we possibly be debating whether or not people should be required to do so?!?! On the other hand, the guy in the White House didn't have to provide proof of anything before being put on the ballot...silly me! :shocked:

He came from Chicago where the way is to cheat,lie ,payoff who ever and plead the 5th when caught.Jesse Jackson Jr is being investigated for trying to buy a senate seat yet Pelosi still endorses him makes you wonder who the hell votes for these clowns.And the guy you refer too gets a sweetheart deal on property next to his.which was payoff for the hud deals Resko made.

Guest 04-10-2012 09:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477820)
Notice some folks jumping for glee based on polls and they may end up that happy, but as someone who has been involved INTIMATELY with politics for many many years, allow me to caution you how much time is left AND to share, as folks on here seem to be in love with polls...

In March of 1980 Carter led Reagan by 25 points and lost

In June of 1992 Clinton was not even 2nd..Perot was..Clinton was 3rd Clinton beat George HW Bush

And let me assure beyond any chance of being wrong that the guns will now ONLY be aimed at Obama and there are weaknesses and Romney has all the money to insure that all americans know it.

Not saying Romney will win or anything...I just KNOW from experience, it is much too early to begin to cheer....on that fact I am positive...been there and done that.


PS...Just wanted to add that the last electoral chart I saw the race would be a dead heat as of now.




Can you post a link to that electoral chart that shows the race would be a dead heat as of now?

Guest 04-11-2012 06:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477706)
Isn't that amazing and folks find it "laughable" (possibility of stealing votes = laughable, OR they demean the messenger. It shows how easily it can be done, and the DOJ "downplaying" it is pretty scary since they are supposed to enforce voting law.

I find absolutely nothing laughable about the 2000 or 2004 Presidential elections. I do find it totally laughable when some dipstick goes out of his way to punk someone to enhance their political stance when the problem is so minuscule.

Xavier

Guest 04-11-2012 07:56 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 477883)
Can you post a link to that electoral chart that shows the race would be a dead heat as of now?

"Gallup has released their state-by-state Presidential approval polling. The results do not look good for the President. If you take the simple analysis that any state with a negative rating will go to the Republican, and any state with a positive rating will go to Obama, November promises to be a bloodbath for the incumbent."

2012 Electoral College Projection | Race 4 2012

You can find them all over the place...they vary of course depending on the bias

AND most importantly they will change pretty quickly now that the race is down to two...could favor Obama or Romney, but polls at this time in an election year are worthless.


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