Few things can be more truthful than a video. I just watched a video of Trump making these promised as he campaigned. WE WILL REPEAL OBAMACARE AND RE-PLACE IT WITH A PLAN COVERING EVERYONE. WE WILL NOT TOUCH MEDICARE OR MEDICADE !!! THE PREMINUMS WILL BE MUCH LOWER AND THE COVERAGE FAR MORE BETTER. ALSO SOMEWHERE IN THIS SPEECH HE SAID ON THE FIRST DAY HE IS PRESIDENT WE WILL START BUILDING A WALL. NOW LET US FORWARD TO TODAY !!! THERE IS NO WALL....ONE BILL TO REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE HAS ALREADY FAILED.....
24 MILLION OF OUR LESS FORTUNATE AMERICANS WILL LOSE THEIR INSURANCE.... BILLIONS WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF MEDICAID AND GIVEN TO THE RICH (0VER 250K INCOME) AS A TAX BREAK. THE PREMINUMS FOR THE HIGH RISK ELDERLY COULD LIKE REACH $15,000 T0 $20,000. STATES WILL DECIDE ALL PROBLEMS REGARDING PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS, CHRONIC ILLINESSES PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND PREGNANCIES MIGHT BE VOIDED FOR PAYMENT.. FOLKS, IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE IN THE NEW PLAN. GOOD LUCK !!!

I do not know where you get your liberal talking points but you might want to get your money back if you are paying for them. I have a copy of the new health care bill and it isn't like what you describe. Of course, talking out your @ss is a gift that only the left has perfected. I am not going to go over all your errors or lies, in your case. But, I will correct one OBVIOUS lie on your part. Medicaid is not going to be any lower this year than last year and the next several years it will continue to go up. I almost fell out of my chair when you said that they were going to steal from Medicaid to give to the rich. That is totally hilarious and not even close to truth. I guess anyone can come on here and slander the President and think they are being patriotic, but in your case, you are just a low life scum. But that is just my opinion and most likely the opinion of many others on here. This is the only liberal safe place in the Villages, where liberals can cry and pitch a hissy fit and no one will be able to do anything to them. Gotta love our 'Might" or "could" like you are afraid to actually tell the truth and say WILL or SHALL. Since I am already on here and have a minute, I'll address a couple other lies of yours. Pre-Existing conditions WILL stay in this bill as well as young and lazy 26 year olds can still stay on their parent's policy. Sorry Tal, you don't qualify.

Look. lil' Trollie, are you really that desperate that you can't find any REAL substance to criticize and get an argument going? Please do not embarrass yourself with these third or fourth party rumors. Read the real deal and then if you need it interpreted, get your girlfriend TAL help you with it. The bill is only 124 pages and can be dowloaded in PDF format. You can even get a FREE PDF reader on line. Right down your alley.

Wow, shame on you. Are you really that lazy?

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I do not know where you get your liberal talking points but you might want to get your money back if you are paying for them. I have a copy of the new health care bill and it isn't like what you describe. Of course, talking out your @ss is a gift that only the left has perfected. I am not going to go over all your errors or lies, in your case. But, I will correct one OBVIOUS lie on your part. Medicaid is not going to be any lower this year than last year and the next several years it will continue to go up. I almost fell out of my chair when you said that they were going to steal from Medicaid to give to the rich. That is totally hilarious and not even close to truth. I guess anyone can come on here and slander the President and think they are being patriotic, but in your case, you are just a low life scum. But that is just my opinion and most likely the opinion of many others on here. This is the only liberal safe place in the Villages, where liberals can cry and pitch a hissy fit and no one will be able to do anything to them. Gotta love our 'Might" or "could" like you are afraid to actually tell the truth and say WILL or SHALL. Since I am already on here and have a minute, I'll address a couple other lies of yours. Pre-Existing conditions WILL stay in this bill as well as young and lazy 26 year olds can still stay on their parent's policy. Sorry Tal, you don't qualify.

Look. lil' Trollie, are you really that desperate that you can't find any REAL substance to criticize and get an argument going? Please do not embarrass yourself with these third or fourth party rumors. Read the real deal and then if you need it interpreted, get your girlfriend TAL help you with it. The bill is only 124 pages and can be dowloaded in PDF format. You can even get a FREE PDF reader on line. Right down your alley.

Wow, shame on you. Are you really that lazy?

YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. IT'S PROBABLY BEST IF YOU NOT OFFER YOU COMMENTS. The bill is actually 142 pages, your first error. 26 years old doesn't make one lazy, error #2 it could be someone in medical school. 800 billion is slated in the year 2025 to be taken out of Medicaid error #3 stupid ass. and finally, the choice to either cover or nor cover pre existing conditions will be left up to the states. I don't know why I find myself responding to stupid people !! Get someone to help you read the details of the new Trumpcare >>

Originally Posted by Guest

YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. IT'S PROBABLY BEST IF YOU NOT OFFER YOU COMMENTS. The bill is actually 142 pages, your first error. 26 years old doesn't make one lazy, error #2 it could be someone in medical school. 800 billion is slated in the year 2025 to be taken out of Medicaid error #3 stupid ass. and finally, the choice to either cover or nor cover pre existing conditions will be left up to the states. I don't know why I find myself responding to stupid people !! Get someone to help you read the details of the new Trumpcare >>

Yes, actually 142pages, my bad.
NO Stupid, the money was to be taken out of Medicare to pay for Medicaid by OBAMACARE and now it is not. It was STOLEN money, libtard. Funny how you can twist facts, right? Libtard, the areas that are left up to the individual states are not the same as your fear mongering lies. Time for you to get Tal to assist you in how to tie your shoe laces.

And there is NOTHING that can be done to Obamacare to fix it so quit crying your eyes out like a little girl. You had 8 years to fix it but you dummies were so naive that you did not realize that it was purposely supposed to fail so that the gov could seize control from willing and needy people that have to have a gov nanny assist them when they change their diapers. You still don't get it, even Hillary wanted socialized medicine. It was planned that way and Trump threw a wrench in the gears.
As far as I am concerned, they could just repeal Obiecare and leave it at that. My insurance was fine and all Obiecare did was cost everyone else more money, just to help the lazy.
I bet it helped you just fine, didn't it?

This bill is NOT written in stone yet. Bottom line when the ink is dry, let the war of words begin again. I have a sneaking suspicion this will be the straw that breaks the backs of the unfortunate poor and unhealthy. The wealthy will be the beneficiaries of their misfortune. To quote the orange head, "SAD"!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Guest

This bill is NOT written in stone yet. Bottom line when the ink is dry, let the war of words begin again. I have a sneaking suspicion this will be the straw that breaks the backs of the unfortunate poor and unhealthy. The wealthy will be the beneficiaries of their misfortune. To quote the orange head, "SAD"!!!!!!

How in the world would this benefit the wealthy? And who cares if it does? There will still be medicaid, medicare, pre-existing, and 26 year old lazies. It gets rid of the mandate, almost all the taxes and provides a tax free medical savings. It gets rid of taxes on medical equipment and medicines, both over the counter and prescriptions. You no longer have to have insurance if you do not wish it. PP was not in the ACA and it prohibits funding for it for one year. It repeals the business mandate to provide health care which will allow business to start hiring again. It's a good start to fix what was wrong with Obamacare. This is just part one, the repeal. And yes, it does give back some power to the states on how medicaid is handled.
I have heard from some that anyone making over $200k per year can deduct it on their tax return. I have to check that out, but if it does then it makes sense. That will encourage the wealthier to obtain tax that they might otherwise not get, which would make a larger pool of payers, bringing down the cost. The next part will allow for across state shopping and tort control, which will also bring down the cost.

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes, actually 142pages, my bad.
NO Stupid, the money was to be taken out of Medicare to pay for Medicaid by OBAMACARE and now it is not. It was STOLEN money, libtard. Funny how you can twist facts, right? Libtard, the areas that are left up to the individual states are not the same as your fear mongering lies. Time for you to get Tal to assist you in how to tie your shoe laces.

And there is NOTHING that can be done to Obamacare to fix it so quit crying your eyes out like a little girl. You had 8 years to fix it but you dummies were so naive that you did not realize that it was purposely supposed to fail so that the gov could seize control from willing and needy people that have to have a gov nanny assist them when they change their diapers. You still don't get it, even Hillary wanted socialized medicine. It was planned that way and Trump threw a wrench in the gears.
As far as I am concerned, they could just repeal Obiecare and leave it at that. My insurance was fine and all Obiecare did was cost everyone else more money, just to help the lazy.
I bet it helped you just fine, didn't it?

HERE IS SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CHECK OUT AND REPORT ON. the republican administration has proposed that bonuses earned by CEO's will not be taxed Let's see if you really know what is going on .. One last question, What would you propose Trump do with the 24,000,000 that will lose their health insurance??

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes, actually 142pages, my bad.
NO Stupid, the money was to be taken out of Medicare to pay for Medicaid by OBAMACARE and now it is not. It was STOLEN money, libtard. Funny how you can twist facts, right? Libtard, the areas that are left up to the individual states are not the same as your fear mongering lies. Time for you to get Tal to assist you in how to tie your shoe laces.

And there is NOTHING that can be done to Obamacare to fix it so quit crying your eyes out like a little girl. You had 8 years to fix it but you dummies were so naive that you did not realize that it was purposely supposed to fail so that the gov could seize control from willing and needy people that have to have a gov nanny assist them when they change their diapers. You still don't get it, even Hillary wanted socialized medicine. It was planned that way and Trump threw a wrench in the gears.
As far as I am concerned, they could just repeal Obiecare and leave it at that. My insurance was fine and all Obiecare did was cost everyone else more money, just to help the lazy.
I bet it helped you just fine, didn't it?

Answer one simple question. How do you fix something, when one party is obstructing everything that you do? Also, the thing that you are trying to fix the other party has voted over 60 times to repeal.

So, people with preexisting conditions are lazy!

The person that started this thread was correct, when he said Trump was going to cover everybody, and it was going to cost less. He wasn't going to touch Medicare, and Medicaid. He lied his ass off, but that is the nature of the beast.

If you wanted the ACA to fail so you could get Medicare for all, why wouldn't you put a Medicare plan for all right off the bat? You had the presidency, a filibuster proof Senate, and the House.

Originally Posted by Guest

How in the world would this benefit the wealthy? And who cares if it does? There will still be medicaid, medicare, pre-existing, and 26 year old lazies. It gets rid of the mandate, almost all the taxes and provides a tax free medical savings. It gets rid of taxes on medical equipment and medicines, both over the counter and prescriptions. You no longer have to have insurance if you do not wish it. PP was not in the ACA and it prohibits funding for it for one year. It repeals the business mandate to provide health care which will allow business to start hiring again. It's a good start to fix what was wrong with Obamacare. This is just part one, the repeal. And yes, it does give back some power to the states on how medicaid is handled.
I have heard from some that anyone making over $200k per year can deduct it on their tax return. I have to check that out, but if it does then it makes sense. That will encourage the wealthier to obtain tax that they might otherwise not get, which would make a larger pool of payers, bringing down the cost. The next part will allow for across state shopping and tort control, which will also bring down the cost.

and kill people who cannot afford the new premiums, or the disabled, or the poor, or children......
yeah! save money! kill people.....

Here is the real comparison....A side-by-side comparison of Obamacare and the GOP’s replacement plans - Los Angeles Times

Originally Posted by Guest

and kill people who cannot afford the new premiums, or the disabled, or the poor, or children......
yeah! save money! kill people.....

Here is the real comparison....A side-by-side comparison of Obamacare and the GOP’s replacement plans - Los Angeles Times

The stupid posters on this topic will never heed your advice to actual read something factual. They would rather take Trump's lies as the truth and fill in those lies with "facts" they get down at the barber shop. Obamacare need a lot of work, but as Republican Mitch McConnell said, We Republicans will oppose every program and proposal submitted by Obama !!!

Originally Posted by Guest

and kill people who cannot afford the new premiums, or the disabled, or the poor, or children......
yeah! save money! kill people.....

Here is the real comparison....A side-by-side comparison of Obamacare and the GOP’s replacement plans - Los Angeles Times

The GOP plans to roll out a replacement in three parts. The first part that even the Republicans have problems understanding is the repeal. That is done by reconciliation. You can't determine what the plan is until it is finished.

You leftards insist on keeping Obiecare, even while your ship is sinking. It was a piece of garbage to begin with and none of you even read it. You don't care what it is as long as it is from the socialist party. Paul Ryan could submit Obiecare with another name on it and there would be NO leftwing votes for it.

Trump is throwing you a life ring and you are swimming away from it.

I do not CARE what the left wants. They have shown their true colors and they wish to be led by a communist regime. I realize that being FREE is difficult for the left. They are a needy bunch and panic without someone feeding them tomato soup and grill cheese sandwiches. And Trump is offering them freedom via tough love. The left is not like us. We can do without them, but they cannot survive without the conservatives.

Originally Posted by Guest

Answer one simple question. How do you fix something, when one party is obstructing everything that you do? Also, the thing that you are trying to fix the other party has voted over 60 times to repeal.

So, people with preexisting conditions are lazy!

The person that started this thread was correct, when he said Trump was going to cover everybody, and it was going to cost less. He wasn't going to touch Medicare, and Medicaid. He lied his ass off, but that is the nature of the beast.

If you wanted the ACA to fail so you could get Medicare for all, why wouldn't you put a Medicare plan for all right off the bat? You had the presidency, a filibuster proof Senate, and the House.

'Trumpcare' will simply be a smokescreen, to satiate those who bought in to the false rhetoric that Obamacare is worse than where health care was already headed (higher premiums/more denied coverage)...which it of course isn't.

As soon as those Trump cultists wake up to find that they are much worse off than they were under Obamacare and the real purpose of Trumpcare was giving the wealthy a massive tax cut...it will have already been accomplished and too late to rescind.

On one hand I feel sorry for those Trumpists who will suffer from their lack of intelligence and decency, but on the other hand they will to a large degree...brought it on themselves and have earned what they get.

Originally Posted by Guest

'Trumpcare' will simply be a smokescreen, to satiate those who bought in to the false rhetoric that Obamacare is worse than where health care was already headed (higher premiums/more denied coverage)...which it of course isn't.

As soon as those Trump cultists wake up to find that they are much worse off than they were under Obamacare and the real purpose of Trumpcare was giving the wealthy a massive tax cut...it will have already been accomplished and too late to rescind.

On one hand I feel sorry for those Trumpists who will suffer from their lack of intelligence and decency, but on the other hand they will to a large degree...brought it on themselves and have earned what they get.

Only a few benefited from Obiecare, period. And those few were leaches on the rest of us that had to pay for them benefiting. Everyone else was penalized because of Obiecare. It will go down as the worst congressional blunder in history and the total blame will be on the Democrats.

By the way, if Obiecare was so great, why is it that there are 31+ million without insurance? Only 15 million less than in 2008. How many illegals do we have in the U.S.? 14 million? I guess we may have provided them with health insurance right? Maybe not, but it is something to consider.

By the way, Obamacare stole about $800 billion from Medicare to pay for Medicaid. If there are only about 15 million more with health care insurance now than in 2008, how much does that equate to per recipient? Seems like a lot of money just to cover another 15 million no loads.

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes, actually 142pages, my bad.
NO Stupid, the money was to be taken out of Medicare to pay for Medicaid by OBAMACARE and now it is not. It was STOLEN money, libtard. Funny how you can twist facts, right? Libtard, the areas that are left up to the individual states are not the same as your fear mongering lies. Time for you to get Tal to assist you in how to tie your shoe laces.

And there is NOTHING that can be done to Obamacare to fix it so quit crying your eyes out like a little girl. You had 8 years to fix it but you dummies were so naive that you did not realize that it was purposely supposed to fail so that the gov could seize control from willing and needy people that have to have a gov nanny assist them when they change their diapers. You still don't get it, even Hillary wanted socialized medicine. It was planned that way and Trump threw a wrench in the gears.
As far as I am concerned, they could just repeal Obiecare and leave it at that. My insurance was fine and all Obiecare did was cost everyone else more money, just to help the lazy.
I bet it helped you just fine, didn't it?

Do you also like your pharmacy costs. I do know the new Trumpcare has no provisions for controlling pharmacy costs. My latest prescription retails for over $400 per bottle (one month supply).