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Guest 03-05-2012 08:41 AM

As I said before, I certainly do not take what was originally posted as the truth. Remember, the birthers had their proof that Obama is really a Kenyan Muslim - and look how that turned out for them.

Until a reliable source posts that this was a fraud, I will not believe it.

Guest 03-05-2012 08:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462788)
As I said before, I certainly do not take what was originally posted as the truth. Remember, the birthers had their proof that Obama is really a Kenyan Muslim - and look how that turned out for them.

Until a reliable source posts that this was a fraud, I will not believe it.

Even if it is a fraud, this has put right wing supporters on notice that the civilized world will not tolerate this kind of hate displayed by the conservative movement.

Guest 03-05-2012 09:24 AM

"Sandra Kay Fluke (born April 17, 1981) is a Georgetown University law student, American feminist activist, and an ex-employee of a nonprofit advocating for victims of domestic violence."

"Before attending Georgetown, she graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence. While working, she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She also co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.[6] While at Georgetown University Law Center, she also worked on issues that involved domestic violence and human trafficking.[7]"

"She claimed that over the three years as a law student, birth control would cost an estimated $3,000. "

Sandra Fluke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guest 03-05-2012 10:31 AM

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Guest 03-05-2012 11:41 AM

Speaking as an ex-Catholic, with regards ot the 'confession' question earlier, I'd be hard pressed to figure out exactly which of the Ten Commandments I would be confessing to have broken.

I mean, so many are broken in the normal course of life for most people - taking the Lord's name in vain, not keeping the sabbath holy, coveting your neighbor's goods, etc. But I can't find one covering "going against Papal doctrine concerning brith control".

I thought about 'bearing false witness', but you're not necessarily lying to anyone about it - especially if you don't mention it at all. Stretching it even further, if you did a self-imposed ban on receiving the eucharist because of a feeling that you were not a "Catholic in Good Standing" (for going against the Pope), that's still not something that you can attribute to a Commandment.

Guest 03-05-2012 11:45 AM

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We wouldn't be having this conversation if catholics would just abide by the Pope's edict and stop using birth control. Then nobody would have to be concerned with who's paying for them. And the Cardinals should just tell President Obama we don't want your stinkin' federal dollars for our schools, colleges and hospitals.

janmcn - but isn't the issue about the catholic institutions providing contraceptive care for ALL - catholic and not; and the catholic church saying that it should not be forced to offer contraceptive care to ANYone? have i been confused by all the political pundits in the media?

Guest 03-05-2012 12:02 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462867)
janmcn - but isn't the issue about the catholic institutions providing contraceptive care for ALL - catholic and not; and the catholic church saying that it should not be forced to offer contraceptive care to ANYone? have i been confused by all the political pundits in the media?

This is what confuses me too. President Obama came up with a compromise that said the church would not have to pay for contraceptive care, that insurance companies would pay. I have not heard one insurance company complain, probably because contraception is less expensive than pre-natal care or abortions.

This is the confusing part. For some reason, some in the Catholic Church said that is not good enough. They didn't want to pay for it, they don't have to pay for it, what is the argument? I know nothing about the Catholic Church, and I have no dog in the fight for birth control.

Guest 03-05-2012 03:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462873)
This is what confuses me too. President Obama came up with a compromise that said the church would not have to pay for contraceptive care, that insurance companies would pay. I have not heard one insurance company complain, probably because contraception is less expensive than pre-natal care or abortions.

This is the confusing part. For some reason, some in the Catholic Church said that is not good enough. They didn't want to pay for it, they don't have to pay for it, what is the argument? I know nothing about the Catholic Church, and I have no dog in the fight for birth control.

The Church "not paying" is a sham. If it's part of the medical coverage, the Church is providing it regardless of the semantics. The Church cannot be made to provide it against the tenets of their religion and their faith.

The compromise is a lie.

Guest 03-05-2012 03:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462873)
This is what confuses me too. President Obama came up with a compromise that said the church would not have to pay for contraceptive care, that insurance companies would pay. I have not heard one insurance company complain, probably because contraception is less expensive than pre-natal care or abortions.

This is the confusing part. For some reason, some in the Catholic Church said that is not good enough. They didn't want to pay for it, they don't have to pay for it, what is the argument? I know nothing about the Catholic Church, and I have no dog in the fight for birth control.

thanx for the response, janmcn; i think we are on the same page...and the next bruhaha was that if ins cos had to pay the freight and provide the covg, the church and any other employer would likely see a rise in their cost for the ins premium since the ins cos were not likely to just donate this portion of coverage...and NO one wants to pay more for ins covg these days!

so, indeed, if the prob is as we understand it do be...how on earth did this get turned into an attack on women/women's health/reproductive rights and create a production such as the op presented? no one is denying women that right...they just have to pay for it...kind of like a user fee. ;)


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