Well VK again we disagree. As to the "alleged" gunman, I only stated what I heard on the news. That is the reason I used the word "speculation" as we all should know by now that most news is reported with an extreme bias. As to the Chicago thug comment, I went back in your posts and you mentioned it first. In fact you noted you didn't realize how bad it was until you moved elsewhere.

However it is laughable when the last 4 governors end up in prison you really have to wonder how well educated the voting public there is. But that problem seems to have migrated to the rest of the country based on our current elected leaders.

So yes my "singular" point of view is very different then your singular point of view.

Let me try to make something clear.

It does not matter if AZ or anywhere else has an "open carry" law. When it comes to significant events, and that includes anywhere in the country where the President will be appearing in a public setting, the Department of Homeland Security (of which the Secret Service is a component) has final say on all security plans, dry-runs all plans, and has the authority to assume full jurisdiction if the situation so dictates to the principal federal official (almost always from the Secret Service when VIP protection is involved) who is assigned by HQ DHS .

At no time was the President in any danger from any "open carry." If there was any concern that a threat existed, the person would have been removed from the setting expeditiously and may have found himself a guest within a federal detention center for 48 hours "explaining" his actions. Risks that an armed person imply are not tolerated, so it stands to reason that any "open carry" person had been pre-cleared.

DHS and the Secret Service take this role very seriously. No one wants an accident on thier watch, and the folks who do and run this are top professionals.

Your facts are a bit off. The previous gov is still a free man, no trial yet. The previous one is in the slammer. The two before him (Jim Edgar & Jim Thompson) are private citizens and doing well.

University of Getagrip!
 

Since it appears you have some kind of affection for VA, maybe you'll enjoy this link on the corruption there...

http://orangeva.reteaparty.com/2009/...n-politicians/

However, in all fairness, there are corrupt politicans in every state of the Union.

That said, I'll match my degree from Northwestern University up against yours any day. chilout

I am in favor of the right to bear arms, but toting an assault rifle, particularly if it is loaded, at a political rally is chilling. Supposedly the person had no intent to use it, but suppose some kook had wrestled it away from the person and open fired? You could hope the police would be able to stop it in time, but there are no guarantees. Innocent people could be harmed. Apparently the person was outside the building where the President was speaking, and was not (thankfully) allowed inside. But it certainly could have been intimidating to people who wanted to attend the meeting in the building. We can express our views and differences with words and placards. To me, carrying assault weapons to send a message is way over the top.

I agree with you and Chelsea. Moreover while the 2nd amendment provides the right to bear arms, common sense also should prevail but it doesn't seem to be happening. I am also surprised that the NRA is not stepping in to speak to the gun happy lunatics. Does this not make it one more reason for giving the Government chance to restrict certain types of weapons? Just my opinion but if something should ever happen God help us. Remember Presidents Ford and Regan?

I agree with you and Stevez's assment.

I don't see the point in making a sexist remark on this subject.:shrug:

I agree 12. What I don't understand is how Daley has been able to stay out of jail. Chicago is a cesspool of politics. My vote goes to any city other than Chi Town for 2016 Olympics. :beer3::beer3:

Yo! Are you not the person who, a few days ago, became all knotted up over what you interpreted as a "sexist comment"???

Topper1 your comment was:
 

"Moreover while the 2nd amendment provides the right to bear arms, common sense also should prevail but it doesn't seem to be happening."

I suspect you are not a gun enthusiast or gun sport participant or a member of the NRA or any number of other shooting organization. If you are, I am wrong.

As a gun enthusiast, active participant in many shooting sports, NRA member as well as member of several shooting clubs I am compelled to counterpoint your comment above. There are millions of gun enthusiasts, shooting multiple millions of every imaginable type of weapon and ammunition with an impeccable safety record. As with the clubs I shoot with the priority is ALWAYS safety first, and then have fun.

So my counterpoint is common sense does more than prevail in the shooting shooting sports/industry. The shooting community goes way beyond common sense in it's belief and practice.

If there is ever a violation it is very rare. I do not know the nation wide number but I can tell you the clubs I belong to for the last 55 years their safety record was and continues to be 100%.....no accidents. And I am sure that is more typical of all the organizations.

I don't know the details of those who carried what and where at the rally of subject. What I do know as Steve has very well explained, there was no threat or potential threat to the POTUS or the crowd.

How accurate the reporting is on the incident is yet, if ever to be determined.
However the individual(s) were obviously within their rights and within the law. Most of us gun enthusiasts and licensed to carry would vote they did not exercise very good judgment.

Legal gun owners and organizations in the USA are among the most responsible, safety and consideration for others people on the planet.
Like all groups there are exceptions.....they are statistically insignificant....even just one is unacceptable.

btk

I hope, for financial reasons, that some other city gets the 2016 Olympics. It seems like it would be destined to be a big money loser in the end. Let some other city take the hit.

hmmmm.....
 

Yes! Maybe the Olympics will be held in Valparaiso Indiana??? Ya think?

mmmmm ... maybe not! :a20:

Although I did hear they finally got a bus system that would take them to Chicago! Wooo hoooo! What's next? Color TV???

http://www.chicagodash.com/

Yes!!!
 

Yes! That was me! So, if I'm off in my musings about why a guy wants to have the "open carry" option for guns... What is the reason??? I believe that question is still unanswered. :shrug:

Sorry if you felt this was sexist... how does it feel???