467,000 jobs lost last month. They predict it will hit 10% this year and go higher next year. Meanwhile, as Rome is burning, let's talk about Michael Jackson or Global Warming.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

Is anybody worried about the economy? Are we so wrapped up in our daily routines that we don't see the big picture. Meanwhile we raise the budget for the EPA 34% during the worst recession since the 40's. People are losing their jobs and homes and all they can talk about is health care? And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession. Remember how the USA felt after we were attacked in 2001?
Are we going to pull ourselves out of this?
Are the right decisions being implemented?
Are our priorities in order????

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Originally Posted by Keedy

467,000 jobs lost last month. They predict it will hit 10% this year and go higher next year. Meanwhile, as Rome is burning, let's talk about Michael Jackson or Global Warming.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

Is anybody worried about the economy? Are we so wrapped up in our daily routines that we don't see the big picture. Meanwhile we raise the budget for the EPA 34% during the worst recession since the 40's. People are losing their jobs and homes and all they can talk about is health care? And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession. Remember how the USA felt after we were attacked in 2001?
Are we going to pull ourselves out of this?
Are the right decisions being implemented?
Are our priorities in order????

http://www.drudgereport.com/

I visit several political discussion sites, and engage in a lot of discussion of "current affairs" with real live people, and ....

In my opinion, on this particular message board there are a lot of folks who are retired.obviously, and are set with their income and their health insurance (PLEASE I know it does not apply to ALL..speaking of a lof of folks here in The Villages), thus the emotional responses will not be forthcoming as they would be, AND ARE, with a different age group.

Someone once said that here in The Villages we are "domed" and protected to a degree....yes, many saw their portfolios take a dive, but for so many it affected their net worth only (not to minimize that) and NOT their income and expenses.

Now, if you get outside of The Villagees were people are struggling to find jobs..relocating in some cases to do that, or are worried about the job they have now you will find a lot more emotion about these issues. Struggling with rising costs in some areas..facing cutbacks from local government, etc.

Most are WORRIED about the economy and mucho more than just that..they just do not belong to this message board FOR THE MOST PART.

PS: OF course on the other hand, last Thursday the President was on network TV with talk of health care and that event came in 3RD in viewers behind specials on Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Originally Posted by Bucco

I visit several political discussion sites, and engage in a lot of discussion of "current affairs" with real live people, and ....

In my opinion, on this particular message board there are a lot of folks who are retired.obviously, and are set with their income and their health insurance (PLEASE I know it does not apply to ALL..speaking of a lof of folks here in The Villages), thus the emotional responses will not be forthcoming as they would be, AND ARE, with a different age group.

Someone once said that here in The Villages we are "domed" and protected to a degree....yes, many saw their portfolios take a dive, but for so many it affected their net worth only (not to minimize that) and NOT their income and expenses.

Now, if you get outside of The Villagees were people are struggling to find jobs..relocating in some cases to do that, or are worried about the job they have now you will find a lot more emotion about these issues. Struggling with rising costs in some areas..facing cutbacks from local government, etc.

Most are WORRIED about the economy and mucho more than just that..they just do not belong to this message board FOR THE MOST PART.

PS: OF course on the other hand, last Thursday the President was on network TV with talk of health care and that event came in 3RD in viewers behind specials on Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Don't forget that all the people at the Village have relatives and friends that live outside...that they care about........

Originally Posted by Keedy

467,000 jobs lost last month. They predict it will hit 10% this year and go higher next year. Meanwhile, as Rome is burning, let's talk about Michael Jackson or Global Warming.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

Is anybody worried about the economy? Are we so wrapped up in our daily routines that we don't see the big picture. Meanwhile we raise the budget for the EPA 34% during the worst recession since the 40's. People are losing their jobs and homes and all they can talk about is health care? And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession. Remember how the USA felt after we were attacked in 2001?
Are we going to pull ourselves out of this?
Are the right decisions being implemented?
Are our priorities in order????

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Now this is what is known as reveisionist history.

And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession.

I wish I had a nickel for everytime we heard.....Bush inherited a recession.

The only thing different about this one is it hit during the term of the sitting President and that would be George W himself.

Bush didn't take responsibility for anything other than "Mission Accomplished"

Originally Posted by Keedy

467,000 jobs lost last month. They predict it will hit 10% this year and go higher next year. Meanwhile, as Rome is burning, let's talk about Michael Jackson or Global Warming.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

Is anybody worried about the economy? Are we so wrapped up in our daily routines that we don't see the big picture. Meanwhile we raise the budget for the EPA 34% during the worst recession since the 40's. People are losing their jobs and homes and all they can talk about is health care? And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession. Remember how the USA felt after we were attacked in 2001?
Are we going to pull ourselves out of this?
Are the right decisions being implemented?
Are our priorities in order????

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Worried? Not really. Why? Because I ACCEPT the things that I cannot change, CHANGE the things that I can and I know the difference.

As to question 1; The pendulum WILL swing up again, in spite of ourselves.
2; Not from my perspective
3; Refer to answer 2

A concept I do not understand. Why can't the subject matter be contained to the here and now?
And it would be a first if a Bush basher ever addressed any question.
Apparently the new crib notes on responses from the non Bush crowd have not been issued yet.

Nothing new...or CHANGED!!!

btk

Originally Posted by cologal

Now this is what is known as reveisionist history.

And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession.

I wish I had a nickel for everytime we heard.....Bush inherited a recession.

The only thing different about this one is it hit during the term of the sitting President and that would be George W himself.

Bush didn't take responsibility for anything other than "Mission Accomplished"

When this entire thing began, our President said he would create or save 3million jobs....his promise......NOW,....he says the stimulus will create 600,000 jobs AND HALF OF THEM ARE SUMMER JOBS.

When this thing began our President said that unemployment would stay under 8%.......NOW he says the number will exceed 10% and that he just simply guess wrong.

IF the problems were caused by President Bush, and if the stimulus bill is the answer as we were told (THAT BILL UNREAD BY CONGRESS....40/50% OF WHICH WAS TOTALLY SOCIAL PROGRAMS), why are we not seeing any improvement and in fact, a movement in the wrong direction. He (OBAMA) IS spending at such a rate as to make ANY OTHER MAN ON EARTH a sheer amateur. We now (you and I as stockholders) own GM.

Tell me what is improving....tell me how this works...he makes a promise and then throws money at it...and when it does not work he simply says...oops..sorry misjudged !

I am sorry...yes President Bush spent a ton of money and that is at his feet, but President Obama is spending money NOW and in the future. The fine print in the stimulus bill makes the spending go UP each year, I think through 2013 !!!

President Obama said we had to spend this money NOW..QUICKLY..and we now know that NOBODY even read the bill.....and that almost half of it were social programs. And this you defend !!

Originally Posted by Bucco

When this entire thing began, our President said he would create or save 3million jobs....his promise......NOW,....he says the stimulus will create 600,000 jobs AND HALF OF THEM ARE SUMMER JOBS.

When this thing began our President said that unemployment would stay under 8%.......NOW he says the number will exceed 10% and that he just simply guess wrong.

IF the problems were caused by President Bush, and if the stimulus bill is the answer as we were told (THAT BILL UNREAD BY CONGRESS....40/50% OF WHICH WAS TOTALLY SOCIAL PROGRAMS), why are we not seeing any improvement and in fact, a movement in the wrong direction. He (OBAMA) IS spending at such a rate as to make ANY OTHER MAN ON EARTH a sheer amateur. We now (you and I as stockholders) own GM.

Tell me what is improving....tell me how this works...he makes a promise and then throws money at it...and when it does not work he simply says...oops..sorry misjudged !

I am sorry...yes President Bush spent a ton of money and that is at his feet, but President Obama is spending money NOW and in the future. The fine print in the stimulus bill makes the spending go UP each year, I think through 2013 !!!

President Obama said we had to spend this money NOW..QUICKLY..and we now know that NOBODY even read the bill.....and that almost half of it were social programs. And this you defend !!

I defended nothing....just pointed out that Keedy was wrong in saying Bush took responsibility for the recession.

I have to laugh, though, at the trumped up "Read the Bill" issue Fox Noise has been pushing. It was a major Repub tactic to put bills out late and schedule a vote. No one has read the bill for years.....so what's new about that.

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Originally Posted by cologal

I defended nothing....just pointed out that Keedy was wrong in saying Bush took responsibility for the recession.

I have to laugh, though, at the trumped up "Read the Bill" issue Fox Noise has been pushing. It was a major Repub tactic to put bills out late and schedule a vote. No one has read the bill for years.....so what's new about that.

I love the responsibility that FOX news has undertaken; the single most blamed source in the world which is quite funny !

For the record, and your peace of mind COLOGAL, my first info on the bill not being read was on CSPAN and then followed by an article in NY Times, neither hardly right wing shills, as you imply !!!

I would love to see the bill that spent this much money and had this importance that was never read...so if you will, allow us info on that. Be glad to eat my words if you are correct...NOT saying it never happened....BOTH parties are guilty of these games but this bill was touted as the most important piece of legislation since the depression !

Also you say the not reading part was "trumped up".....can you explain that please ?

Originally Posted by Keedy

467,000 jobs lost last month. They predict it will hit 10% this year and go higher next year. Meanwhile, as Rome is burning, let's talk about Michael Jackson or Global Warming.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

Is anybody worried about the economy? Are we so wrapped up in our daily routines that we don't see the big picture. Meanwhile we raise the budget for the EPA 34% during the worst recession since the 40's. People are losing their jobs and homes and all they can talk about is health care? And I don't want to hear about Obama inheriting this. He now owns this economy. Just like President Bush took responsibility for Clinton's recession. Remember how the USA felt after we were attacked in 2001?
Are we going to pull ourselves out of this?
Are the right decisions being implemented?
Are our priorities in order????

http://www.drudgereport.com/

You asked about the 'stimulus' package - let's look at where it is going and who is benefitting. There is no question that the District of Columbia is the most highly stimulated area of the country, via government salaries, lobbyist salaries, government subsidies, etc. But now look at the per capita basis of stimulus in all it various catagories. I will compare to Florida.

Education. DOC - $305.82 - Florida - $236.88 Not only is the DOC more highly funded that FL, despite having the highest per student cost in the nation. Its stimulus exceeds all of the other states.

Housing and Urban Development, DOC - $159.81 – Florida - $21.02 Again, the DOC is more stimulated that any of the states, this time by a margin of more than 100%.

Health Care per Capita, DOC - $218.78 – Florida - $70.42. Once again the DOC is higher funded than any of the 50 states.

Crime Fighting per Capita, DOC - $305.82 – Florida - $236.88. The DOC once again is the grand prize winner..

Job Training per Capita, DOC - $70.27 – Florida - $10.81. Not only is the DOC once again the overall winner, it received three times the amount per capita as Michigan the state coming in #2 for funding, but the state hardest hit.

Arts per Capita – District of Columbia - $0.49 – Florida - $0.02. While the DOC did place second to Wyoming in the caragory, it still received over 2600% the monies allocated to FL for this stimulus. This despite the fact that as taxpayers we are already picking up the tab for the Smithsonian and the Kennedy Center. If you factor in just these two items, excluding such things as the capitol zoo, etc – The DOC continues to be the most highly stimulated economy in the nation.

Food and Farming per capita – DOC - $305.82 – Florida - $236.88. While the DOC is not the highest in this category, it still receives more than 25% more per capita that Florida. I know what the crops are in Florida – what crops, in the name of God, are we subsidizing in the DOC?

Transportation – DOC - $305.82 – Florida - $236.88. The state with the highest spending per capita remained as Robert Byrd’s West Virginia. No surprise there, Senator Byrd has always looked after the welfare of his state at the expense of the United States as a whole. The only truly amazing thing is that West Virginia came in third rather than first where it has always been. Bobby must be slipping more than we suspected.

Water per capita – DOC - $69.73 – Florida - $12.81.

Energy per capita – DOC - $419.75 – Florida - $25.68!!!

Veterans spending per capita – DOC - $26.01 – Florida - $2.12

Government spending per capita – DOC -$2,036.64 – Florida - $3.86!!!

Outdoors per capita - $273.08 – Florida - $2.51 – Less than one percent of that allocated to the DOC

Emergency Shelters per Capita – DOC- $0.42 – Florida - $0.34 – Must be all those hurricanes that hit the DOC each year.

The truth is that the ‘stimulus’ package is designed for the political benefit of Democrats loyal to Obama and Pelosi, not for the benefit of the citizens of the United States. The District of Columbia got many times more per capita than any other state, not because it was needed, but as a payoff to loyal backers including the Government Employees Unions. Keep in mind that this package was never vetted, avoided all attempts to reveal where the money was going and the contents were apparently known to only Rahm Emanuel and his staff together with Nancy Pelosi and her staff.

If anyone wants to dispute this, please use facts. Please do not use silly statements such as, "I have to laugh, though, at the trumped up "Read the Bill" issue Fox Noise has been pushing. It was a major Repub tactic to put bills out late and schedule a vote. No one has read the bill for years.....so what's new about that." Use facts, and if you use them remember the upcoming cap and trade bill. This nation's economy will never recover if we choose to double the cost of energy in order to make millions for Gore and company.

Good post..and actual facts...Wait to the dust settles and people see where the money went...but of course, it will be too late.....

BBQman: What an interesting post. Would you please tell me where you found your facts? I want to make those comparisons to the states that other relatives live in. You put this in such simple terms...everyone needs to read this. Thank you.

Happy to do so. I should have referenced it in the first place. The source is The Wall Street Journal on line edition of June 30th. http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...MULUS0903.html

To the best of my knowledge this is the first time the public has seen where these monies are going under this 'transparent' administration.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

Happy to do so. I should have referenced it in the first place. The source is The Wall Street Journal on line edition of June 30th. http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...MULUS0903.html

To the best of my knowledge this is the first time the public has seen where these monies are going under this 'transparent' administration.

BBQMAN.....want to thank you for the information, the link, and the presentation !