billy,your post makes it sound like Obama could pass anything he wanted. Unfortunately not true. You and I know why dont we? Stop the misinformation please.

Has the Democrat Congress, when they had control, or the current Democrat controlled Senate, or has Obama asked for, any legislation concerning a proposed tightening or eliminating, or in fact anything, to do with "farm subsidies" or whatever it is that Buggy or VK are pontificating about???

I can answer that..............NO, they haven't.

Stop the misinformation, please.

Only One Primary Going On Now
 

I mentioned BOTH parties, Bucco. But I did refer to the GOP as the party with most conservative fiscal values, who might begin to oppose giveaway programs like this.

My reference also had to do with the GOP primary, the only primary where there is any dialog back and forth between the candidates. Have you heard anything there about withdrawing the benefits of these subsidy programs. I would have hoped that at least one of the candidates would have mentioned it by now. I certainly don't expect to hear anything from the Democrats. But if no one mentions it or makes a proposal, it's pretty certain that nothing is going to happen.

To honestly respond to your question, no I have not heard it mentioned on the campaign AND to be further honest I understand that Obama;s budget reduces these subsidies.

Now, in my opinion and this is more about the primary than the referred to subject.....if they did discuss it it would be lost in the shuffle as the media could care less to talk about something like that....also, if any candidate did bring it up, it would be Romney or Paul, and the media is in love with ridicule rather than covering anything. That is just my opinion...I am not in love with this primary at all.

VK restated it absolutely perfectly. No, there has not been any legislation or talk of eliminating farm subsidies but you sure think the Republicans who are supposed to be so fiscally conservative and against all government money being spent would have brought it up on campaign.

No, wait - not a smart thing to do in the states like Minnesota, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Illinois, etc. Let those possible voters slop at the public trough but talk about stopping food stamps, free lunches for schoolkids, and stopping unemployment benefits for the people who would not vote Republican anyhow is the right plan?

Yeah, those Democrats sure have done that in the past, and the Democrats would never act this way....I sure wish I was a party guy and could find a party of such saints as the Democrats are.

And I gave your hero all the credit in another post for cutting the subsidies but always wonder why what he does has a famaliar ring to it...

"Farmers who most need assistance will continue to get it, but "wealthy farmers" should be cut off from the billions of dollars the U.S. Department of Agriculture doles out every year, according to the budget proposal. "

Obama Seeks to Trim Farm, Insurance Subsidies - WSJ.com

Not saying he is wrong in this one....certainly have not looked into it as much as you obviously have.


By the way, you aim everything to the right...but you do know he tried to do a similiar thing in 2010 and was stopped by his own party who would not allow it...not just his party but both....but when you aim, aim correctly !

Good to hear from you, Bucco and glad you decided not to leave.

Anyhow, Pres. Obama is NOT my hero. I do admire the man for his achievements. My heroes are 3. First, my father, Second, Brian Thacker, and Third, John Glenn.

No, I do not mean all criticism to the Republicans. However, this is Republican primary time so let the candidates show some spine and talk about issues facing everyone and not just a few they know are not going to vote Republican.

I will ask you this...why did the Democrats not show some spine AND DO SOMETHING about it when they controlled both houses ???????

Not sure what accomplishments our President has had...he calls the disaster of a health bill one...if you do, tell me why...as the goal was to CUT HEALTH CARE COSTS and the bill does not even address that in anyway, and the long range financial impact is not a good one.

But since you called the Republicans for not having spine TO TALK about it, why did the Democrats do NOTHING when the had the chance to DO something about it ? In fact, the man of whom you are so proud of asked them to do that in the budget and they still with all the power did nothing...riddle me that !

And I am back because I read while I was gone, and it seems it is now ok to call elected officials names of any kind as this forum approved of Mahers comments...thus why not..no holds barred.....I can play that game..prefer to be a bit more civil but bring it on.

Why didn't Democrats do anything about farm and crop subsidies? Because they have no spine, either. To legislate against the subsidies would cost them their seat in Congress as no self respecting farmer is going to vote for someone who wants to take money directly from them. Sometimes it is huge amounts of money. As I said, I have farmer relatives who take in over $80K in subsidies each year in addition to their farm profits.

Unfortunately, I think farm and crop subsidies are here to stay and you and I will keep paying for them.

Just seems strange that you would come on here and publicly call out a party for not TALKING ABOUT an issue and not criticize or even mention a party who had the opportunity but DID NOTHING about same issue.

Oh well....that is what drives me nuts with politics...party first before anything.

Exactly, and that's why when I asked the question directly it was ignored. It didn't fit the script.

He Pulled The Trigger
 

He's done some good things and some not so good, or even bad. But ordering the mission which resulted in Osama bin Laden getting a SEAL bullet in his right eye, when his entire general staff recommended against it was a gutsy call by the commander-in-chief. He didn't shoot the bullet, but he pulled the trigger when no one else would.

That one might not be important to a lot of people, but it was to me.

I've spent some time trying to find corroboration to your story of his "entire general staff" as being opposed to the Bin Laden operation and Obama's heroic decision to "strap on his six gun" and take Bin Laden out.

I've found reports that tell a completely different story, but none to support yours.

I can't find your version of this story. Maybe you can post it.

Osama Bin Laden dead: Obama took 16 hours to make up his mind | Mail Online

so now your down to giving no credit to Obama for Bin Laden death? How sad.Bucco this is what drives me crazy!

RichieLion, I always heard the same thing. I heard he had to be pressured into it. Since he was playing golf that day I don't know when they found time to twist his arm.