this coming from the identity politics of the left.

Indeed tribal fears are real for some. Civilization required one respect the sanctity of the individual over the collective .

However the left reaching for safe spaces all live in cocoons known as collectives. None dare act out alone. None dare be individuals and speak for themselves.
Its why Donna Brazile has become number one on liberals hit list

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Trump Derangement Syndrome again...what a surprise

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here we go again another "reductio ad Trumpsurdum.
The obsession concerning Trump is absurd

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And who was it before trump? Bush, bush got blamed for 15 years of the previous administration and there bobble heads.

That's not fair. you understood what the poster said and meant . Please don't add your unkindness to repertoire
speak to the issues

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I don’t know anything about identity politics. I’m an individual, a white male who happens to think that in the absence of traditional family structure and values with the ever decreasing religious community it is the citizens duty within the boundaries of government action need to take care of our own. Our own meaning all peoples from all the human tribes.


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And caught doing the exact same thing with his emails that they continue to pillory Hillary about.

And is one of ten close associates of Trump that SO FAR have been found to cover up their secret dealings with Russia.

You do know that he is now President of the United States and as such his every word is covered and analyzed world wide/

You do know that and that his words and actions are the news all over the world You do know that he speaks for all of us.

And you did not reply to the thread or the post, as you NEVER do......simply a snide little comment to distract.

Again, he lied as a Democratic. He lies as a Republican.

He was dishonest as a Democrat and is dishonest as a Republican.

How, on a political forum, discussing a liar in the White House, a man who demeans at every turn his own country, who makes false accusations of a felonious nature....ALL OF THEM SPREAD ALL OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD....is IN YOUR OPINION is an "obsession" validates your absolute disrespect for truth and honor.

It speaks directly to what you feel is important and truth does not rank very high on your list.

Your need to isolate and label other americans and then attack them speaks also directly to your lack of any redeeming qualities.

You are a fan of lying, support it, and you spout off about identity politics but are a white man supporting an agenda of white supremacy.

You offer no rebuttal to the accusations of his lying as a member of both parties, although if you wish I can direct you to concrete proven printed evidence.

You offer no rebuttal to his dishonest and UN AMERICAN activities as both a Democrat and Republican.

You offer only your personal support for lying, dishonesty and lack of character.

Actually, Fox Noise is the only station that continues to drag out Brazile, Hillary, the NFL, etc. ad nauseum in their desperate attempt to ignore any news at all that is derogatory toward Trump.

Why not? Ignorance is NOT bliss. If someone is so poorly educated in the basics of our common language, it is a sure bet they are equally poorly qualified to be discussing an intricate subject like politics. I seriously believe every single person should take a civics exam before they are allowed to vote. It's amazing how many people do not understand the basic structure of our government or cannot name even three Supreme Court Justices.

I just came across an article where a 21 week old was
born and survived.

So I will ask for the upteenth time does a fetus have moral value?

Mind you not money value but moral value.

Money value is a focus of Planned Parenthood and that is another topic for another time.

We have allowed non sequitur thinking to prevail by claiming a woman's right to chose. Again another topic
but by allowing this choice upsets the balance of moral value for a fetus.

Pro-choice people are saying if a fetus is allowed to survive it has moral value. However if abortion is the choice the fetus has no moral value and "that dog simply won't hunt"

it has been said that 75% of the abortions at Planned parenthood are performed on black females . The irony of it all escapes liberals .

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See....we agree on the substance, but YOU have lost the right to take the high moral road.

YOU support a non moral man surrounded by non moral people who committed and do commit non moral acts.

You are either moral or not....it is not an issue by issue basis, and YOU have, long ago, given up that road. You are against morals UNLESS it provides you ammo to attack and always deals with politics with you.

Most moral people are moral in all walks of their life....not, not most...ALL.....YOU ARE NOT.

What we have here is a poster who is in total denial, assuming a higher moral ground , exhibiting Trump Derangement Syndrome

The short version of what I said is "To anger a liberal, tell him the truth"

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You will no doubt be happy to hear that some states, in their zeal to protect the unborn, have introduced legislation to make male masturbation against the law. Isn't it great when perfect strangers feel empowered to make laws that control your personal body?

Au contraire: I support the position of the President of the United States. I leave the moral judgment of a man to God. I do however, judge the policy platform of my party and often disagree with their decisions, if and when they are capable of making one.

I spent my entire career studying, practicing and even offering ethics as the lead off topic in our managers meetings....but I digress. Judge me not least thee be judged.

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I prefer the undertakings of passing a law that demands serious consideration before performing an abortion when a heart beat of a fetus is detected.

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Well we agree to a point.

However, I don't need no stinkin goverment to do anything for me but promote commerce, defend the nation from foreign and domestic enemies and conduct a Treasury that provides a medium of exchange.

You know why ? Because all governments are amoral and they all want power and control over the individual and the best manner in doing so here in America is by way of entitlements be it a corporation or an individual

Identity politics is destroying this nation because it is governing by collectives and collective demand equal outcomes over merit . They demand you accept abnormalities as normal.

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Yep.. If they fix a road or two I'd be alright with that also..

The only thing we agree upon is that we’re both white males. How do you expect OUR society to take care of our own ? Charitable organizations are not far reaching enough, have limited resources and inconsistent procedures. They don’t have the resources of our government. Like it or not our federal government has taken the reigns in the absence of small town community.


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Let me preface this by saying you have touched upon an aspect of societal obligations that has lost meaning in this nation and hence there is not enough space here to do it justice .

I am very supportive of society's obligation to support those who through no fault of their own truly need support (physical/mentally disabled).

The reality today is that be it a charitable organization or government questionable practices result. government programs all fail and for the obvious reasons

Fraud and abuse is rampant in government programs and the government knows it and ignores it because well after all it is taxpayer money.

I was a big supporter of United Way even back when it was called Community Chest which my mother chaired in our community. However that changed with the revelation of just how much was going to charity and how much to staff especially the president and CEO. We now give only to St Jude

Far too many scams today have damaged the name of "Charitable organization.

Again as to government look what their policy has done, well more to the point not done concerning mental health . The most forgotten people in this nation are those with mental health problems..many of whom live on the streets. Should we even pursue the mishandling of the VA?

As Ronald Reagan so aptly pointed out "the most frightening nine words are , I'm from the government and we're here to help.:)

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The ACA has addressed the mental health issue. It is required in all policies. Now the repubs want to replace all inclusive policies with happy meal policies at happy meal prices. The repubs claim mass murder shooters to be mentally ill, well WTF.


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Yet you do not feel A LIAR AS PRESIDENT is an issue. You do not feel a PRESIDENT MAKING PUBLIC PERSONAL FELONIOUS ACCUSATIONS is an issue.

How can such a wonderful man as you profess to be come on this forum, demean the free press, call them liars, support a man who you know is lying and thus putting our entire country in jeopardy, support him to the point that you have suggested he should not be picked on, but supported under any or all conditions, call yourself moral in any way.

How can a man, who on numerous occasions, has called himself a patriot support the untruths, the treasonous activities of his campaign, refer to and agree saying investigating an invasion if our country is/was a hoax, be moral in anyway.

How can any person who claims the Republican part as "their" Party maintain any integrity when this Republican Party is the anthesis of the GOP in almost every way..from morals and character to blowing up the national debt. How can you support a party, which by the way I PERSONALLY served for many years, that is not even close to the party of old.

How can you ignore based on what you say, the multitude of ethic violations of this White Hipouse ?

You claim a lot, and you criticize those...the media, me, etc...who want to maintain the ethics and standards if the Office younsay you respect...you call us names...you charge us with a syndrome...you actually supported him saying that the ex President wire tapped him, and you did it without any questions.

You were vocal on many occasions saying that he is misunderstood, that investigation of the invasion by Russia is being used as a tool to "get" Trump.

You say you leave moral judgements to God, yet almost daily you accuse anyone not affiliated with you to be morally short, corrupt...encompassing millions and millions of other human beings.

Please spare me....you are a hypocrit if the highest order.

Your only..answer to Trump lies, etc is to speak if your sworn enemy....progressives. Yet, you say you don't like party politics. I worked within a party for over 40 years and witnessed, partook in many productive projects and conversations with progressives and conservatibpves, and I reject strongly you almost daily attack on fellow Americans simply, it appears, because they do not worship at the altar if Trump. You continually accuse media of outright flagrant lies....yet you NEVER can show any if what you charges. Is this leaving judgement up to a higher being. These are people...MUCH MORE HONEST than your hero that you call liars.

You attack our constitution...free press, the judicial system, and by silence the support of Trumps attack. You support his personal judgement of people, but say that is left to God.

No American citizen should be quiet in the wake of not only our President, ON FOREIGN SOIL, publicly calling the leaders of the investigation into the invasion, "hacks", etc while being sympathetic to as Sen McCain mentioned a member, or head of KGB.

You may have lectured your subordinates on ethics, as you do on here, but you forgot to mention how silence in the face of violations of ethics is endorsing such actions. It also flies in the face of you ever calling yourself a patriot, because that you are not.

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Overview | Something happens — a moment of injustice, a threat to the nation, a potentially
criminal act. Why do some people speak out or take action, while others remain silent? And how can we encourage more people to recognize the moment when bravery is required?"

Do The Right Thing: Making Ethical Decisions in Everyday Life - The New York Times

You are truely a wise ass.

I claim no moral high ground ever. I am full of errors in judgement, and as I have said to you on here. I value truth, because embracing truth will keep me on the right road.

My problem with you is your hypocrisy and what appears to be your embracing hypocrisy and simply for your adoration if one man.

You find it easy to criticize and label millions of Americans, then accuse thousands of lying.

That is not easy for me to do. I claim nothing...I am a person who simply wants truth to guide my country. There are lots of ways to reach goals, but you can't even discuss them unless you trust.

You are a man lost without the ability to apply a label and condemn generally.

The REAL structure...the wealthy/corporations call the shots and their elected stooges follow orders...or the "fake" version where there are checks and balances?

Name 3 corrupt individuals who help the wealthy rob the treasury? Why? They made corporations...PEOPLE. They decided that a town a seize your land if someone else will develop it for more tax revenue. They alloed corporations to donate as much as they want to any one candidate...to buy them.

great...there's several $ million spent on healthcare...just in the first year. It will ALWAYS be sickly. Better to throw them back and cast again. Let them die as nature intended.

It sure does "hunt"...it's a perfectly logical phrase...while in the womb...it's its mothers body and SHE decides...once it's out of the woman and ALIVE...it's a human with rights.

Thank God! Can you imagine any more blacks running around destroying things? Can we make it 100% aborted?

Unfortunately...the number is much lower:

"According to the CDC report, the rate of abortion among African-American women is far higher than among white American women. While black women make up only six percent of the U.S. population, they account for 35 percent of abortions reported."

Too bad... I guess they don't throw away their meal ticket as often as I'd hoped.

Well then...menstrual cycles are against the law too...an egg gets flushed each monthly cycle. EVERY woman on the pill unless actively conceiving.

You're a REAL American...THAT is what the founders wanted. FREEDOM for YOU to decide what YOU will do and how to do it. Not everything gets thrown in a big pot and shared equally...even with half the population not pulling their weight.

Good post...

What do you mean "take care of our own"? Our people do just fine. It's the feral minorities who can't cope. Who CONSTANTLY need to be supported. Who suck away about a $ trillion a year in welfare costs. Minorities get 90% of the welfare money. Don't believe me? GO to the welfare office...peek your head in...Mostly Hispanic followed closely by blacks and a sprinkling of white women with black kids.

The poor are dragging us down...AND they are breeding us out...becoming the majority.

Listen to me...I tell you the truth.

The truth is there...open your eyes and see it. You CANNOT even discuss problems if you can't speak the TRUTH about them.

"Alternative facts. Lies. Distortions. Exaggerations. Misstatements. Half truths.

Call it what you want, but there's one indisputable fact: Donald Trump does a stunning amount of it.
According to a count maintained by The Washington Post's Fact Checker and updated Tuesday morning, Trump has now made 1,628 false or misleading claims in his 298 days in office. That's an average of 5.5 a day. Five and a half misleading or outright false statements for each day -- including weekends! -- that Trump has been president.

By the Fact-Checker's estimates, Trump -- if he keeps up his current pace -- will blow past 2,000 misstatements and/or untruths in his first year in office.
Stop. Go back and read that last sentence. Then read it again."

The President of the United States has misled or lied more than 1,600 times since January 20. That's so important I am going to repeat it -- and underline it: The president of the United States has misled or lied more than 1,600 times since January 20."

Donald Trump says something that isn't true 5.5 times a day. Every day. - CNNPolitics