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Guest 05-24-2011 01:19 PM

The reason it 'mattered' is because I was curious as to whether or not you were on Medicare/Medicaid.

And, in the interest of full disclosure, technically, I can see a LOT of doctors on my plan. Just not if I want to change physicians RIGHT AWAY (like having to wait too long to see a doctor so I want to change to another). I have to file paperwork to change my primary care physician to another approved doctor or association.

Guest 05-24-2011 01:38 PM

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The reason it 'mattered' is because I was curious as to whether or not you were on Medicare/Medicaid.

And, in the interest of full disclosure, technically, I can see a LOT of doctors on my plan. Just not if I want to change physicians RIGHT AWAY (like having to wait too long to see a doctor so I want to change to another). I have to file paperwork to change my primary care physician to another approved doctor or association.

Your plan must be different than mine because I don't have to do any of that. I just pick a plan doctor and that's that. Almost all offices accept my plan. I don't need to have a primary physician. I don't need approval or referral to get tests that are prescribed, such as a MRI.

Guest 05-24-2011 06:23 PM

Can It?
 
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...I just pick a plan doctor and that's that. Almost all offices accept my plan. I don't need to have a primary physician. I don't need approval or referral to get tests that are prescribed, such as a MRI.

Geez, that sounds like Medicare. You're not talking about Medicare, are you Richie? That single payer, government-funded, socialist inspired insurance can't have those kinds of advantages....or can it?

Guest 05-24-2011 06:28 PM

Confused
 
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...If I can't get a prompt appointment now, I can call another doctor. I can pick and choose every aspect of my health care needs, and provide for whatever procedure I want, and at the time of my choosing.

Why would I want that to change? It's not in my best interests or the interests of my family....

I'm really confused. This sounds like the hated Medicare to me.

Guest 05-24-2011 07:03 PM

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I'm really confused. This sounds like the hated Medicare to me.

Bait me all you want. I'm not sure what the game is, but I'm not playing. I've said I have a Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan. I don't have Medicare. I don't want Medicare. I'd rather just have the plan I have now forever. Unfortunately, when I turn 65 in the future, I'll be forced into it. But this is about the unadulterated socialist health care scheme known as Obamacare which will dictate the health care of every American and non-American who violates our borders, not Medicare that only affects seniors.

Guest 05-24-2011 07:44 PM

why does it cost so much?
 
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Guest 05-25-2011 06:29 AM

Richie: On average, over 50% of a person's lifetime medical costs will happen in their last 2 years of life. Can you imagine how much your BC/BS plan will cost later on in your 60s & 70s?

Since private insurers have a tendency to kick people off their plans once they are no longer profitable (their first loyalty being to the shareholders), who would insure my 90-year-old grandmother or even my 66-year-old mother?

This is the problem with a 100%-private plan under the rules that corporations operate these days. Of course there are problems galore with 100%-public plans but it would *appear* that hybrid plans (like France and Switzerland have) work better.

Guest 05-25-2011 07:50 AM

Right!
 
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Richie: On average, over 50% of a person's lifetime medical costs will happen in their last 2 years of life. Can you imagine how much your BC/BS plan will cost later on in your 60s & 70s?

Since private insurers have a tendency to kick people off their plans once they are no longer profitable (their first loyalty being to the shareholders), who would insure my 90-year-old grandmother or even my 66-year-old mother?

This is the problem with a 100%-private plan under the rules that corporations operate these days. Of course there are problems galore with 100%-public plans but it would *appear* that hybrid plans (like France and Switzerland have) work better.

Absolutely correct, DJ. I attended a meeting just last month wherein the presenter showed the results of a nationwide study that has been going on for over a decade. The results were that every single person in the U.S. will on average spend just a few dollars less than $249,000 on medical care during the last two years oif their lives. The point being made was that, unless one wants to try to "play the averages", arrangements should be made for either long-term insurance or a residential program that will assure such care regardless of financial circumstance. (The presentation was not by an insurance agent!)

From several instances of personal experience, I have experienced and observed such spending on those I've known. The healthcare industry knows very well where lots and lots of their money is made--on old people within a couple of years of the ends of their lives. There was lots of criticism of "death panels" and "killing grandma" during the debate preceding the passage of Obabmacare. Realistically, if healthcare spending is to be controlled and reduced, there probably should have been even more discussion and debate. If the costs of prolonging life for just a year or two using expensive and extraordinary measures are so great (and so profitable to various participants in the healthcare industry, by the way), it's possible that getting overall healthcare spending under control calls for control--intelligent "rationing" if you will--of spending that prolongs life if not the quality of life.

Before you ask--statistically, I'm within several years of when I could normally expect to be subject to any such changes that might occur in healthcare insurance.


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