Of course, it's a partisan post. I'm mostly conservative and I have nothing in common with today's socialists that muck about under the guise of the Democrat label.

Yes, Obama did see opposition. Opposition to his radical agenda. Opposition with a purpose of doing their jobs, not just radical protests and demonstrations like a bunch of kids. Congress has a job to do and they are not there to fight the person. Schumer and ilk are fighting the person (Trump) not the agenda. It is not ideology with the left now. It's an agenda of furthering anarchy. The left has turned into a protest against law and order. A protest against anything that resembles morality and a protest against ethics.

For once, we have a president in D.C. that actually does not NEED the job but wants to make a difference to our country. The left does not protest his agenda, but just him. They don't like him, thus he has to go. He is not ONE of them, so he has to go. The old Democratic party was my family's party, but has disappeared to be replaced by an anti-American, shadow or bizorro image of what the party once stood for. It's a shame. But, now the Democrat party (in name only) is the enemy of America and the American way.

Obama received opposition to his socialist agenda. Good for the minority party that probably saved America from totally going bankrupt. Obama wished only to give someone else's money away, regardless of the consequences.

The Republican party is not perfect, but it has received a wake up call, in the form of Trump. In the old days, little towns hired gunslingers to clean up the town. Once the town was free of criminals, the gunslinger was an embarrassment that they wished to run out of town. The gov has been known to hire computer hackers to fix their security leaks. The point is that Trump may not fit the mold of diplomat, but he is definitely what America needs right now.

Just as an experiment related to the topic of this thread, exactly how far does your partisanship go? For example, are you troubled at all by:

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign?
2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc)
3. The late night tweeting?
4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped?
5. The narcissism?
6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet?
7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally?

So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS?

I think the answer to your last question...is pretty clear regarding a number of posters here.

"NOTHING will change my love for Chump!" :oops:

That they embrace and worship his narcissism, lying, simpleton views and wealth...has been pretty well established by now. :ohdear:

The strongest connection they have with Trump, is a personality defect of being incapable...of admitting they are ever wrong.

And they probably brag about grabbing women by the ......

I know you did not ask me but I thought you had some good questions and wanted to offer my answers.

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign? I think it is bull$hit political chatter to undermine his win. I feel our own media tried to influence the election!!

2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc) I sometime change my mind on large expenditures and sometimes it is not financially feasible , It would be hypocritical of me to have a problem with a change in plans.

3. The late night tweeting? I don't stay up late and I don't tweet. If you or Trump are into that - have at it.

4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped? The fat lady has not sung on this. My initial thoughts were he was misinformed by someone that works for him or we are being misinformed from someone that worked for Obamma (Rice).

5. The narcissism? That's your diagnosis, not sure you are qualified to make it...if you are, I suspect you might be your best client.

6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet? It must not be as easy to find financially talented people as Trump thought it was and you think it is?

7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally? I have no confidence in the media today, if you do - have at it. I think the media got egg on their face trying to make Crooked Hillary president and they are upset about his ability to cut them out of the process


So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS? I really doubt it. I felt Obamma was a POS and Crooked Hillary would be more Obamma...I was not going to waste my vote on a person that could not garner more than 1% of the nation's votes...so Trump is the best option we had. I am happy with his progress and disapointed with the anti Trump crap.





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Excellent post! There is no use for me to answer those questions, when you have pretty much covered them with answers that I concur with.

The left still insists on attacking the person rather than the agenda or any policies. They still don't seem to understand that their party is circling the drain and they are simply paddling the boat to speed it up.

I respect your answer and appreciate that you took the time to respond to my questions. Seriously, I truly mean that. We many disagree, but we can still respect each other's right to express an opinion. I wouldn't ask if I didn't want an answer. Your responses give this thread some significant insight into it's topic, which is political partisanship. So in the spirit of further study of partisanship:

May I follow up? Let's forget about Obama and Clinton as they are not the President of the United States.

1. So then, are you in favor of the Congress continuing to investigate the Russian connection to the 2016 elections? Why or why not?

2. So, you forgive financial feasibility mistakes. I'm ok with that, but what about the other issues I list? Do we forgive those too?

3. Like you, I don't tweet. Twitter is not my thing. I've been known to stay up late, but not usually. Now that those issues are resolved, the reason I ask is that tweets are public and when the POTUS speaks publically, it matters, right? So, if he states national policy in tweets, or accuses someone of deeds with no proof of those accusations being true, is that a problem?

4. I think from your response that you, like me, want to continue to investigate this matter to determine the truth. If we find that Trump had no basis for the accusation, does he owe former President Obama an apology, and should the Twitter account of the POTUS be shut down?

5. What makes you think I'm a narcissist? I'm really curious on that one. And I didn't diagnose Trump as a narcissist, as you correctly state that I am not qualified. That diagnosis has been done by numerous other qualified analysts writing in national publications. Are those all lies?
A Psychologist Analyzes Donald Trump’s Personality - The Atlantic

6. Do all the financially talented people in the US work at, or formerly worked at Goldman Sachs? Just seems ironic that he accused Secretary Clinton of being bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs as a reason to not vote for her, and then he hires so many of the GS alumni. Is that alright with the people who voted for him based on his campaign statements?
Trump used to hate Goldman Sachs. What happened?

7. As for the "alternative facts," the untruths have been pretty well documented. Is this OK?
'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration - The Atlantic

Your problem is that you are STILL attacking the person and not the policies/agenda. You did not question Obama's background, you just voted for him. You did not question his associations with radicals, including the domestic bomber, and his foreign ties to his WWII criminal donor. You are the hypocrite that you accuse others of being. Before you ask your silly questions, why don't you ask yourself what your motivation is for attacking the president AFTER he has been elected.

AMERICA is circling the drain...they DON'T realize it is their policies and the RAPID rise in the minority population that is causing it. By encouraging minorities they ARE speeding it up.

OK, I don't have a problem. I'm just trying to participate in a discussion about why America is so politically partisan, and if you don't like my opinions about that topic then that is your problem, not mine. If you think my questions are "silly" then ignore them, but someone needs to answer them. The questions were posed to demonstrate that there is partisanship on both sides of the political aisle and not just from the Democrats. If that is wrong, then answer the questions. I'm not attacking the POTUS, but I have every right to oppose his policies, and unlike you, I can do that without hating him or resorting to ridiculous accusations that have no basis in fact.

Sorry to call you out in your fragile state, but the fact is that you are showing only that you are partisan based on your dislike for the man, versus any of his policies. That is being disingenuous any way you look at it. Perhaps, in your grief of being a loser, you don't realize that you are not looking at the presidency but at a Hollywood celebrity style personal character preference. That IS your prerogative, but it has nothing to do with being politically partisan. It just means that you wish to be lead purely by your popularity preference.

Making a list of questions that are not pertinent to the subject does not mean you are astute enough to avoid criticism. My point is that according to your list, it would not matter if the person was Dem or Repub, you would rate by personality flaws over ideology. That is not a politically partisan trait, but a popularity trait. Of course, if you pointed out those particular flaws in Trump based on your political difference and could not find any policy flaws, I guess it would be a stretch to make the claim that this could be partisan.

So, to summarize......you don't know how to debate the partisan issue so you are talking out your @ss again. Forgive my rather frank manner of pointing this out to you.

Fyi
 

Your reply indicates that you never established your own business
As to the head of a corporation making 500x what an employee makes. First of all it is obvious that YOU were not the head of a corporation. By the way, I was not either. THINK-your did not get an offer. I did not either.
REASON-you did not go after OR WORK your way up to that position. THE FACT IS YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. Or at least no one knew your wanted the position or had a reason to place their faith in you increasing the profitably of the corporation. YOUR SOCIALIST VIEWS PROVES YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED TO RUN A MAJOR CORPORATION.

Not only that, YOU are invested in the evil corporations that your criticize. If, you have a pension. If, you have an annuity. If, you have retirement funds-THEY ARE ALL INVESTED IN WHAT YOU SEE AS EVIL.

You really need to take a class in economics or better yet get over how it is super to spend other people's money. The trouble with those "smart" people who live in Academia is that they lose touch with how the real world functions, although they continue to be dependent on people who operate legitimate businesses for profit. They teach because lots of times they can't "do".

This is not as good as the prior post in answer to you, but folks like you who live in some dream world are the reason that socialism fails. When you run out of other people's money socialism is on the ropes.

Good answer! :thumbup:

Just for the record, I do not consider free enterprise and capitalism to be evil. You are right, I've invested in many of them, and my return might have been greater but for the exorbitant salaries and bonuses paid to corporate leadership, and the lucrative stock buy back schemes of CEOs to enhance the value of their own stock at the detriment of dividends.

True enough, I've never been a CEO, though much to your surprise, I have worked many years in the private sector. So I'll plead guilty that I'm not qualified to run a major corporation. Those facts put me squarely in the vast majority of American citizens. I'm happy enough there, thank you very much.

As for democratic socialism as practiced in America, I can see you want nothing to do with that, so please stay off our roads and bridges, do not call our police, fire department, or EMS, don't expect our military to protect you if we are invaded, don't take your Social Security check, refuse Medicare, don't send your children to public school and universities, snowplow your own road to your own house, bury your own garbage in your back yard, keep out of the public library, put up your own streetlights, just to name a few. And by all means, don't vote. Thanks. That should relieve your conscience about being a socialist.

Fragile state? I sure don't feel like I'm in a fragile state, but thank you Doctor Freud for your dimestore analysis.

I want to give my most humble apology. I feel so worthless and uninformed because I've never started a business. Clearly you are a far superior person because you claim that you have. You got me. I've never been a CEO, but I can read and understand economic statistics. You know nothing about me, nor I about you.

Now let me state the truth. Your pathetic schoolyard bully criticisms and playground taunts of me have absolutely no impact. Is that really all you've got? :1rotfl: It simply demonstrates that you have no facts or rational argument to back up any of your opinions relative to the state of political partisanship in America today. Try some facts. Prove me wrong with data or reasoned opinions. Answer my questions about Trump, if you have the courage to be honest.

Can you arrange for a refund for all the years I have paid for things I did not use? And please make arrangements for me to be able to stop paying any further...

Thanks!



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:1rotfl:


:thumbup:

:clap2:

So true!

Better work on your reading comprehension, OR control your hysteria. You have mixed your reply to my comment with the content of someone else's comment. That must be embarrassing for you, considering all the effort you put into working up what you must think is a witty response.

And your saying: "Your pathetic schoolyard bully criticisms and playground taunts of me have absolutely no impact." simply proves the opposite.

Don't worry, I am sure that you are secure in your "safe room" so "bullying" shouldn't harm you there. :a20:

I think that it starts with the politicians at the top. Instead of simply agreeing that we have differences, politicians attach motives to the other side.

This has been going on for decades and the more it was done, the more the people actually believed what they were saying.

Paul Ryan made a wonderful speech after the police officers were gunned down in Dallas last year. This represents the way that we should be thinking of each other and our opposition.

Here's the speech.

I think that unfortunately most people running for office, don't believe that this kind of attitude will help the get elected and they may be right. When Bob Dole was running against Bill Clinton, he said, "He is not my enemy, he is my opponent." When John McCain ran against President Obama, he said, "We shouldn't be afraid if Obama wins. He's a good man."

Both of these people lost and most candidates who take this kind of attitude toward their opponents also lose.

The problem is that most of the politicians understand that this is just politics and they are friendly afterward. Look at the nice things that President Trump said about Hillary at his inauguration luncheon.

Most of the people actually believe that the opposition party are enemies of the country.

I don't have an answer as to how to stop it. I only fear that it is going to get worse.

Good post. Thank you. And I agree that partisanship is probably going to get even worse. I think term limits and laws to reduce the influx of so much money into the electoral process might help.

Probably depends on what happens with Donald John Trump over the next year or so. And if the politicians can start looking again at the US Constitution and the vision of some of them for this country. It was not for someone who thinks he is another King or has the makings of a King. How Donald Trump's Presidency Will Be Similar to the Tudor Reign of King Henry VIII

After Obama trampled on the Constitution for 8 years, the left is going to complain NOW? WOW!

We now live in an era where being mean spirited and lying is accepted and that is a prelude to disaster.

We now live in an era where being mean spirited and lying is necessary and that is a prelude to disaster.

Fixed your typo...it's beyond acceptable...it's required. Because nobody wants to hear the truth...each group gets a different lie.

I couldn't agree more. Right now members of congress are more interested in getting re-elected than doing their jobs. My solution is this.

One nine year term for senators. One six year term for representatives. Replace one third of each house every three years. That gives us a combination of experience and new blood. No person can serve more then one term as representative, one term as senator and two terms as president in their lifetime. Return us to a citizen government.

...and how about creating conditions where being in Congress requires hard work and dedication only to the welfare of the nation and not to one's self. For example:

(a) prohibit for life any former member of Congress from taking any employment in post Congressional service that requires lobbying Congress.

(b) prohibit any member of Congress, or any family member of a member of Congress, or any Congressional staffer from accepting any gift, money, meals, service, or travel, beyond a cup of coffee, while serving in office. Necessary travel expenses would be paid from Congressional office budgets.

(c) offer the same employment perks, such as health insurance, retirement pensions, and other allowances, for members of Congress as other career federal employees.

Two more things I was thinking about this morning with regards to the OP's question.

First of all, those on both sides like to point out the extremists on the opposite side and try to make the case that this is the norm for that side.

The democrats are all socialist and want to turn us into a totally socialist or, even worst, communist society. Are there some on that side that believe in this? Of course there are, but they are in the minority. The conservative news media and websites will always show these extremists and try to make the case that they are the base of the party.

The same thing for the other side when they claim that conservatives are all knuckle dragging racists who only want to see big business succeed and the average people be poor. There are probably a few on the extreme right that have this attitude, but it is in no way the middle ground of the republican party.

The other thing is that once an election has taken place, the losing side nitpicks all kinds of ridiculous things that have little or nothing to do with policies that will help us be a better country. Obama is a Muslim, Trump hasn't shown his tax returns. Really? Are these the issues that we should be trying to resolve?

A picture of President Obama bowing to a foreign leader and the fact that President Trump mistakenly said 7/11 when he meant 9/11.

These are absurd issues that can simple be explained by the fact that presidents are human beings and not perfect. Everyone mis-speaks and has mis-steps. People focus on those things simply to try to tear down the other side as opposed to working on real solutions to problems.

Until this kind of nonsense stops, we'll remain partisan and probably become even more partisan.

Although I've posted my ideas (below) twice previously and months earlier, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...that you aren't plagiarizing most of what I've proposed. ;)




The fact that NO ONE answered my two previous posts of this, makes it interesting...that you've finally chosen to pipe up.


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

I've been proposing this solution for many years. In fact, I have to typed out as a word document and simply copy and paste it when I want to post it on a site.

I guess great minds think alike.

Interesting article listing the top 10 reasons America is so partisan now:

The top 10 reasons American politics are so broken - The Washington Post

I agree. Good linked article.

It's broken because it's corrupt and full of corrupt people.

Why so partisan?
 

Because we have lost the ability to LISTEN. There is a reason we were
given two ears and only one mouth! We can meet in the middle if we give everyone the same respect that we expect ourselves.

We've lost the ability to REASON.

There is NO "middle" when you're dealing with different species with different abilities. We keep lowering the standards...they keep failing to meet them.

If they beat "us" in anything, anywhere...I could see including them...but they're NOT. Blacks and Hispanics are ALWAYS at the bottom...so WHY would "we"...who are ALWAYS at the TOP...even consider giving them an equal say in things? They SHOULD shut up and let the white men run things. It's like giving mongoloids an equal say...they're idiots with nothing to add.

When the American public becomes so fed up with the destructive partisanship that currently exists, will those in the political center ultimately form a third party to fight against the problem?

Despite the harsh rhetoric that we see from some posts on TOTV, there are lots of Republicans and Democrats that aren't that far apart on most issues, and are miles away from both extremes.

You don't get it...it's designed so there can be only the two parties in power. The D and R candidates are automatic on the ballot...they just provide a name and they're on the ballot. EVERYONE else has to jump through a million hoops making it nearly impossible to even get on the ballot...let alone win.

American white men have been beaten into the ground...emasculated...feminized...they won't even put up a fuss as the country is destroyed by the liberals who invited in...and paid...our Hispanic invaders.

The people on TOTV are no where near what most people I have talked to here in the Villages are like. And I have been here since July 2005 with a few trips to Palm Harbor, FL and the DC area.