Originally Posted by Guest

Hillary has three things going for her. She's female (I'd vote for that, there's too much testosterone in Govt), She's a Clinton (Not a bad brand, but I'd say the first one was simply in the right place at the right time, ie. the economic Tech Bubble period), and finally she has a lot of energy and worked very hard as Secretary, millions of miles of travel and she often looked haggard. I don't know about accomplishments and the world is too complex for me now. But I know Hillary gave her life to the job of Secretary of State and I give her credit in any case.

That said, I'm anti-dynasty. No Bush, No Clinton. I'm excited about Bernie Sanders. I feel the folks in our community tend to be conservation and opposed to change, so I don't fit in well. But I see Bernie as very similar to Obama 2008. I backed Obama and he disappointing (in fairness, it wasn't him as much as the opposition that wanted nothing but divisiveness). No matter, Bernie represents another opportunity for tomorrow and he's drawing the young people of tomorrow. My peers won't do it for him. Tomorrow belongs to the young and I hope they come through.

I will keep this short but to summarize, I do not agree with anything you are saying at all, which means nothing except I do not agree....

1. If Bernie Sanders ever became President there would be change. He is a socialist who democrat Claire Mccaskill said this week was "way out there" and too far left even for her. He is a socialist true and true so he represents a philosphohy that has failed each and every time it had a chance.

2. Only comment I will make about you saying how " the opposition that wanted nothing but divisiveness)" THAT is certainly the line that the party wants you to take but suggest you look up a man named Harry Reid. He changed the rules in the senate to STOP DEBATE....it was out way or the highway until the last election. PLUS, I might add, the mockery and out and out slander thrown at the opposition was so offensive I am not sure how anyone could do anything but fight back as best they could.

Having said that...you must be looking forward to the debates as I am because your candidate Sanders is pushing Ms Clinton further and further left.

We shall see. The only thing I "think" we agree on, because my comments are not a defense of the other party...but I think we agree on needing the parties to come together to get something done. We have no statesman in the WH at present so important to me is that characteristic.

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Totally agree with you. When I listed some general traits about the experience and character of Romney, that was the one that I would put the least emphasis on. Political experience to me has become more of a stumbling block than an attribute. Just get someone in there with the fortitude to get this country back on track and the people working together for the common good of the country as a whole, not just for special interest groups. In other words, get politics out of the equation! It has done nothing so far but to keep us at a standstill, or worse yet, pushing us down a hole we may eventually not be able to climb out of. Either way, we are setting ourselves up to become an easy target for our enemies if something doesn't change.

Romney was and still is my choice Intelligent integrity interest inititative.

I often wonder what it would be like if just once a politician without being forced admitted to the accusations . I believe Mitt Romney would but he didn't have any hidden skeletons that would offer fetter for the media. so Harry Reid invented the tax angle lying not once but twice and then boasting it worked because Romney wasn't elected. One theory as to why is because many white voters did not vote.

I personally believe we need a strong conservative president in 2016 because its going to take some doing to unravel the Obama mess. a moderate will kow tow to the progressives and by doing so will end up with half way measures that will be ineffective.

Perry gave an excellent speech about the race situation in our country that caused the pundits to stand up and take notice.

The Republican Establishment I fear will back Bush creating an unequal opportunity for other candidates. Let's hope we get an opportunity to hear all candidates debate because many of them have sound ideas for solving our problems

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The allegations concerning Clinton and her Foundation have a loud ring of truth. The Benghazi allegations have a loud ring of truth, The personal server and destruction of hundreds of e-mails have another loud ring of truth. so what is preventing the truth for being told? Where are the great newspaper investigators of the past that unraveled Watergate? Nixon's antics were small potatoes next to Hillary's illegal acts? and , Hillary was on the prosecutors team. Where is the moral outrage?

Her husband also an attorney lied under oath never admitted wrong doing and we can be sure that Hillary will go to her grave denying any impropriety

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There is a liberal bias in the print and broadcast media. The numerous lies by Clinton will generally not be discussed. The media playbook is "the ends justifies the means" and they favor a democratic woman candidate.

Originally Posted by Guest

The allegations concerning Clinton and her Foundation have a loud ring of truth. The Benghazi allegations have a loud ring of truth, The personal server and destruction of hundreds of e-mails have another loud ring of truth. so what is preventing the truth for being told? Where are the great newspaper investigators of the past that unraveled Watergate? Nixon's antics were small potatoes next to Hillary's illegal acts? and , Hillary was on the prosecutors team. Where is the moral outrage?

Her husband also an attorney lied under oath never admitted wrong doing and we can be sure that Hillary will go to her grave denying any impropriety

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Originally Posted by Guest

The allegations concerning Clinton and her Foundation have a loud ring of truth. The Benghazi allegations have a loud ring of truth, The personal server and destruction of hundreds of e-mails have another loud ring of truth. so what is preventing the truth for being told? Where are the great newspaper investigators of the past that unraveled Watergate? Nixon's antics were small potatoes next to Hillary's illegal acts? and , Hillary was on the prosecutors team. Where is the moral outrage?

Her husband also an attorney lied under oath never admitted wrong doing and we can be sure that Hillary will go to her grave denying any impropriety

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This is just the same old ultra-conservative hash that is rehashed one more time. There is no need for moral outrage because there is no wrong doing. Admit it, the conservatives are terrified of Mrs. Clinton because she is a strong and competent woman. She is a smart person and is heads and shoulders above ANY Republican candidate.

Once again, remember the demographics of the Democratic Party and of the Republican Party. The demographics are totally in place for Mrs. Clinton to win the presidency. Can you dispute that? NO, you cannot.

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This is just the same old ultra-conservative hash that is rehashed one more time. There is no need for moral outrage because there is no wrong doing. Admit it, the conservatives are terrified of Mrs. Clinton because she is a strong and competent woman. She is a smart person and is heads and shoulders above ANY Republican candidate.

Once again, remember the demographics of the Democratic Party and of the Republican Party. The demographics are totally in place for Mrs. Clinton to win the presidency. Can you dispute that? NO, you cannot.

Relative to the demographics that you mention. President Obama received 93% of the African American vote, which based on turnout figures equates to a lot of votes. There were about 2 million EXTRA BLACK VOTERS in 2012, and assumption is that was because of President Obama. President Obama won by 5 million.

She will need that turnout PLUS need to carry that same percentage to maintain the plurality advantage.

Same thing applies to the Hispanic vote. 71% of the over 11 million who voted were voting for Obama. That is another approx 8 million votes, so unless she is able to duplicate or increase the black turnout and margin as well as the Hispanic turnout and margin, I really do not see the demographic advantage you speak of. Fact is,without the dramatic increase in the black and Hispanic vote, President Obama does not win.

And perhaps it is nothing but rehash on her many many clouds. Time will tell, and time is one thing there is an abundance of in the 2016 cycle.

To speak on a more positive vein relative to your hopes I see where George Soros is throwing a few more million out ther to get out that vote, as I think professionals are also aware that if the blacks and Hispanics do not come out in record numbers, and vote as they did in 2012, it will not pan out so well.

Another thing to look out for. The crowds with Bernie Sanders may, and that is a big may, convince him he has a following that suggests a 3rd party run, especially on the socialist party. That would further inroad on Ms. Clinton.

Originally Posted by Guest

Relative to the demographics that you mention. President Obama received 93% of the African American vote, which based on turnout figures equates to a lot of votes. There were about 2 million EXTRA BLACK VOTERS in 2012, and assumption is that was because of President Obama. President Obama won by 5 million.

She will need that turnout PLUS need to carry that same percentage to maintain the plurality advantage.

Same thing applies to the Hispanic vote. 71% of the over 11 million who voted were voting for Obama. That is another approx 8 million votes, so unless she is able to duplicate or increase the black turnout and margin as well as the Hispanic turnout and margin, I really do not see the demographic advantage you speak of. Fact is,without the dramatic increase in the black and Hispanic vote, President Obama does not win.

And perhaps it is nothing but rehash on her many many clouds. Time will tell, and time is one thing there is an abundance of in the 2016 cycle.

To speak on a more positive vein relative to your hopes I see where George Soros is throwing a few more million out ther to get out that vote, as I think professionals are also aware that if the blacks and Hispanics do not come out in record numbers, and vote as they did in 2012, it will not pan out so well.

Another thing to look out for. The crowds with Bernie Sanders may, and that is a big may, convince him he has a following that suggests a 3rd party run, especially on the socialist party. That would further inroad on Ms. Clinton.

The Bernie Sanders third party split is what the Republicans are hoping for. That is why the Republicans are putting up all the chatter they can at this point. You will recall the chatter from Republican forum members a month or two ago trying to push for O'Malley. Same thing.

Even though I identify as Socialist/Progressive myself, a political ticket with either of those party names would drive voters away. Same way with Independent.

Nope, you will see that the demographics are all favoring Mrs. Clinton and a Democratic victory.

Clinton is a well documented liar. Her history as Secretary of State suggests incompetence as a core quality. She has no management experience. Can she be elected? Sure, as she will run on the typical democratic platform of fear mongering and class envy. The story sells among the uninformed. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Guest

This is just the same old ultra-conservative hash that is rehashed one more time. There is no need for moral outrage because there is no wrong doing. Admit it, the conservatives are terrified of Mrs. Clinton because she is a strong and competent woman. She is a smart person and is heads and shoulders above ANY Republican candidate.

Once again, remember the demographics of the Democratic Party and of the Republican Party. The demographics are totally in place for Mrs. Clinton to win the presidency. Can you dispute that? NO, you cannot.

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The Bernie Sanders third party split is what the Republicans are hoping for. That is why the Republicans are putting up all the chatter they can at this point. You will recall the chatter from Republican forum members a month or two ago trying to push for O'Malley. Same thing.

Even though I identify as Socialist/Progressive myself, a political ticket with either of those party names would drive voters away. Same way with Independent.

Nope, you will see that the demographics are all favoring Mrs. Clinton and a Democratic victory.

Does this mean you and all the other demographics you suggest will automatically fall her way just do not care about the credibility and honesty issues that abound for Clinton.

And please do not try to state they are all opposition lies because unlike your position on the demographics there are more and more democrats questioning her character.

Originally Posted by Guest

Relative to the demographics that you mention. President Obama received 93% of the African American vote, which based on turnout figures equates to a lot of votes. There were about 2 million EXTRA BLACK VOTERS in 2012, and assumption is that was because of President Obama. President Obama won by 5 million.

She will need that turnout PLUS need to carry that same percentage to maintain the plurality advantage.

Same thing applies to the Hispanic vote. 71% of the over 11 million who voted were voting for Obama. That is another approx 8 million votes, so unless she is able to duplicate or increase the black turnout and margin as well as the Hispanic turnout and margin, I really do not see the demographic advantage you speak of. Fact is,without the dramatic increase in the black and Hispanic vote, President Obama does not win.

And perhaps it is nothing but rehash on her many many clouds. Time will tell, and time is one thing there is an abundance of in the 2016 cycle.

To speak on a more positive vein relative to your hopes I see where George Soros is throwing a few more million out ther to get out that vote, as I think professionals are also aware that if the blacks and Hispanics do not come out in record numbers, and vote as they did in 2012, it will not pan out so well.

Another thing to look out for. The crowds with Bernie Sanders may, and that is a big may, convince him he has a following that suggests a 3rd party run, especially on the socialist party. That would further inroad on Ms. Clinton.

You carefully omitted the women's vote which Obama won by 20 points. How much more or less of the women's vote will go to Hillary Clinton, and what is there in the republican platform that would appeal to any woman?

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You carefully omitted the women's vote which Obama won by 20 points. How much more or less of the women's vote will go to Hillary Clinton, and what is there in the republican platform that would appeal to any woman?

Are you saying that the same percentage of women will automatically fall to Clinton given the uncertainty and questions of integrity and honesty. Does this imply that the democratic women don't care about integrity, honesty and qualification as long as the she is a democrat?

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The Bernie Sanders third party split is what the Republicans are hoping for. That is why the Republicans are putting up all the chatter they can at this point. You will recall the chatter from Republican forum members a month or two ago trying to push for O'Malley. Same thing.

Even though I identify as Socialist/Progressive myself, a political ticket with either of those party names would drive voters away. Same way with Independent.

Nope, you will see that the demographics are all favoring Mrs. Clinton and a Democratic victory.

Two things in response to this post.

1. You give TOTV quite a bit of credence if you are citing "chatter" from this forum as any kind of indicator.

2. See you in Nov 2016. Lots of time, scandals and revelations to come on both sides I fear. And as I said earlier, maybe but cannot see the turnout from blacks especially for Ms Clinton.

3. The Sanders comment was mine and mine alone. Never read it or heard it. AND it only became a thought when I saw the crowds he was getting. Either the Democrats do not want Hillary in those numbers or he is a viable candidate as a third party.

Originally Posted by Guest

This is just the same old ultra-conservative hash that is rehashed one more time. There is no need for moral outrage because there is no wrong doing. Admit it, the conservatives are terrified of Mrs. Clinton because she is a strong and competent woman. She is a smart person and is heads and shoulders above ANY Republican candidate.

Once again, remember the demographics of the Democratic Party and of the Republican Party. The demographics are totally in place for Mrs. Clinton to win the presidency. Can you dispute that? NO, you cannot.

This is a classic alinsky tactic used by progressives and since they dominate the the media in print the digital world and Hollywood they can smother just about anything.

This tactic is old and its use is dangerous because its a cancer that's eating away at the very fabric of this nation. America needs to get back on the moral imperative path

People like this above-stated poster do not have the prescience to see how it hurts us all otherwise why would one be celebrating their own demise?

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In my view Bernie Sanders is getting a lot of attention to make it look like the democrats are open to other candidates but they are not. clinton has only one major factor in her favor "name recognition Admitting her Name recognition as an asset is for me to say painful but factually most voters can't get past name because they are either stupid or lazy.

In 2008 it was so readily apparent that Obama based on his lack of bona fides and radical associations was going to be a disaster. But the strategically placed progressives sought vindication for their affirmative action policies and what better way then elect a black president. So adamant were they to be right that they angle the truth re-write history, crowning Obama with all types of false accolades They continue to play that old alinksy game of passing air and then pointing to the Republicans.

Hillary Clinton also has no real bona fides is clearly manipulative untrustworthy also has bad associations but the progressives want a woman president and they will go to any lengths to get her elected.

If they win its a continuation of the radical left who have no idea how to lead

This nation is unraveling but progressives are covering up important breaches such as the hacking of OPM a major hit 10 times more damage than snowden traitorous acts. By the way Holder is working a deal to get that traitor Snowden back. Wanna bet we have another Bergdahl deal going down They ignore the unresponsive economy, decrease in defense, damaging foreign policy and so on and so on

All I can say is this is the sleaziest administration ever to have represented this country and I include Clinton's participation to fostering our decline

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Originally Posted by Guest

In my view Bernie Sanders is getting a lot of attention to make it look like the democrats are open to other candidates but they are not. clinton has only one major factor in her favor "name recognition Admitting her Name recognition as an asset is for me to say painful but factually most voters can't get past name because they are either stupid or lazy.

In 2008 it was so readily apparent that Obama based on his lack of bona fides and radical associations was going to be a disaster. But the strategically placed progressives sought vindication for their affirmative action policies and what better way then elect a black president.

the progressives want a woman president and they will go to any lengths to get her elected.

If they win its a continuation of the radical left who have no idea how to lead


All I can say is this is the sleaziest administration ever to have represented this country and I include Clinton's participation to fostering our decline

Good for you.