I didn't hear you scream cologal. But you know what even if Alan Jackson's song was political, which I don't think it was, Alan Jackson is free to speak his mind. He can say what he wants to say ... he shouldn't have his feelings hurt just because some people don't want to buy his records when he speaks out ... Freedom is a two-way street ... I don't really care what Alan Jackson said. I want to do what I think is right for America, and if some singers or Hollywood stars feel like speaking out, that's fine. That's the great thing about America. It stands in stark contrast to the way Iraq was.

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Why are we spending all this time on a subject that has nothing to do with today and what Obama is doing to us.

So the liberals on this thread are convinced, without facts on there side, that Bush is a liar. Let's leave them in there mire and talk about the future.

You are absolutely right about his right to say what he wants to say. If Barbra Streisand wants to say something that also is her right. I just thought the song was way over politicized.

Cashman,the facts have been presented to you as far as I can tell 8 times from many different sources. Because you choose to ignore them does not mean they are not facts. The facts say Bush lied period.

Actually; it's only interpretation and suppositions and opinions that say "Bush Lied". You haven't proved your point no matter how many times you jump up and down.

Actually when I said in an above post: "Alan Jackson is free to speak his mind. He can say what he wants to say ... he shouldn't have his feelings hurt just because some people don't want to buy his records when he speaks out ... Freedom is a two-way street ... I don't really care what Alan Jackson said. I want to do what I think is right for America, and if some singers or Hollywood stars feel like speaking out, that's fine. That's the great thing about America. It stands in stark contrast to the way Iraq was... "

....I plagiarized and took the liberty of adding Jackson's name, masculine pronouns and the past tense "was" at the very end of the exact quote Bush made when he was asked what he thought about the comments Dixie Chick Natalie Maines said about him following 9/11.

Just good to know that cologal agreed with Bush on something.

They" are under orders to distract us from what is going on.

Yoda

Why don't all you "we're losing our country" people sign off here and go listen to some more to Beck, Savage, et al to get your fix and increase your anger.
Methinks you are allowing yourself to be manipulated and sold a bill of goods -- and a ton of their books. They are, deep down, good self-promoters who add nothing to true dialogue. They are selling books and ads on their shows...and those programs truly are shows. These self-serving, self-promoting clowns are not new...remember Father Coughlin and Joe McCarthy? They, too, cared more about themselves than their country.
We have real issues and real opportunities to be part of the growth and development of this nation. Let's look to real leaders (today's or tomorrow's) and not allow ourselves to be sidetracked by the charlatan naysayers. Let's do some positive things, express some positive ideas rather than whine in unison with (expletive deleted!) selfish horn-blowers who will never put their names on the line and run for office...putting their money where their mouths are.
They are part of the problem.

I would ask you to come on here and explain what this President and congress have done that is so postiive ? PLEASE

By the way, your assumption and it is a HUGE assumption of listening to those you mentioned shared by many of this Presidents supporters who lump anyone who opposes him into one simple little chute is as simple as those on the right who felt that Olberman and his ilk who defamed Bush nightly on a personal basis was the listening post for all those on the left.

I base my opinions , and have shared them on here since before this man was even a candidate on his background, lack of ANY experience, his associatees, etc and NOTHING..not one thing has he done that is not in accordance with my thoughts during the primary !~


I just want to add that I have asked those who come on here in support of this President to come back and tell everyone the positive things he has done and NOT ONE has responded....most talk about Bush

I think we have made some progress -- limited, far from perfect -- on making health insurance available to more people and eliminated the pre-existing condition block; started to have some regulation of the crazy, incestuous Wall Street nonsense where the rating companies are paid by the investment firms to 'affirm' the alleged value of the investments and then tell investors that the rating agencies gave them an A-plus; and finally blowing apart the Mineral & Minings Service division of the Interior Department that has been -- literally and figuratively -- in bed with the coal and oil industry. MMS was set up to monitor and safeguard oil and coal exploration. It has been a flop...under several administrations...including this one.
I have no preference for any of the various cable channel pundits or either political party or any columnist. I care only for the nation and reasonable discussion of possibilities.
And I hope that we can all distinguish between real ideas and self-serving BS that seeks only to divide the nation and sell books.
I seek solutions, not predictable talking point, canned nonsense.
Please join me in a dialogue...one that is for the nation's good with no commercial gain for anyone.
What say you?

1. YOU mentioned Beck and Savage...NOT ME. I cannot recall ever quoting any of these folks and I mentioned those I mentioned to show how foolish your statement was.

2. In regards to the insuring of uninsured, do you realize what he swapped for that simple political gain, which by the way was not and is not wanted by the american public ?

3. I support more regulation of Wall St so we agree.

4. I just want to tell you that you may post here anytime on any subject as many have asked for supporters of the President to do just that but all we hear is about Bush for the most part !

Tomorrow, time permitting perhaps we can continue on actual issues without talking about pretty speeches or pre conceived notions and talk about FACTS and what is really happening !

I say that I would enjoy discussing current events and "politics" with you saratogaman. Like Bucco, I have never used Beck or Savage or whoever it is you are talking about selling books or being self-serving as a source. But my (which means nothing on this forum - I don't make the rules) one requirement; unless it is your opinion, which I have no problem whatsoever with, please give me a source for information that is presented as fact.

Like you, I think I'm smart enough to decide between BS and truth. Start a discussion or join in with any of the other posts we have all contributed to here on TOTV political. I find it frustrating at times, enlightening at times and an opportunity to delve deeper into my own learning experience. Which, by the way, this is to me.

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I thought you were just wasting everyone's time preaching the LIBERAL spin, but it appears you are completely, tho falsley, convinced that Bush, Kerry, both Clintons, Powell and every other leader in the world lied about the WMD"s. That is serious stuff. You have my sympathy.