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Guest 07-03-2015 04:30 PM

My husband, a former Marine, was appalled to see that rainbow flag raised the way it was and I too am disgusted by the youth of America and their lack of respect. This country is heading downward quickly and soon the real men will be dying off and good luck to those flying the rainbow flag when Isis is coming for all of you. Sometimes these days I'm ashamed to be an American. Americans are so dumb sometimes as exhibited in the video. There is a difference between right and wrong and dishonoring our men who served is a disgrace and that is the Truth no matter how you libs try to spin it. I am sick of PC.

Guest 07-03-2015 05:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082089)
My husband, a former Marine, was appalled to see that rainbow flag raised the way it was and I too am disgusted by the youth of America and their lack of respect. This country is heading downward quickly and soon the real men will be dying off and good luck to those flying the rainbow flag when Isis is coming for all of you. Sometimes these days I'm ashamed to be an American. Americans are so dumb sometimes as exhibited in the video. There is a difference between right and wrong and dishonoring our men who served is a disgrace and that is the Truth no matter how you libs try to spin it. I am sick of PC.


But, even though you are disgusted to see the Rainbow Flag that way, you agree that the people do have that right guaranteed to them by the First Amendment of the Constitution?

Guest 07-03-2015 05:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082110)
But, even though you are disgusted to see the Rainbow Flag that way, you agree that the people do have that right guaranteed to them by the First Amendment of the Constitution?

May I ask what is your point ?

NOBODY AT ANYTIME ever questioned this right, yet you continue to want to make it ....actually I have no idea of your intent.

The thread subject, you just ignore. What is your point. Nobody is trying to say any more than the depiction makes the point of the thread.

What is it that you are trying to do ?

Guest 07-04-2015 07:07 AM

the partism guidelines do not allow for anything other than parroting points presented.
As a result if one asks them a question that goes outside the lines presented.....sort of like pulling the string in the neck of some dolls.

How very sad to be so limited.....or to have to act so limited if there is a thinking person being confined!

Guest 07-04-2015 07:19 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082112)
May I ask what is your point ?

NOBODY AT ANYTIME ever questioned this right, yet you continue to want to make it ....actually I have no idea of your intent.

The thread subject, you just ignore. What is your point. Nobody is trying to say any more than the depiction makes the point of the thread.

What is it that you are trying to do ?

The point being that young Americans do know the meaning of Indepence Day. The First Amendment is one of the freedoms fought for and they are expressing that freedom in their own way.

Is it really that important that people remember WHO we separated from or WHY we separated from that country?

I believe that every school does have a chapter in their history book about the American Revolution. Whether or not it is remembered is a different story. Even if the schools do not cover it well, parents should make sure their kids know all about it. Do you believe your children have passed those lessons to your grandkids?

Anyhow, have a wonderful Independence Day and celebrate (safely) the American spirit!

Guest 07-04-2015 08:10 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082250)
The point being that young Americans do know the meaning of Indepence Day. The First Amendment is one of the freedoms fought for and they are expressing that freedom in their own way.

Is it really that important that people remember WHO we separated from or WHY we separated from that country?

I believe that every school does have a chapter in their history book about the American Revolution. Whether or not it is remembered is a different story. Even if the schools do not cover it well, parents should make sure their kids know all about it. Do you believe your children have passed those lessons to your grandkids?

Anyhow, have a wonderful Independence Day and celebrate (safely) the American spirit!

So, your point is that everyone should ignore the OPs question, and wait for YOU to tell us the true meaning of the thread ?

Guest 07-04-2015 12:47 PM

To the point: it's day off, get to shoot firecrackers, get drunk, and go to the beach, other than that the little bast$$$$ don't have clue! They damn sure not learning it in the progressive liberal teachings in public school which is gaint sinkhole for money with little improvements.:bowdown::beer3:

Guest 07-04-2015 04:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082282)
So, your point is that everyone should ignore the OPs question, and wait for YOU to tell us the true meaning of the thread ?

You got that one right on the first try!

Have a great Independence Day. Remember the troops on active duty as well as honoring all veterans! We owe them a lot!

Semper Fi

Guest 07-04-2015 05:19 PM

Actually many young Americans know more about our history than a lot of adults in their 30's and 40's...unfortunately many people think that the young that are shown on tv, in the papers and on the computer are a large representation of how most of them are....they aren't...thank God..

Guest 07-04-2015 05:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082487)
Actually many young Americans know more about our history than a lot of adults in their 30's and 40's...unfortunately many people think that the young that are shown on tv, in the papers and on the computer are a large representation of how most of them are....they aren't...thank God..

First I disagree that young people know of our history.

Second, the thought of the OP was not about knowing but what this holiday means, or any truely American holiday.

IF they knew how people suffered so the young folks could do what they want today, they would not mock God fearing Americans who do understand.

You do not need to believe in God to respect others right to believe, And KNOWING what happened does not automatically mean you understand the meaning.

I do agree that they are misrepresented by media, as are a lot of groups.

They are our future, so hopefully they will get it...I never meant that ALL young people fit into lack of understanding. They are going in the wrong direction however, and they need us to show and explain instead of yelling at each other.

Being patriotic today is considered to be a symptom of old age, and that is a shame.

Guest 07-04-2015 06:34 PM

For what it might be worth, I offer this...

"For 14 percent of U.S. teens, the Fourth of July will mark the historic day we declared independence from France.

Another 5 percent think we rose up against the tyrannous Canadians on July 4, 1776.

That's according to a new study, which finds a sizable percentage of high school-age Americans don't really know what all the fuss is about today. More than a fifth of the survey respondents didn't know which country we declared our independence from, including 14 percent who thought it was France, not Britain.

The survey reported that 15 percent of U.S. teens didn't know the Declaration of Independence was adopted on July 4, 1776. Nine percent thought we ratified the Constitution that day. (That didn't happen for another 13 years.)"


Poll: Many Teens Don't Know July 4 History - ABC News

I do not think it is a huge deal, although it is a bit disconcerting to me but what bothers me is that they cannot possibly understand the thought and the principles that went into the document we celebrate today (most of us know it was not signed on July 4) and what that freedom meant to those folks.

Growing up with the constraints of World War 2, my parents insured that on this day, we were made aware of what we were fighting for. There was gas rationing and basically no tires to buy if you had a car so you did not go on an outing in the sense we know today.

I think we all have read or heard the words of John Adams as he spoke in support of signing this declaration and my Dad read them to me...i studied them in school and in college and they still ring true to me....

"If it be the pleasure of Heaven that my country shall require the poor offering of my life, the victim shall be ready at the appointed hour of sacrifice, come when that hour may. But while I do live, let me have a country, or at least the hope of a country, and that a free country.

But whatever may be our fate, be assured, be assured that this Declaration will stand. It may cost treasure, and it may cost blood, but it will stand and it will richly compensate for both.

Through the thick gloom of the present, I see the brightness of the future as the sun in heaven. We shall make this a glorious, an immortal day. When we are in our graves, our children will honor it. They will celebrate it with thanksgiving, with festivity, with bonfires, and illuminations."

Guest 07-04-2015 07:35 PM

I've been giving this issue a lot of thought. I think there is a lot of truth in the belief that many Americans are ignorant of American history in general and the facts surrounding our origins in particular. I'm not convinced it's anything new but it is more true today than it was a generation or two ago.

I consider myself lucky in that I raised two sons who understand completely the meaning of our independence. For one thing, I was a career soldier and respect for the country and knowledge of our history was regularly taught at home. Furthermore, my wife was an immigrant who embraced American culture and history completely. She helped our sons study American history because it helped her to better understand our country.

My sons also spent most of their primary school years in Department of Defense Schools and I think there was probably more emphasis on American history in that environment than there probably was in stateside schools.

I remember having a conversation with another dad when my sons were in high school. He also lamented the fact that young kids didn't understand American history. I suggested that maybe if all kids had the opportunity to serve in the military, they might have a better understanding of where we came from. He basically said that he didn't want his kids to spend a useless couple of years in the military because it would put them behind their peers when they began their "real" careers.

My older son served in Iraq for several years before he resigned his commission. My younger son serves today on the front lines against ISIS. I imagine, when they have children of their own, that they'll teach them a little about the meaning of America.

Guest 07-04-2015 08:49 PM

Thanks to your sons for serving and to you for teaching them patriotism

Guest 07-04-2015 09:56 PM

And one more thing...patriotism isn't so much about what you know about what happened 239 years ago but rather about how you know how to apply those principles today.

I'm proud of how today's youth have been working to extend rights to people who have been heretofore denied the God-given rights that were expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

I'm a little ashamed that our generations were so reluctant to recognize that those rights applied to our fellow human beings.

Guest 07-04-2015 11:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1082526)
I've been giving this issue a lot of thought. I think there is a lot of truth in the belief that many Americans are ignorant of American history in general and the facts surrounding our origins in particular. I'm not convinced it's anything new but it is more true today than it was a generation or two ago.

I consider myself lucky in that I raised two sons who understand completely the meaning of our independence. For one thing, I was a career soldier and respect for the country and knowledge of our history was regularly taught at home. Furthermore, my wife was an immigrant who embraced American culture and history completely. She helped our sons study American history because it helped her to better understand our country.

My sons also spent most of their primary school years in Department of Defense Schools and I think there was probably more emphasis on American history in that environment than there probably was in stateside schools.

I remember having a conversation with another dad when my sons were in high school. He also lamented the fact that young kids didn't understand American history. I suggested that maybe if all kids had the opportunity to serve in the military, they might have a better understanding of where we came from. He basically said that he didn't want his kids to spend a useless couple of years in the military because it would put them behind their peers when they began their "real" careers.

My older son served in Iraq for several years before he resigned his commission. My younger son serves today on the front lines against ISIS. I imagine, when they have children of their own, that they'll teach them a little about the meaning of America.

Thank you and your sons for your service. You must be a very proud father and your sons were blessed to have you and your wife as parents.


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