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Old 08-24-2016, 04:33 PM
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I'm interested in the source of your information that it is 'purely' a cost cutting move. I've been here 10 years and there have been winters in the past that they've not over seeded the fairways due to lack of rain. But when there is sufficient rainfall in the summer, they have always over seeded the fairways. Within the annual budget, how big an expense do you think overseeding is as a percentage of expenses?

7" deficit is significant due the water restrictions they have to deal with. Are you aware that below 466, there is a single allocation of water that has to cover everything, homes, common areas, recreation centers, and golf courses? The more those other places use, the less is available for the courses. They have to rely on the retention ponds and recycled water to supplement their allocation. Less rain-lower pond levels-less golf course water.
I too look forward to hear the source of this statement.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:07 PM
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If they are trying to save money, why not just require all the players to join a championship member advantage plan?
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:14 PM
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Take a look at the newly refurbished Bonita Pass Course. They built two hills at the end of Hole 1. Cant figure out if they planted grass or weeds on the hill...eyesore.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:32 PM
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If they are trying to save money, why not just require all the players to join a championship member advantage plan?
Because you would be restricted as to your choice of specialty shots????
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:48 PM
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Take a look at the newly refurbished Bonita Pass Course. They built two hills at the end of Hole 1. Cant figure out if they planted grass or weeds on the hill...eyesore.
The course is still closed, so noone should be on it for any reason.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:54 PM
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I have been around and worked on golf courses both north and south for the better part of 62 years. The Director is doing as well as he can given what he has to work with. My comments were not criticizing the Director, just clarifying the fact that the courses will look worse and the fairways play worse than if proper overseeding was done. This is purely a cost savings move and it should be stated rather than skirting the issue. They want to spend less on maintaining the championship tracks. That is the mandate. Don't sugar coat by telling us they are trying to be good stewards of our resources or that it will look better in the long run by doing this
I have to ask what being around and "worked on" golf courses for the better part of 62 years mean?
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:04 PM
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It means that I have done everything from laying sod to digging out traps, to cutting fairways and greens to teaching at both private and public courses. Moving a bit off topic. I am saying that it is more than likely the costs associated with overseeding that are pushing this forward. Someone asked about the actual cost and while I cant tell you what the maintenance team would be paying I can give you a rough idea of the requirement. The average course would utilize approx. 500 lb per acre to overseed. A few years ago the cost would be in the $125k-$225k per 18 hole course to overseed. Certainly The Villages has some economies of scale relative to their buying power but the cost is not insignificant.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:42 PM
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It means that I have done everything from laying sod to digging out traps, to cutting fairways and greens to teaching at both private and public courses. Moving a bit off topic. I am saying that it is more than likely the costs associated with overseeding that are pushing this forward. Someone asked about the actual cost and while I cant tell you what the maintenance team would be paying I can give you a rough idea of the requirement. The average course would utilize approx. 500 lb per acre to overseed. A few years ago the cost would be in the $125k-$225k per 18 hole course to overseed. Certainly The Villages has some economies of scale relative to their buying power but the cost is not insignificant.
So, the question is what makes this season different from the past. Play has been good. Year over year, play has increased. One can assume revenue has not decreased to an extent that it makes overseeding impossibly expensive compared to last year. So, what has changed? Rain.

I don't think the developer who has done so much right in marketing this place would intentionally cause the golf courses, that are such an integral part of the appeal, to look less than their best during the high season unless it was out of his control. And nothing related to money is out of their control. But Mother Nature is.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:49 PM
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Taking the lower number and using round numbers we are talking just north of two million dollars to overseed The Villiages Championship golf courses. That is a significant amount of money.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:56 PM
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I read with interest Rickey Craig, the new Director of golf Maintenance's article about their plans to "adjust" overseed strategies for the upcoming season. While pointing to the lack of rain, the message was clear about the overseed strategies for this fall and winter. Bottom line is that the greens and tees only will be overseeded. While not a huge deal for the Executive Courses, it will have a significant impact on the look and aesthetics of the Championship Courses. They can say what they want about raising the height of the cut on the fairways and pigments to help support Bermuda grass, history says you wont be pleased with the result. Are the plans in place to reduce the fall/ winter bump in daily fees to accompany this? Probably not. I have witnessed many courses where this was done in the "interest of being a good steward of our resources" the bottom line is the paring back of expenses. Very disappointing
I too read the article and came away with a somewhat different take on what Mr. Craig said. He did indeed cite the lack of rain we've all experienced first hand this season but he also referenced the impact the lack of rain has on water resources influencing his decision. That said, he did leave the option that if we suddenly received a lot of rain the over-seed decisions could be revisited. I would love to see our golf courses be a vibrant green from tee-to-green but Mother Nature is not cooperating thus compromises are necessary. Let's just hope that Mother Nature doesn't make this last summer our new norm.
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