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Old 09-23-2017, 10:51 AM
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Guess you don't count the historical side, imo the main reason there not open is some has to drive within 3 feet of they're golf ball and their safety is at risk cause they can't comprehend STAY WAY from the FLOODED AREA!
I can not comment on the historical side, unlike some people here I don,t comment on what I have not seen. I have heard some of the courses got hit really bad. They, the courses, are working very hard to open all when SAFE and ready.

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Old 09-23-2017, 12:55 PM
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Friday, September 22, 2017 - 12:00 PM

Over the past 2 weeks, the main focus has been to lower the levels of the water storage basins on the golf courses and throughout the community for your overall safety. This has been primarily accomplished by irrigating the golf courses and roadways. The good news is the golf courses performed exactly as designed and engineered by protecting the community from the large volumes of water received from Hurricane Irma.

We are pleased to announce that as of next Wednesday, September 27th we will be opening the following golf courses. As of noon today, you will be able to make a request for these courses in the tee time system for next Wednesday, Thursday, & Friday.

Executive courses: Pimlico, Churchill Greens, Belmont, Bogart, Bacall, Redfish Run, Tarpon Boil, Yankee Clipper, Southern Star, Walnut Grove, Briarwood, De La Vista, Chula Vista, Saddlebrook and Hawkes Bay.

Championship courses: Palmer Legends all 27 holes, Cane Garden all 27 holes, Lopez Legacy 18 holes (Torri Pines and Erinn Glenn), Havana 18 holes (Kenya and Hemingway), Tierra De Sol, Glenview Champions 13 holes (Stirrup Cup and Talley Ho 1-3 & 9) and Mallory Hill 18 holes (Amelia and Virginia).

While we are able to open these courses Wednesday, many areas of the community still have very high water levels and the courses will be needed to continue to lower the basin levels. We will open them as soon as the water levels have returned to normal and the courses are both safe and playable.

Keep in mind, upon re-opening, the courses will be safe and playable. However, in some cases they have sustained significant damage in some areas and are very wet from not only the storm, but the large amount of irrigation they have received in lowering the basins. Please be patient as we continue to work on returning our community’s golf courses to their normal condition.

Please check daily the Daily Sun, GolftheVillages.com, Districtgov.org , VNN or listen to WVLG for updates on reopening of more golf courses.
Is there any reason why the ponds on the golf courses and elsewhere in The Villages are not being dredged out so that they'll hold more water when we have an abundance of rain? It seems that we go from overflowing ponds to drought conditions in the winter.

Dredging the ponds would allow them to hold water and eliminate the need to close golf courses so that excess water can be expelled through the sprinkler system when the ponds get too full and also more water would be stored for the winter when water gets low.
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:10 PM
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Is there any reason why the ponds on the golf courses and elsewhere in The Villages are not being dredged out so that they'll hold more water when we have an abundance of rain? It seems that we go from overflowing ponds to drought conditions in the winter.

Dredging the ponds would allow them to hold water and eliminate the need to close golf courses so that excess water can be expelled through the sprinkler system when the ponds get too full and also more water would be stored for the winter when water gets low.
Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:17 PM
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Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.
Plus there is a high water table here.....but I'm not an engineer. It's nice to know the folks that designed the courses and the flood plan knew what they were doing. If you are having golf withdrawal there are courses you can play outside the bubble. I'd rather give up a few weeks of golf then put carts out there too early.....and as stated before, listen to the complaining about conditions that will surely come.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:27 PM
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Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.
Yep.

I also can't help but wonder, if the relatively high water table would even allow an increase (regardless of how deep the ponds were)...in how much 'runoff' the ponds could hold.






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Old 09-23-2017, 03:12 PM
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Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.
Not that I've ever seen. I've seen several of these ponds go bone dry in the winter time and I've never seen a liner in them.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:19 PM
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Not that I've ever seen. I've seen several of these ponds go bone dry in the winter time and I've never seen a liner in them.
Probably because of the settlement on the bottom is several inches thick.......
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:29 PM
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Plus there is a high water table here.....but I'm not an engineer. It's nice to know the folks that designed the courses and the flood plan knew what they were doing. If you are having golf withdrawal there are courses you can play outside the bubble. I'd rather give up a few weeks of golf then put carts out there too early.....and as stated before, listen to the complaining about conditions that will surely come.
How high is the water table? Paradise Pond is close to a million square feet. If it dredged out one more foot deep it would hold a tremendous amount more. Even six more inches down would prevent having that cart pat closed in an event like we just had. I honestly don't think the water table has anything to do with it.

As far as withdrawal from golf goes, we pay for golf in our amenity fees. If the golf courses are closed when they possibly could be open, we are paying for something that we're not getting. Can we expect to see a rebate in our amenity fees next month for two weeks that we were unable to take advantage of what we pay for?

Will The Villages pick up the green fees for any rounds that I play outside while these courses are closed?

We had a CAT 1 hurricane go through here which did some minor damage. It is certainly understandable that the golf courses would be closed during the storm and perhaps a day or two afterward for cleanup. But the fact that the ponds were not able to hold the amount of water we got tells me that they are not designed properly.

Hurricanes and heavy rainfall during the summer months should be expected here and should be planned for. It seems that in the five-plus years that I've been here I've seen the ponds overflowing during some summers and bone dry in some of the winters. What I'm asking is if dredging these water retention areas out by a foot or so would solve this problem. Would we be able to retain more of the water that we get in the summer so we have enough for the golf courses in the winter? How many times have we heard that the courses are in bad shape because we don't have enough water? When we do have water, we throw it away instead of saving it for the dry periods.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:35 PM
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I have watched my own retention pond with much interest. It appears to have a liner. It also has a weir. Before Irma, the water was 4 feet below the weir. I watched the water level rise during Irma, with much interest, until the water level reached the level of the weir and then it stops as water flowed into the weir and then into another retention pond that was significantly lower. All of the houses were above this level. Several days later, I noticed a contractor standing on the edge of the weir with long pole. He was apparently opening up a valve at the bottom of the weir which allowed water to flow into the other retention pond until we were back to pre-storm levels - about 4 feet below the level of the weir. The valve appears to be closed now. Needless to say, I am pretty impressed by the infrastructure to manage water during what was essentially a 100 year event.

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Probably because of the settlement on the bottom is several inches thick.......

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Old 09-23-2017, 03:49 PM
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Probably because of the settlement on the bottom is several inches thick.......
Agree. We had this up north. Even have it at a dog park with ponds in Inverness. Silt and sand filter to the bottom, and you don't see the liner.

I am not a gung-ho, Developer-is-never-wrong person, but I am so impressed with the way they designed the golf courses and how it protects our homes from flooding.

And so is my DIL, the Ph.D. in land management.
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