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Old 06-17-2018, 07:42 PM
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I played with some people last week and we were talking about the bad conditions of the courses in The Villages. One woman told me that Glenview is in perfect shape. So as Father's Day gift to myself, I played eighteen on Stirrup Cup and Tally Ho.

First of all, I arrived at the course an hour an fifteen minutes early to check in, chip and put and hit some balls at the range. I went down to the starter's booth ten minutes before my tee time and was told that my group was "long gone". I told the starter that I was one the putting green and that I was ten minutes early. He said that he called down to make an announcement to call me to the tee. I said that I never heard anything and repeated that I'm ten minutes early. He says to me, "Well, I'm running ten minutes ahead." This has happened to me before in The Villages and I don't know if it's policy or that some starters are just idiots. I worked in the golf business for 35 years. I hired starters and if one of them ever did that to someone I would have fired them.

So I get paired up with this nice guy who was only playing nine holes. I had to rush up the ninth in order to catch my original group for the back nine.

Needless to say, my Father's Day started off on a bad note.

The woman who told me that Glenview is in perfect shape has evidently never been on a golf course in good shape. First of all, I spent fifteen minutes on the practice green to get a feel for the speed. Unfortunately, and this seems to be of The Villages Golf Courses, the practice putting green was nothing like the greens on the golf course. I don't understand how this happens. You have 28 or 29 greens to take care of. They should all be the same. The greens on most of the courses that I've played are very different than the practice green on that course.

The greens were extremely slow and many had big bare patches. Most were very bumpy and some areas were not mowed. The bunkers had not been raked. On the first hole, I was in a bunker and was in a hole. At first, I thought it was a footprint but then I realized that it was simply that the bunker had not been raked properly or at all.

As I was walking into the bunker I noticed that the cape of grass protruding into it was basically all weeds.

The fairways were decent, but many of the tees were very sparse and some were dirt.

Another thing I was talking to a good player about is that The
Villages designed courses to look nice, but they don't care about how they play. Many courses have trees planted where they shouldn't be and many have bunkers that are completely out of play. Those bunkers are placed so that they look nice from the street or the squares.

There is no excuse for these conditions. All Florida courses get a lot of play in the winter. They charge high fees and don't give value for the money for your dollars. What surprising to me is that The Villages does everything else so well. The flowers planted everywhere, the squares are beautiful, the rec centers, pools, tennis courts and everything else are maintained to perfection. I don't know why they don't seem to care about golf which is a huge reason that a lot of people move here.

I'll be looking outside The Villages from now on when I want to play regulation ("championship" is not a proper term for these courses) golf courses.
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:24 PM
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I played with some people last week and we were talking about the bad conditions of the courses in The Villages. One woman told me that Glenview is in perfect shape. So as Father's Day gift to myself, I played eighteen on Stirrup Cup and Tally Ho.

First of all, I arrived at the course an hour an fifteen minutes early to check in, chip and put and hit some balls at the range. I went down to the starter's booth ten minutes before my tee time and was told that my group was "long gone". I told the starter that I was one the putting green and that I was ten minutes early. He said that he called down to make an announcement to call me to the tee. I said that I never heard anything and repeated that I'm ten minutes early. He says to me, "Well, I'm running ten minutes ahead." This has happened to me before in The Villages and I don't know if it's policy or that some starters are just idiots. I worked in the golf business for 35 years. I hired starters and if one of them ever did that to someone I would have fired them.

So I get paired up with this nice guy who was only playing nine holes. I had to rush up the ninth in order to catch my original group for the back nine.

Needless to say, my Father's Day started off on a bad note.

The woman who told me that Glenview is in perfect shape has evidently never been on a golf course in good shape. First of all, I spent fifteen minutes on the practice green to get a feel for the speed. Unfortunately, and this seems to be of The Villages Golf Courses, the practice putting green was nothing like the greens on the golf course. I don't understand how this happens. You have 28 or 29 greens to take care of. They should all be the same. The greens on most of the courses that I've played are very different than the practice green on that course.

The greens were extremely slow and many had big bare patches. Most were very bumpy and some areas were not mowed. The bunkers had not been raked. On the first hole, I was in a bunker and was in a hole. At first, I thought it was a footprint but then I realized that it was simply that the bunker had not been raked properly or at all.

As I was walking into the bunker I noticed that the cape of grass protruding into it was basically all weeds.

The fairways were decent, but many of the tees were very sparse and some were dirt.

Another thing I was talking to a good player about is that The
Villages designed courses to look nice, but they don't care about how they play. Many courses have trees planted where they shouldn't be and many have bunkers that are completely out of play. Those bunkers are placed so that they look nice from the street or the squares.

There is no excuse for these conditions. All Florida courses get a lot of play in the winter. They charge high fees and don't give value for the money for your dollars. What surprising to me is that The Villages does everything else so well. The flowers planted everywhere, the squares are beautiful, the rec centers, pools, tennis courts and everything else are maintained to perfection. I don't know why they don't seem to care about golf which is a huge reason that a lot of people move here.

I'll be looking outside The Villages from now on when I want to play regulation ("championship" is not a proper term for these courses) golf courses.
Were they having speaker problems again? I've been over there practicing on the putting and chipping greens and intermittently the starter would have to go outside the shack and yell for tee time show ups if the speaker didn't work.
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Old 06-18-2018, 05:57 AM
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It sounds like you would be happier if you stayed on the executive courses...as at least they are free.
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Old 06-18-2018, 07:20 AM
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I've always assumed the Morse family doesn't play golf. Or, if they do, then not here.
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Old 06-18-2018, 07:33 AM
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Since 2011 I've played about 250 rounds on the championship courses and haven't run into that problem. What I normally do is immediately after paying and before putting and chipping, go to the starter shack and check in. They write down the cart color and usually I ask, if not told, who I'm playing with if it's not someone I arrived with. Normally the practice green is within eyesight of the starter shack, so it's easier to monitor the coming and going if you're only putting. Most times if you're a single, the starter will want to pair you up with someone in the group if you have three players.

If I were to use the driving range, I would finish up at least 30 minutes before start of play, you did good arriving an hour early. Usually after checking in, let's say it's a 12:44 time and it's now 12:20, the starter might say your behind that group there or something to that effect, or your third from the tee. You can also ask, what group are we following? The main thing is, within 15 minutes of your teetime, stay within eyesight of the starter.

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Old 06-18-2018, 08:00 AM
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Since 2011 I've played about 250 rounds on the championship courses and haven't run into that problem. What I normally do is immediately after paying and before putting and chipping, go to the starter shack and check in. They write down the cart color and usually I ask, if not told, who I'm playing with if it's not someone I arrived with. Normally the practice green is within eyesight of the starter shack, so it's easier to monitor the coming and going if you're only putting. Most times if you're a single, the single will want to pair you up with someone in the group if you have three players.

If I were to use the driving range, I would finish up at least 30 minutes before start of play, you did good arriving an hour early. Usually after checking in, let's say it's a 12:44 time and it's now 12:20, the starter might say your behind that group there or something to that effect, or your third from the tee. You can also ask, what group are we following? The main thing is, within 15 minutes of your teetime, stay within eyesight of the starter.
The putting green at Glenview is not within site of the starter's booth of either Stirrup Cup or Tally Ho. It's another demonstration of how The Villages doesn't know what they're doing when it comes to golf.

The starters actually get a message from the golf shop when you check in and pay. They know that you are on the property. There's no need to go over and tell them that you're there. But it doesn't matter. There is no excuse for sending a group out ten minutes early when one of the players is not there. It happened to me one other time at an executive course. It's an absurd policy. Remember, I arrived at the first tee, ten minutes before my starting time. I'd have no problem if I had been late.

The other thing that's troubling is that there was very little play that day as is the case most of the summer months. There was no reason to send a group ten minutes early. And, if I arrived ten minutes early and my group was already on the first green, they went off at least fifteen, if not twenty minutes early.

It's a case of having a bad policy or starters making up their own rules. I played Mira Mesa last week and arrived 20 minutes before my starting time only to be told that they were running 20 minutes behind. I was then told that the starter was telling everyone to wait until the group in front had teed off on #2 before hitting. I asked the starter about this and he said that it was not policy, but he felt that if you hit once the group in front left the green you'd be waiting on every hole. I asked him if he realized that that was why he was twenty minutes behind. He said yes, but they need to make times 10 minutes apart as opposed to nine minutes apart.

The problem is not that the times are not spaced properly. The problem is that the ambassadors don't do the job of keeping play moving. They never speak to slow groups. There is also the issue of many inexperienced golfers that don't understand rules, etiquette or pace of play. IMHO, EVERYONE who wants to play golf should attend a Good Golf School before being allowed to play. I've been playing for over 50 years. I taught golf, I taught rules and have acted as a rule official for sectional PGA events. I'd be willing to go to the school if it was a requirement.

People need to be educated and ambassadors need to to their job as opposed to being simply water boys.

As I said, the golf courses in The Villages are poorly designed, poorly maintained and poorly managed. They are mostly for show.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:45 AM
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I'm of the opinion all residents of the villages that play golf on villages courses should have the requirement of attending good golf school. If you are willing to play you should know the rules,etiquette and such.
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I've always assumed the Morse family doesn't play golf. Or, if they do, then not here.
I hadn't thought of it from that perspective...but I bet you're correct!
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Doc, Thaanks for telling it like it is. The Morse family and all others concerned should be ashamed of the product they give us. For years the same excuses, and the same results, mediocre golf courses at best. And I don't want tohear about how cheap they are. Theses champ courses are not cheap. Priority members are getting ripped off.
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It's ridiculous how slow some people are. Just crazy. I don't know why they don't try to move that along a bit.
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